Amber heard Johnny depp

[Chéri44]

I’ve just started watching this on Netflix. Is anyone else watching it ? Thoughts ?

I'm not going to watch it as I've read a few snippets that imply it's biased in favour of Heard. Having seen psychological, emotional and physical abuse by a woman towards a man up close; I am certain that's what happened.

Everything this woman did was absolutely classic abuse... from the love bombing to the coercion and manipulation. If you listen to her words and actions step by step, it'd terrifying.

If you want to know who's abusing who, the victim is generally the one locking themselves I the bathroom. She was not scared of him. He was scared of her.

She's a dangerous person.

After watching all the stuff on TV and documentary, it really looked like Amber was the manipulator. She did not come across well in court either. However, Jonny is best mates with Marilyn Manson (watch the documentary by Evan Rachel Wood about MM) and then decide!! I suspect there was abuse on both sides.

I honestly do not have a good opinion of Johnny Depp. Partly because celebrity holds no interest to me, but mostly because he's a man with kids who left a really loving partner for a younger model and despite being a Dad he is a drinker and into drugs. To me that's an immature and selfish man and his childhood trauma holds no sway with me.

But I observed it all closely. She was a master manipulator from the outset. What he described in his testimony was textbook grooming and love bombing. She was deeply manipulative throughout, a liar, and clearly had him completely terrified. Just because she's a female, it doesn't make it any different. Her messages to him and her various behaviors absolutely scream "abuser" to me.

I have no don't he retaliated at times - but reactive abuse isn't the same. Her motivation was power, control and dominance over him. She had expected to ruin his life when she didn't get what she wanted, and she was obviously prepared to lie to get it.

I believe he loved her, in the sense that all love bombed people "love". He was led to believe he'd found a soul mate: she liked what he liked, she worshipped him. His own weaknesses and lack of integrity notwithstanding, he was played like a fiddle.

I don't believe she loved him. I think she exploited him from day one. Their text messages were so familiar - if you've seen this kind of female abuse before it is so often the man just begging to be left alone.

I think she was a manipulative gold digger. Once he saw through her and wanted out of the marriage she set out to destroy him

I don't know the truth of who did what to who, (and nobody but the two of them does), but I read those vilely misogynistic texts Depp shared with Bettany and as far as I'm concerned, he's gross and Bettany's no better.

I’ve so far only watched about 15 minutes but the footage of him kicking and slamming the cupboards was really violent and I can imagine very intimidating for her.

Don’t bother. It’s very biased. I watched the trial and found Ms Heards & many of her witnesses testimony and conduct completely untrustworthy. Her friend was tweeting during the trial , fabricated social media to get a witness dismissed - before she was banned by the judge.
The jury did an amazing job unlike mainstream media journalists who misquoted constantly and obviously did not watch the trial
C4 and Netflix used material without permission and are quite rightly being sued.

But not so intimidating that she filmed him whilst inciting him. She admitted on numerous occasions following him when he was trying to put distance between them. He was very lucky to break free from her before she seriously hurt him more than cutting off his finger

I’m with you @category12. As you say:

“I don't know the truth of who did what to who, (and nobody but the two of them does), but I read those vilely misogynistic texts Depp shared with Bettany and as far as I'm concerned, he's gross and Bettany's no better.”

Heard was absolutely crucified by commentators and was on the receiving end of horrific comments and threats. As far as I’m aware, Depp did not suffer the same and did not speak up against that. There may have been abuse from both but what i saw if the trial didn’t leave me convinced of Depp’s innocence, that’s for sure.

From what I have heard about it. It is very biased and several people have had footage used that has not been approved and are thinking of taking netflix to court for misrepresentation and breach of copyright,

@Pumpkinpie1

But not so intimidating that she filmed him whilst inciting him

This is it. Depp is obviously an idiot, a drunk, substance abuse problems - but if you're terrified of your abuser you're absolutely NOT goading them, filming them or chasing them around the house while they hide in bathrooms. You walk on eggshells. You're scared.

She admitted on numerous occasions following him when he was trying to put distance between them

Absolutely. This is exactly the pattern I've seen in female abusers. They will chase, prod, push and keep going on going and going. I remember similar was done to my friend and he would hide anywhere he could to get away if she was in one of her "rages". If he tried to restrain her (for safety) she would claim he was abusing her and threaten to tell the police.

Female abusers know very well that they can often "get away with it" and they commonly use threats of outing the subject as the "real" abuser. I listened feeling nauseated as Heard told Depp she would "tell the world". It was so good, so manipulative, and ultimately its coercion. Using threats: "I am going to destroy you and who will believe you????"

