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Left emotionally abusive husband, please help

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YogiBear2018 · 30/09/2023 07:30

Please help, I feel so low.

been with my husband for 10 years. Looking back, I now realise the relationship has been emotionally abusive for some time. There were red flags from the start but things have got much worse over the past few years.

He left the military a few years ago and during this time he became very depressed, refused to accept that he was depressed and blamed me instead for how he is feeling. He used to shut himself in his study for days on end without leaving the house and cut all contact with family and friends. He told me he wanted a divorce - I found it so difficult to come to terms with as I knew how depressed he was and was worried about him. His behaviour towards me was very erratic and difficult to understand - he’d tell me he hated me some days but then bring flowers the next day and tell me how amazing I was.

He was offered a very good job in London and his mood quickly improved. we decided to give it another go and moved there together last summer. I fell pregnant just after we moved and suddenly his mood changed again (coincided with stress of new job) and he told me he wanted to separate again. He told me he didn’t want a baby and put pressure on me to order the termination pills online, but then wouldn’t engage in any constructive conversation around what to do. Every time I asked he blew up and said I was putting pressure on him and should understand how stressed he was.

he left me waiting for 14 weeks before deciding whether to go ahead together with the pregnancy. During this time I’d been so unwell with vomiting I’d lost a lot of weight and been hospitalised with a kidney infection as I was too weak to walk out to the shops for food some days and was too delayed collecting my antibiotics because I was so depressed and weak. Throughout my pregnancy he often had angry outbursts and was very verbally abusive (‘I hate you, you’ve ruined my life, I want this baby but wish it wasn’t happening with you, you’ve got the IQ of a slug etc). One time when I was 6 months pregnant I didn’t want to engage in the argument he was trying to start so I pretended to be asleep and he started shoving my shoulder to try and get a reaction.

I had our baby in April and he’s the best thing that ever happened to me. He was born prematurely and was extremely low birthweight (he weighed 3lb). My husband was immediately besotted with him and is now absolutely obsessed with him. Immediately after the birth he was very supportive but then old habits crept in. When our baby was 9 days old we went for coffee and he was criticising everything I did for the baby. I politely said I’m ok, I can handle this, you’re making me feel like you don’t trust me to look after him’. He flew off the handle and said I was being ungrateful because he’d been so supportive, and stormed out of the cafe with the baby in the pram. I ran after them and he punched my coffee out of my hand. He then stormed off and I had to walk home alone dripping in coffee as I couldn’t keep up (I’d had an emergency c section).

when the baby was 6 weeks old he flew off the handle and told me to leave, but that I wasn’t allowed to leave London with the baby and had to go and rent a flat round the corner. I left and went to stay with my mum two hours drive away. He was furious and demanded I returned as I’d ‘kidnapped his child’. I felt so guilty I went back.

sonce then his behaviour has been erratic, he is very hostile toward me and is still regularly verbally abusive. He tells me we must stay together as outcomes for the baby will be disastrous if we don’t. He tells me that if I ever want warmth or affection from him again I have to earn it.

he is now two weeks into his delayed paternity leave and has 6 weeks off. He’s behaving a bit strangely and I feel he knows I want to leave. I Ieft my laptop open when I went out the other day and he went through it. Id been emailing a solicitor I’ve spoken to and had emailed to ask how I could safely leave london and return to my home town two hours away where I still have a job, a house (it’s currently rented out) and family / friends relatively nearby. I’m unsure whether he saw these emails but he willl have looked at the search history and I’d been looking at properties in my hometown too.

A few days ago he was his usual critical and intimidating self, and something inside snapped. He went out with friends for the evening and I packed some essentials and drove me and the baby to our hometown three hours away. Predictably he has gone absolutely ballistic and is demanding I bring the baby back. If I return then my solicitor told me he could take out a prohibited steps order preventing me from leaving London with the baby until it’s been to court which could take up to 12 months, so I’d be stuck there until then. Financially it would be so difficult for me to live in London, and I worry I’d be under his control.

i feel sick. Incredibly guilty that I’ve uprooted my baby from his home and now living out of a bag in a spare room. Incredibly guilty that I’ve denied my husband his paternity leave. Broken from being emotionally ground down for so long.

