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Amber heard Johnny depp

155 replies

Chéri44 · 03/09/2023 13:23

I’ve just started watching this on Netflix. Is anyone else watching it ? Thoughts ?

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Efacsen · 06/09/2023 19:23

Why is this in 'Relationships'?

It's about a Netflix drama - ought to be in Telly Addicts maybe

ladygindiva · 06/09/2023 22:39

OuldWitch · 06/09/2023 16:40

The divisiveness of this issue and the twisting of JD into poor misunderstood victim leaves me feeling sick.

From what little I saw of the court videos he came across as a vile smug misogynist. I know too many men like that to feel any sympathy at all for him.

Like someone else pointed out, he held all the power in this relationship.

Yes I agree with this too.

Gahhhhereheisagain · 06/09/2023 22:48

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 22:26

The issue here is most people have decided there must be a goodie and a baddie.

However, they are both toxic, fucked up people. TBH, it's really hard to spot a truly toxic relationship unless you've seen them before, know the signs.Together they were toxic to themselves and each other, and yes abusive. They brought the worst in each other. There are no sides . There are no clear baddies and goodies. They are both victim and perpetrator. They should have never been together.

Completely agree. They're both awful.

paperflowers55 · 11/09/2023 09:43

Pumpkinpie1 · 03/09/2023 19:53

But not so intimidating that she filmed him whilst inciting him. She admitted on numerous occasions following him when he was trying to put distance between them. He was very lucky to break free from her before she seriously hurt him more than cutting off his finger

inticing him? a grown man is responsible for his own behavior, including controlling his anger. also who drinks wine first thing in the morning? That just screams addiction. Why would I trust the recollection of events from someone who drinks wine for breakfast ? they could remember events completely wrong.
if you think his kitchen behavior normal that you are prone to being abused as well by some man in the future.
whenever he talked on the stand he could barely pull a sentence together. it's so obvious also from the audios he is an angry man. telling her "you don't exist" come on now, that is just horrible. he also punched his own crew member, he is violent when drunk/under the influence.

paperflowers55 · 11/09/2023 09:44

Gahhhhereheisagain · 06/09/2023 22:48

Completely agree. They're both awful.

I think he is a lot worse. think about how he doesn't even see his children, Lily doesn't seem to be pictured with him at all. in her last interview when they asked her about her dad she said something really generic. she clearly is estranged. his own friends are terrible, Manson especially. nothing about him screams good person. nothing. absolutely 0.
I think he's likely charismatic when he's calm and not angry but that's it

paperflowers55 · 11/09/2023 09:47

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 04/09/2023 00:14

No, her biggest crime was punching him. She admitted to hitting him and then called him a baby for complaining about that.

he definitely hit her too and the bruises showed that. don't forget there were bruises on her arms that were shown in paparazzi pics back in 2013, pics that did not make it to the trial at all. I follow celeb gossip more than most people and before they broke up people were already speculating why she looks so unhappy next to him and why she has bruises. just google it.

paperflowers55 · 11/09/2023 09:48

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 04/09/2023 00:59

He wasn't the perfect victim. He was an alcoholic, drug addict, and also a man .

The only evidence of abuse was her abusing him.

she wasn't the perfect victim. she was hysterical at times due to his refusal to quit drugs, and also a woman.
the only evidence of abuse was him abusing her, also shown in the texts.

msssm · 11/09/2023 10:33

I'm also struggling to find this on Netflix could someone help?

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 10:42

WomanHereHear · 03/09/2023 22:23

I just don’t think JD was the victim he made himself out to be. I have been a Depp fan since the 90’s and was disappointed he left VP for someone like AH but he is a very powerful man and I can’t see him as a victim. I also find it abit weird how people defend him so passionately and shoot anyone down who expresses doubt, it actually made me question my loyalty towards him.

I find it really weird that people think other people shouldn't leave a relationship and feel disappointed about it. I've been in that position, exH was a drunk and totally unreliable but people saw the jolly bloke, in the pub, chatting friendly. They didn't see him when he got home, all the jolly gone as well as the money. So insulting when people told me they were sad I'd left him. Should I, or JD or anyone else, stay with someone because other people think they are lovely? Would you?

PaintedEgg · 11/09/2023 12:11

anyone has a right to leave any relationship...im sure he is well aware of how great of a choice it was to leave his long terms partner to then publicly admit his new partner defected in his bed - but this does not take away from the fact that he was a victim of domestic abuse

unfortunately, there are no characteristics that protect people from being a victim - and this case proved it. Even a powerful, albeit immature alcoholic with a lot of power in Hollywood can get abused.

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 11/09/2023 12:32

Forgive me anyone if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you can really tell on this thread who watched the trials and who watched netflix! 😉

WomanHereHear · 11/09/2023 13:42

Oh FGS you seriously comparing my opinion on a celebrity I was a ‘fan’ of when I was young purely on a superficial level and not knowing them personally, to your friends who I assume you know personally and all that comes with knowing real life people. I was disappointed as I would be if my fave boy band member did the same and dumped someone else nothing deep about it. Me telling a friend my un warranted opinion on their personal relationship is hardly the same thing! I find it weird that you are conflating the two, tbh, celebrity world is very different and no I don’t think anyone should stay with anyone. This is a strange phenomenon I only see on JD threads, not any other celebrity.

boobot1 · 11/09/2023 14:02

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 03/09/2023 22:26

The issue here is most people have decided there must be a goodie and a baddie.

However, they are both toxic, fucked up people. TBH, it's really hard to spot a truly toxic relationship unless you've seen them before, know the signs.Together they were toxic to themselves and each other, and yes abusive. They brought the worst in each other. There are no sides . There are no clear baddies and goodies. They are both victim and perpetrator. They should have never been together.