He was very lucky to break free from her before she seriously hurt him more than cutting off his finger

I agree completely. Although I think he's an unpleasant person with serious issues of his own, I suspect the damage she has done will be lifelong. I recall hearing how she had taken someone else's domestic abuse story and pretended it was hers and just got the ick. Who does that?

I watched all the episodes.

After the 2nd one I took a break for a few days, it's not one of those that is for binge watching.

They go into their childhood years a bit, I wasn't hooked on the trial so I don't know if that was covered there.

In the end, I think neither of them are as innocent as they claim. They both have deep issues.

I watched the whole court case live stream on law and crime on you tube (you can still watch it now) and Johnny was innocent. The amount of evidence was overwhelming and there was plenty of evidence that the whole thing was a set up with Amber basically trying to destroy him.

I won't say he is easy to live with, as he dies take drugs and drink but I honestly believe from watching all those hours live in court that he didn't abuse her.

The Netflix program is heavily edited and biased.

There are unedited recordings of conversations with johhny and Amber on you tube and you really see her true colours in those!

Yes this. Anyone I know who has watched the court proceedings through has reached the same conclusion.

Obviously Johnny is quite a messed up individual but I think it's self destructive rather rather than being aimed at anyone else.

AH came across as a manipulator. Not a very good one IMO but I guess it works ok outside of a courtroom or without the media's glare on her.

Yeah what really came across in the un edited recordings and the court case was that he tried so hard to get away from her and get space from her but she just wouldn't let him get away. I have no experience of abuse but imagine that if your husband was an abuser, you wouldn't be chasing him round the house and calling him all the time to see when he's coming home.

I’d find it interesting to watch, I’ve come across a lot of content where women swear Heard was demonised and that Depp was the abuser, but from what I’ve seen I’m not convinced. Yes the slamming around is wrong, and aggressive - but I’ve experienced the mind bending confusion (that Depp describes himself as a “whirlwind of confusion”) that will literally pull you into a frustrated rage, because it feels like your gut is twisting and your head is spinning, like you want to claw your own face off and the only way you can vent is on inanimate objects. There is to me, a big difference between stomping around trying to intimidate a victim and bashing and clattering things because someone has their nails in your brain (is what it feels like) - of course this behaviour is messed up and when you need to leave, but when you’re trapped in a cycle of abuse, it can take a long time - meanwhile they film your reactive abusive behaviour (for leverage and evidence how crazy you are). Narcs can drive you to complete madness, I won’t say Depp doesn’t have his own toxic behaviours etc, but I do think Heard is a narc and deliberately antagonised him.

I just don’t think JD was the victim he made himself out to be. I have been a Depp fan since the 90’s and was disappointed he left VP for someone like AH but he is a very powerful man and I can’t see him as a victim. I also find it abit weird how people defend him so passionately and shoot anyone down who expresses doubt, it actually made me question my loyalty towards him.

The issue here is most people have decided there must be a goodie and a baddie.

However, they are both toxic, fucked up people. TBH, it's really hard to spot a truly toxic relationship unless you've seen them before, know the signs.Together they were toxic to themselves and each other, and yes abusive. They brought the worst in each other. There are no sides . There are no clear baddies and goodies. They are both victim and perpetrator. They should have never been together.

both deeply disturbed individuals. I note that Amber has befriended a couple of people this side of the pond to stick up for her. One being a barrister and another one being a pretend forensic psychologist.

Well said.

There are a lot of grey areas here as to who behaved the worst.

There are a lot of grey areas here as to who behaved the worst.

That's the problem isn't it? It's not quantifiable. She shat the bed, he slammed doors and destroyed rooms, he hit her, she cut her finger and so on. She goaded, he shouted. She manipulated him, he sent vile texts. And so on. (Sorry can't fully remember ALL the details)

They're both at their worst. None of those behaviours are normal or healthy. All of those behaviours are abusive.

He laughed his way through court. I think he's a nasty abusive addict and that brought out the absolute worst in her.

Look into the actual trial evidence and you’ll see he was driven to madness by her antics - she’s wired to the moon.
Some of the things he did were fairly awful, but almost always preceded by a crazy outburst from her.
She’s absolutely vile.

He at the very least emotionally abused her and she reacted. Her greatest crime is not being the “perfect victim”. He is an alcoholic drug addict, riding on his now historic good looks to see him through public favour if not Hollywood’s.

I hope she is happy living her life away from the public eye, she deserves happiness.

Being emotionally incontinent and incapable of controlling your actions does not exempt you from being abusive.