I feel so depressed and at risk of just returning to London. Please help me.

thanks for listening

OP posts:
Mirabai · 03/10/2023 09:09

YogiBear2018 · 03/10/2023 07:27

Day 5 and feeling horrific. Getting worse not better. Hating living out of a bag. Just want to go home and have some routine for my baby 😰

The sooner you get settled where you are the sooner baby can have some routine. Look forward not back.

And don’t confuse addiction to your ex for things baby needs.

Onthemaintrunkline · 03/10/2023 09:17

Just keep to the forefront of your mind ‘why did I leave’. You left because living with him was absolutely awful. He controlled, insulted, verbally abused you……and you want to go back for more of the same? Just know with a personality like his, the same WILL be dished up to you.
You’ve made the break, and good on you…good on you. You should never tolerate anyone treating you the way he has. Block him, don’t speak or read his coercive messages - all of which are designed to haul you back in. Ignore him completely. If you relent and return he’ll interpret that as weakness. Good luck, it’s not going to be easy, but it’s a whole lot easier than living with someone undermining you, criticizing you and threatening you.

YogiBear2018 · 04/10/2023 07:21

I spoke to him on the phone yesterday. Felt like he was recording. He started off being very nice but then accused me of changing since the baby was born and suggested I have PND / PN psychosis causing me to behave irrationally. Threatened to take out a court order which would force me back to London. Demanded to see ‘his boy’. Refused to accept having a third party present during the visit. Said he was coming on the train today. Phoned the solicitor immediately who advised not to let him come and she’ll write him a letter saying why I’ve left and that we’ll organise sone formal contact asap. Now he’s texting saying he’s confused about why he can’t visit and that he truly believes that the marriage can be saved with marriage counselling or mediation. Don’t know what to believe. What a mess 😓

OP posts:
Loubelle70 · 04/10/2023 07:28

@YogiBear2018 dont believe anything he suggests, its to hoover you back in. You dont want to save the marriage!! Tell him that. Tell him to leave you alone youll sort contact out between solicitor and him. If he doesnt leave you alone contact solicitor for non molestation order.

Redlarge · 04/10/2023 07:30

YogiBear2018 · 04/10/2023 07:21

I spoke to him on the phone yesterday. Felt like he was recording. He started off being very nice but then accused me of changing since the baby was born and suggested I have PND / PN psychosis causing me to behave irrationally. Threatened to take out a court order which would force me back to London. Demanded to see ‘his boy’. Refused to accept having a third party present during the visit. Said he was coming on the train today. Phoned the solicitor immediately who advised not to let him come and she’ll write him a letter saying why I’ve left and that we’ll organise sone formal contact asap. Now he’s texting saying he’s confused about why he can’t visit and that he truly believes that the marriage can be saved with marriage counselling or mediation. Don’t know what to believe. What a mess 😓

Bullying and manipulation. You need to break contact. Say e mail only and on the advice of your solictor.
Tell him its over. You are prioritising the baby and you are taking steps to sort out contact. Tell him mediation is not an option and you wont be discussing it again.
There is no court order he can get to get you to return to london. Its bullshit. Ignore.
Do not engage with any narrative about your mental health. Take control. Stop texting. E mail only.
Do not answer the door to him if he turns up unplanned.

Loubelle70 · 04/10/2023 07:30

@YogiBear2018 also you dont want to be talking on phone with him or texting etc, save any abusive texts emails for proof. Dont rise to his questions and tell him once not to contact you and to go through solicitor

Redlarge · 04/10/2023 07:31

He is not the boss. You are. He doesnt get to threaten and dictate.

Redlarge · 04/10/2023 07:34

Do you have a doctor where you live. Make an appointment and get it documented that you are getting support and had to flee for your safety. That you feel under threat and control. They will help, but more importantly if he tries the 'shes mental' card which he will you have evidence that you reached out for help and medical professionals dont think you are mad, just being abused. They can also provide you with local dv support. And maybe support you in other ways.

Redlarge · 04/10/2023 07:36

Solace womens aid

www.solacewomensaid.org/

HomeTheatreSystem · 04/10/2023 10:20

OP, do you think that it is in your baby's best interests to be in an environment where his father is routinely abusing his mother?

Your DH is USING your baby to exercise control over you. He does not love or care for the baby in the way a normal loving father would. If he did, he would not have done all the horrendous things you've listed.