Yeah that was my take too.

Lightme · 11/09/2023 14:31

No wonder male abuse victims struggle to speak up given how easily an audience is swayed by a few crocodile tears.

Regardless of his flaws as a man, this woman is proven to be an almost pathological liar, even going as far to take others abuse stories and pretending they happened to her, and making up stories about donating her divorce settlement to a kids hospital.

He was petrified of her. He was hiding out from her. He was locking himself in bathrooms. He has evidence of injuries and taped confessions of her admitting to doing it. She was chasing after him and threatening if he didn't do what she said that she'd tell the world and no one would believe him.

Yikes ladies. Open your eyes!

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 14:34

WomanHereHear · 11/09/2023 13:42

Oh FGS you seriously comparing my opinion on a celebrity I was a ‘fan’ of when I was young purely on a superficial level and not knowing them personally, to your friends who I assume you know personally and all that comes with knowing real life people. I was disappointed as I would be if my fave boy band member did the same and dumped someone else nothing deep about it. Me telling a friend my un warranted opinion on their personal relationship is hardly the same thing! I find it weird that you are conflating the two, tbh, celebrity world is very different and no I don’t think anyone should stay with anyone. This is a strange phenomenon I only see on JD threads, not any other celebrity.

I still think it is seriously weird to have an opinion on if other people should stay in a relationship and feel disappointed about something that is nothing to do with you and has no affect on your life at all. I notice you haven't answered if you'd stay in an unhappy relationship because other people might be disappointed.

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 14:37

FortheBeautyoftheEarth · 11/09/2023 12:32

Forgive me anyone if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you can really tell on this thread who watched the trials and who watched netflix! 😉

I haven't watched either although it all sounds a bit extreme. I do agree men can be abused, I think it can look very different to a woman being abused. At least it did with the couples I know, very very obvious with the woman being abused (hard to miss a broken arm and black eye) harder to spot the other way round as the abuser did it in private until she lost control and we could all see it.

WomanHereHear · 11/09/2023 14:50

@iamafool lol I hadn’t even read that part of your comment, no I wouldn’t stay for other people either! And I wouldn’t expect JD to stay with his ex because of my disappointment lol. again, really odd you would make that comparison.Ofcourse I can have an opinion on celebrities, their relationships, what they’re wearing, that’s the whole point of them isn’t it 🤦‍♀️

WomanHereHear · 11/09/2023 14:59

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 14:34

I still think it is seriously weird to have an opinion on if other people should stay in a relationship and feel disappointed about something that is nothing to do with you and has no affect on your life at all. I notice you haven't answered if you'd stay in an unhappy relationship because other people might be disappointed.

@Iwasafool again you’re struggling to
understand the difference between celebs and real life people, I am sure celebrities like JD are not worrying about my negative opinion on their lives. That’s what keeps them relevant after all.

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 15:13

WomanHereHear · 11/09/2023 14:59

@Iwasafool again you’re struggling to
understand the difference between celebs and real life people, I am sure celebrities like JD are not worrying about my negative opinion on their lives. That’s what keeps them relevant after all.

I think celebrities are real people, in fact I know they are. That's the point.

WomanHereHear · 11/09/2023 15:19

Iwasafool · 11/09/2023 15:13

I think celebrities are real people, in fact I know they are. That's the point.

Oh you know exactly what I mean so I won’t anymore of my precious time debating this with you. 👋

adriftabroad · 11/09/2023 15:30

My STBXH was convicted in April for emotional violence towards me and his DD.

Can you imagine how hard that was to do in Spain?

Well I did it. When I watched Amber Heard in the actual trial, last year, my blood ran cold. She absolutely was the abuser. Cluster B, NPD.
I give not give two figs for JD. As a PP noted above, abusers like this will attack you forever unless you stop them. She was doing this. AFTER their divorce.

I think shell try and do it again at some point, TBH.

AliciaLime · 11/09/2023 15:30

stampquestion · 06/09/2023 16:06

Holy SHIT, this thread.

How horrifying that you honestly think a woman half his age, with no physical or financial power or influence, somehow abused a wealthy bloke in full front of his security teams.

Fuck me.

Awful. Hiding this thread now.

Go read some Lundy Bancroft.

Thank god for someone pointing out the power differential here.

AliciaLime · 11/09/2023 15:33

ladygindiva · 06/09/2023 22:39

Yes I agree with this too.

And me. I don’t understand the worship of him.

Lightme · 11/09/2023 15:36

@adriftabroad

Well I did it. When I watched Amber Heard in the actual trial, last year, my blood ran cold. She absolutely was the abuser. Cluster B, NPD.
I give not give two figs for JD. As a PP noted above, abusers like this will attack you forever unless you stop them. She was doing this. AFTER their divorce

I felt the same. She made my bowels drop. It was incredibly triggering.

Lightme · 11/09/2023 15:47

How horrifying that you honestly think a woman half his age, with no physical or financial power or influence, somehow abused a wealthy bloke in full front of his security teams

This was exactly what she was saying on the audio tapes: "tell the world Johnny! Who do you thinks going to believe you???"

Anyone can abuse anyone

The worst case of abuse I've ever seen was by a late 40s woman, butter wouldn't melt in her mouth, good job, publicy angelic.

Behind closed doors she was abusing her boss: a man with more power, more money, physically a marathon runner.

And like Johnny he'd be literally hiding. Partly because she'd hit him or trap him, but mostly because she'd hit herself and take photos and say she was going to tell everyone HE was the abuser.

He ended up having a nervous breakdown. He'd physically defecate himself if the phone rang.

Being a cluster B NPD abusive fuck is not the realm of only men. Plenty of them are tiny women with no money and no power. It's what they do with your mind.