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OH Cheated on me :(

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AmyB13 · 22/08/2023 14:29

Please someone talk to me. I found out yesterday my OH of 8 years had a one night stand on Friday whilst I was away for the weekend with my DD.
The woman in question is someone I know from the pub me and my OH socialise in and she is actually supposed to be gay, so I'm extra confused about it all!
I found out because I couldn't get hold of my OH all evening and when he finally called me back he was being super shady. We have a joint phone contract so I checked the records and saw he had called a taxi about 15 mins before I spoke to him yet on the phone he was pretending he had fallen asleep and just woken up!
I returned from my weekend away yesterday and he couldn't continue his lie and told me what had happened. How he had gone out, got really drunk and that his woman had no way to get home so she came back with him as neither of them had any cash on them for a taxi and there was cash at our house. He says he doesn't really have a proper memory of what happened and he was very remorseful when he told me. Bordering on a panic attack, begging me not to leave him, saying he will do anything to fix things etc.
I really don't know what to do. I love him and can't imagine not being with him. Part of me wants to forgive and try to get past it, I can see what a huge mistake he thinks it is... but the other part of me feels sick to my stomach. I'm going in and out of shock with it atm, crying one minute, then angry, then numb. I don't want to be in my house because that's where this happened, I want space from him but I also want him to stay. I have a 12 year old daughter who isn't his but she thinks of him as a dad. If she knew what had happened she would be absolutely devastated. I don't want to put her through him leaving.
I also don't feel like I can talk to anyone about this. My family and friends will tell me to leave him and hate him, and then there's our joint friends who I'm not sure whether the advice would be for me or him.
I'm sorry for the long post, I'm hoping someone can offer me some comfort or advice? Thank you for reading x

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FlamingYam · 23/08/2023 15:16

Has she made contact with OH?

Some anger should be directed at her because it's a real shitty thing to do but absolutely more at OH and I'd leave her for now.

You sound so strong in how you're handling this Flowers

AmyB13 · 23/08/2023 15:21

Thank you @FlamingYam
I have no intention of contacting her again and will be blocking her soon. I wanted to give her the opportunity to defend herself or say sorry or something, I don't know. I was hoping she would fill in the blanks for me so things made more sense. But she clearly has no plans on replying so I have nothing more to say to her. I'm not really that angry at her, but maybe if I see her that would be different which is another reason I wanted her to be aware that I know so she might decide to keep away.

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quietnightmare · 23/08/2023 15:21

Your doing well OP.

You have messaged her and said your thoughts so leave that now. If she replies then it's up to you if you want to reply

I think it's time your DH changes the damn pub he drinks in as it's safe to say that's a red zone now

It will get easier whatever you choose to do. If you do or don't decide to stay with him decide when your calmer and even stronger and do what you want

sodthesodoff · 23/08/2023 15:22

But it's not her though is it?

He has form for this. He's cheated in the past.

Maybe she was the one who was really drunk. Maybe she doesn't remember and is mortified. Maybe she genuinely went to your house to get some money for a taxi.

He was sober enough to cover his tracks and lie to you. Oh and sober enough to know he didn't come in her (nice)

Maybe she's feeling used and abused too. We don't know as he 'can't remember' enough to give the full picture.

AmyB13 · 23/08/2023 15:30

sodthesodoff · 23/08/2023 15:22

But it's not her though is it?

He has form for this. He's cheated in the past.

Maybe she was the one who was really drunk. Maybe she doesn't remember and is mortified. Maybe she genuinely went to your house to get some money for a taxi.

He was sober enough to cover his tracks and lie to you. Oh and sober enough to know he didn't come in her (nice)

Maybe she's feeling used and abused too. We don't know as he 'can't remember' enough to give the full picture.

No, it's no her, I know it's my OH that betrayed me. However, she is fully aware of the fact we are together, she is someone I know and we have always got on. I wasn't nasty or abusive at all, I was actually worried about how she was as this also seemed very unlike what I would expect from her. And I know OH has form but we are talking about something he did nearly 10 years ago with an ex partner. I'm not sure I should judge that as it was before me?