It is his appalling behaviour that has led to you and the baby not being at home with him, nothing to do with you. Please try very hard to stop putting this selfish controlling and disturbed man front and centre in your lives. Prioritise your baby over his father. Your DH solely is responsible for his actions and their consequences, not you.

Whilst you are waiting to get in touch with Women's Aid, it might help you to read "Why Does He Do that?" by Lundy Bancroft. There's a free PDF version on this site if you search for it (or buy it from Amazon).

Hang in there, and please, whatever the pull of home, for the sake of your baby, absolutely do not go back under any circumstances.

Lavenderosa · 04/10/2023 12:01

You say you don't know what to believe - well you certainly don't want to believe a man who says you have PN psychosis! He's trying to convince you that you're mentally ill in order to control the situation. He will use that 'diagnosis' to claim you're not fit to have the baby with you. Don't trust a word he says - you know he lies and his behaviour is erratic. I don't think you should be speaking him on the phone - he's probably recording you and trying to manipulate you into saying something he can use against you. Don't message him in any way and make all correspondence between you via other people, especially the solicitor. Hang in there and please take expert advice from women's aid and your solicitor.

keffie12 · 04/10/2023 15:30

Why are you still in contact with him? Get all contact through the legal as we have all said before. He is gaslighting, coerciveness and emotionally abusing you, still.

Have you contacted any abuse lines, such as we suggested before. We know its hard but you need more impute than just your legal.

He holds the power over you because you are letting him. Block, ignore and work through the pain. If you don't you won't start to feel better.

YogiBear2018 · 05/10/2023 07:16

Thanks everyone. Your comments are all so helpful and really getting me through this. It’s been a week now. Yes I’ve contacted my local womens aid and they’ve been really helpful. I spoke to the solicitor yesterday and she’s writing a letter to him to basically outline that I’ve left because of his behaviour and we need to sort out child arrangements asap. Need to let him see the baby and might just have to meet him out somewhere and hope to god he doesn’t hop on a train with him - realistically I’d phone the police and it would be a safeguarding issue as he’s a tiny breastfed baby.

Now he’s doing the classic calling me and leaving messages crying and saying he wants our marriage to work. Didn’t think he’d be so predictable.

thought I was sure I wanted to live here but now I’m totally questioning that and missing London 😥

OP posts:
Loubelle70 · 05/10/2023 07:24

@YogiBear2018 well done !! Its the biggest first step to happiness youll ever take. Ive been there. If there was anyway to save this relationship it would have happened before now, he would have facilitated that. We all say what if (eh baby on train) etc, but you have now taken the steps to protect yourself and baby. He knows any sort of taking baby away wont do him any favours in seeing DC other than in a contact centre or if at all.

Don't break. Oc he is crying etc...its all in their arsenal... same old when theyve lost their supply. You know this. Dont be swayed back in, remember how he was before. It wont change. When youre up to it and on your feet theres no reason you cant go to london. ♥️

Mirabai · 05/10/2023 08:51

thought I was sure I wanted to live here but now I’m totally questioning that and missing London

It’s inevitable you’d miss your normal surroundings for a while. If in time, when you have extricated yourself from this relationship and rebuilt your, life you still want to return to London there’s nothing stopping you.

However, my guess is that the missing London is partly missing the addictive hit of this toxic relationship. Like craving cigarettes after you’ve given up.

Mirabai · 05/10/2023 08:53

This is really common in abusive relationships. You have to be very honest with yourself about the toxic hold this guy has over you and very committed to protecting your kid to resist the pull.

AdamRyan · 05/10/2023 09:26

Baby steps.
Maybe write down what you want your ideal life to be like and see what's happening now as moves in the right direction. You can't jump to the ideal straight away.

I spent some time when I split with my ex imagining my ideal home and writing that down - 5 years later I am pretty much there. It was really helpful.

The other thing that helped me was deliberately doing things I knew would have upset my ex (like spending money on some pretty wine glasses) and realising the sky didn't fall in. Every time I drink from those glasses they make me happy. I think doing those things helps to start rewiring your brain and releasing the hold he has on you.

Lavenderosa · 05/10/2023 10:51

"Need to let him see the baby and might just have to meet him out somewhere and hope to god he doesn’t hop on a train with him - realistically I’d phone the police and it would be a safeguarding issue as he’s a tiny breastfed baby."

You shouldn't have to meet him anywhere. Ask for advice from the solicitor and women's aid - I know someone in similar circumstances whose ex only had supervised access at a contact centre. The Mum took the child and waited in another part of the building until the Dad had left.

BlastedPimples · 05/10/2023 11:10

You don't need to let him see the baby unless it's supervised. He's been abusive. Don't risk it.

You're doing amazingly but need to be much steelier about this.

And one day you will go back to London if that's what you want. But for now stay safe.

keffie12 · 05/10/2023 11:45

YogiBear2018 · 05/10/2023 07:16

Thanks everyone. Your comments are all so helpful and really getting me through this. It’s been a week now. Yes I’ve contacted my local womens aid and they’ve been really helpful. I spoke to the solicitor yesterday and she’s writing a letter to him to basically outline that I’ve left because of his behaviour and we need to sort out child arrangements asap. Need to let him see the baby and might just have to meet him out somewhere and hope to god he doesn’t hop on a train with him - realistically I’d phone the police and it would be a safeguarding issue as he’s a tiny breastfed baby.

Now he’s doing the classic calling me and leaving messages crying and saying he wants our marriage to work. Didn’t think he’d be so predictable.

thought I was sure I wanted to live here but now I’m totally questioning that and missing London 😥

You don't need or should be meeting him with your baby. It is unsafe for you to do that. Ring your solicitor and arrange it for a contact centre.

It puts you directly in line for your baby and you to be abused if you meet him. God knows what he will try if you meet him with your baby.

Why the hell would you risk that not just for you but your baby. Why take the risk of him doing something and unsettling/upsetting your baby.

What if he refused to give him to you to feed or the like? Don't say he wouldn't do that cos men like him do. Worse!

He only wants to see your baby to get to you. It is still abuse of you both.

You allowing yourself to be open to speaking to him or see him is indirect abuse of your baby by him and you for allowing direct contact.

I am not speaking out of spite. I've no doubt you won't like what I say. Take this please from one who knows.

Remember, I was bought up in "affluent sbuse" and recreated it as an adult with the ex. I've had to have the growing realisations myself of my part. Please don't do the same and put both you and your baby in danger.

Now I've spelt that out to you. I hope you can see it and do the right thing and arrange a contact centre for your baby as you're risking putting him in danger too if you don't. Why risk the ex running off with him or upsetting him.

You miss London because you have to build a new life again where you are. You need to start putting activities into place for you and your baby so you can meet new people.

Also, you need to talk with housing options at the council about getting rehoused. Women's Aid can help you with that

HappyHedgehog247 · 05/10/2023 20:11

Does your solicitor think it's a good idea for you to meet him with baby unsupervised? Does your local women's aid think it's a good idea? The blinkers of an abusive relationship can come off slowly. Trust the experts around you for now.

YogiBear2018 · 08/10/2023 08:31

Has anyone been through this with a small baby and has a positive story to tell please? I feel like every day is darker and it’s just getting worse not better. I’ve done everything people have advised me, rang womens aid, got a solicitor, staying with my mum for support, viewing houses to find a more stable base.

desperate to hear it gets better.

thank you 🙏🏼

OP posts:
MsRosley · 08/10/2023 08:46

Never been in your difficult situation, but sending hugs, @YogiBear2018 - I do hope things get easier for you soon.

jackstini · 08/10/2023 08:47

It gets better OP

I have a friend who was in a similar situation but she's a year on now and in such a good place; barely recognises who she was before

He had told her so much shit about herself for so long she had started to believe it, so it took a while for that to turn around. She didn't believe she deserved anything good. First few weeks was hardest but then days got better as good times became more normal

Don't worry about your son missing anything - all he needs at the moment is you. Think about the times you have told us about when your ex P was abusive. You do not ever want your precious boy to see that. You have 100% done the right thing and better times are ahead

AdamRyan · 08/10/2023 10:29

Give yourself a break op it's only been a week and you are grieving. It is going to be hard now and you are going to want to go back to familiarity. That doesn't mean you should.
Give yourself permission to feel rubbish, you are going through one of life's most stressful events. You will feel better, it's just going to take a bit of time