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monsteramunch · 23/08/2023 15:35

I don't know how you'll ever feel relaxed with him living with you in the home he shagged someone else in. Presumably on the sofa / god forbid in your bedroom. He wants to, what... sit with you on that sofa, sleep with you in that bed? How can he possibly expect you to live with that.

Your daughter lives there. It's your home. It's so shockingly disrespectful for him to have brought this situation into what should be a safe space for you.

sodthesodoff · 23/08/2023 15:39

Honestly op you don't know if this is the first time he's cheated in ten years

And yes I think you can judge someone for cheating - and more importantly not doing anything to prevent it happening again. Regardless of how long ago it was.

Most people don't cheat not because they don't have the opportunity or fancy anyone else. But because their morals mean they just wouldn't. He's shown repeatedly that doesn't apply to him.

You're missing my point about her though. I'm saying he could have taken advantage of her.

You say he's not even her type. She likes women. Maybe she was so drunk she doesn't remember. Yeah not a nice thought. But with the absence of facts from your partner it's a possibility and one I've thought about.

GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 15:45

I think it's time your DH changes the damn pub he drinks in as it's safe to say that's a red zone now

Yes that will change his repetitive history or cheating while drinking.

It's the venue that's the problem.

AmyB13 · 23/08/2023 15:46

Honestly op you don't know if this is the first time he's cheated in ten years
Yeah, true. I do agree that it seemed very easy for him to do it this time so why would it be the first.

You're missing my point about her though. I'm saying he could have taken advantage of her.
I really hope that's not the case. Surely she would have replied to me and said that though? The first message I sent literally read "Hi (OW), please can you tell me what went on with you and (OH) last night?" then second message was "I didn't have you down for being a coward, I ask you what happened and you ignore me, don't worry though (OH) couldn't maintain his lies and I now know" I then detailed what he had told me so give her the opportunity to say that something wasn't true. I then made sure to say I would listen to her if she wanted to reply.

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GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 15:48

FlamingYam · 23/08/2023 15:16

Has she made contact with OH?

Some anger should be directed at her because it's a real shitty thing to do but absolutely more at OH and I'd leave her for now.

You sound so strong in how you're handling this Flowers

Of she's the sort of person who goes out without any money or anywhere to stay and buns drinks off people on the regular and goes home with drunk attached blokes and shags them (probably without condoms), I think it's safe to say she's not the most together person on the planet. In fact she's a bit of a disaster area. There's not much point in focusing on her. She's not ops partner a d she's not a step parent to her DD. She's irrelevant. If it wasn't her, it would've been some other up for it female in some pub some night.

AmyB13 · 23/08/2023 15:50

monsteramunch · 23/08/2023 15:35

I don't know how you'll ever feel relaxed with him living with you in the home he shagged someone else in. Presumably on the sofa / god forbid in your bedroom. He wants to, what... sit with you on that sofa, sleep with you in that bed? How can he possibly expect you to live with that.

Your daughter lives there. It's your home. It's so shockingly disrespectful for him to have brought this situation into what should be a safe space for you.

Yeah, I'm really struggling with this tbh. Even if we break up I really don't think I can stay here :(

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quietnightmare · 23/08/2023 15:51

GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 15:45

I think it's time your DH changes the damn pub he drinks in as it's safe to say that's a red zone now

Yes that will change his repetitive history or cheating while drinking.

It's the venue that's the problem.

Insightful aren't you 😂

GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 15:52

AmyB13 · 23/08/2023 15:46

Honestly op you don't know if this is the first time he's cheated in ten years
Yeah, true. I do agree that it seemed very easy for him to do it this time so why would it be the first.

You're missing my point about her though. I'm saying he could have taken advantage of her.
I really hope that's not the case. Surely she would have replied to me and said that though? The first message I sent literally read "Hi (OW), please can you tell me what went on with you and (OH) last night?" then second message was "I didn't have you down for being a coward, I ask you what happened and you ignore me, don't worry though (OH) couldn't maintain his lies and I now know" I then detailed what he had told me so give her the opportunity to say that something wasn't true. I then made sure to say I would listen to her if she wanted to reply.

If she's still with her partner, she's likely to keep sctumn and not say anything incriminating esp. not in written form and hope it blows over and neither of you tell the partner. She's cheated and not even with the sex that is supposed to be her orientation; that might make a female partner dump her.

She'll probably try to portray it as a foolish bloke whom came onto her and whose jealous crazy woman is going off on one.

If she has no money when she's out, she might be dependent on a partner for accommodation or suchlike.

She's going to try to stay out of it, I would imagine.

sodthesodoff · 23/08/2023 15:54

Well who knows. You say it's not in her nature. You're surprised by her. She's got a girlfriend. She's not normally in the same pub as your partner so it's not like they've been flirting it up

All I'm saying is your energies are wasted on her. She's not where your focus should be. And who knows she could be just as damaged as you are.

However it does mean your partner brings home women with seemingly no links whatsoever to fuck around with. Which I don't know how you reconcile with. No emotional connection. Just literally could be anyone.

He's prepared to throw ten years and your family life for the first person he meets in the pub basically

GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 15:55

Pinkbonbon · 23/08/2023 15:14

He'll be messaging her too, telling her to keep her mouth shut/what to say.

He probably told her a whole lot of shite about how you two had split up or were on the rocks or something. He'll have told her you're the crazy ex.
Tbf she might still think he's been honest after reading your message...

And this.

You have no idea what communication has happened between them since.

They're both in survival, damage limitation mode ... If she's still in a relationship.

Mrsttcno1 · 23/08/2023 16:03

OP respectfully, this woman really hasn’t done anything wrong to you. For all you know, when they were drunk leaving the pub he could have said yous weren’t even together, in fact if I was in her shoes and a man took me back to his house I would assume him and his girlfriend were no longer together! It’s not her job to double check that he’s single, YOUR partner is responsible for protecting your relationship, and it’s certainly not her job to reply to your messages.

She’s not a close friend of yours, she owes you absolutely no loyalty. He’s the one you’re supposed to be sharing your life with.

The buck for this starts and ends with him, why would you block her on social media when you’re not even going to kick him out of the house?

You need to pick a stance.

If you want to be treated like a mug then yeah stay living with this man and wonder every time you leave the house with him whether xyz who walks past you knows he’s slept with a woman from the pub, live a life of worrying every time he’s drunk without you.

If you want to stand up for yourself and go after what you deserve, then yes absolutely block her AND him on social media, and kick him out.

Pinkbonbon · 23/08/2023 16:12

If she's cheated too then she won't want to put anything in writing in reply. Maybe she'll tell you next time she sees you if you allow it.

Also similarly if anything happened say, against her wishes, she wouldn't reply to you because she's distressed and putting that in writing would cause more distress.

Takeitonthechin · 23/08/2023 16:29

Have you spoken to the OW and get her version, I suspect your OH is telling lies and it was probably set up long before you had a weekend away.

Also, moving forward, are you both going to stop going to the pub where the OW goes?
Why did you think the OW was gay, did your OH tell you this?, if so he's been lying to you for a long time!
I'm of the opinion that if they do it once, they will do it again... I'd get rid now before your even more of a laughing stock, this is certainly gg to get round.

LemonyTicket · 23/08/2023 16:52

Ah Amy, I have so much to say having walked in your shoes. Here is some advice and some empathy rolled up into one.

> It's normal to be in denial to a degree and expect it to take 3 - 6 months for your brain to have fully understood the betrayal. Infidelity - if we trust our partner is like a death but worse in some senses. It violates your deepest beliefs about the world and causes significant trauma.

> It is normal to to not immediately want to give up your entire life! Doing so - especially while broken hearted is incredibly hard and initially staying often feels easier.

> It is very hard to do this with a child - particularly if she's not his - because you know leaving means changing two lives and it's not an easy decision. It's also not easy to pack and bag and go off for a few weeks. I had a child when this happened to me too.

These are some horrible truths you might need to adjust to, and it's hard to say but I wish I had accepted these realities from day one rather than remaining in denial.

> Nobody takes a woman home drunk for any reason of any kind EVER unless they are fully intending to shag them.

> Most people after they cheat don't tell you the whole truth. My exOH lied out of his backside because he was terrified of losing me. This meant the full truth came out over 8 months and was much more agonising because of that.

> When we love people, we consider them to be basically decent. We think they will look after us and that we can trust them. That isn't always true. Cheaters have something running through them which makes them capable of doing things most people couldn't. It means they can love you until the cows come home and still be capable of putting their dick into someone else because they like the feeling.

> After the shock wears off, it will probably hurt a lot. And the humiliation and anger will follow. It'll be anger the likes of which you can't comprehend right now. And the pain will last for years, if not forever. Some people recover better than others but what he has given you is a wound you don't let comprehend.

> Your potential for "healing" or staying together to have a rewarding relationship depends almost entirely on him. He will have to take real action to make amends. Many cheaters are weak and can't tolerate that so they will half arse it and then blame you for not forgiving them quick enough.

> You will teach him your value now. So don't be kind. Be angry. Defend yourself as you would your daughter. He has betrayed the foundations of everything and destroyed your relationship for a moment's selfish pleasure. Feel the rage and direct it towards protecting YOU.

> I am sorry, I don't think you can continue to live in your house. It would affect you over time. If you have the money what I would personally do is move house now on your own with your daughter. If you want to reconcile and he's doing everything you require to earn your trust and love back - then at least give him the fright of his life.

> Doing the above, even if you have to force yourself, will achieve two things. The first one is that it will force him into a position where he either does the work to repair what he broke (and that is HARD for men with weak characters). This will save you wasting time on an unrepentant cheater. Side note to this that tears and begging and apologies is NOT what repentance is. Repentance is putting in work to heal YOU. Whatever it takes, for however long, on YOUR terms.

> Secondly, it gives you back the agency that he and pub slag took away from you. You won't realise now, but this would have damaged your self esteem and a huge part of taking that back will be if you are able to look back on this and be proud that you looked after you. I really regret NOT doing that. And yes, I am calling her pub slag because only a complete cow goes back with a man who lives with an OW and stepchild and shags him. She's a selfish, nasty dick too.

> I am so sorry this is where you find yourself. It changes your life. But you have the power to choose how and how much. I do believe full and healthy reconciliation, forgiveness and growth is possible but that is ALL his job.

My final thought is that I deeply loved my exOH when he did this to me. I probably still do. But despite all the tears and begging and "I can't live without you", he never really made amends or did what I asked or needed or took away the pain for me, and so I really regret not leaving much, much sooner than I did.

I wanted my life back. I didn't want to lose everything. I understand how you feel - but remember he would have been sitting there while his flies were being undone and he decided it was worth that risk. The best he could have expected was that you never found out and your life and future would have been a long lie.

I am so sorry.

Freeme31 · 23/08/2023 16:55

You say an awful lot about him/OW - but little about what he is going to do for YOU going forward? All he seems to say is "he can't remember "What are his solutions to this sh!t storm he caused. No point in you saying eg no drinking , no going out without you etc. what has he actually said off his own back. I know you mentioned therapy - so days later has he actually booked an appointment? I suspecting not. Has he from his own money ordered a new couch/bed (i know i would want to sit where they had sex) OP your going to get hurt again because he knows he can - you seem a genuinely nice person who is being made to look a fool

Acornsoup · 23/08/2023 17:44
  1. It's not like a death. It is the most awful cowardly betrayal, but unfortunately their is life for him after infidelity.
  1. Move now while he is sorry and will agree to your terms. If you wait until he turns himself into the victim he will fight you for every single penny.
  1. He will turn himself into the victim.
Mmhmmn · 23/08/2023 17:53

Moreover has he booked himself in at the STI clinic to get tested to check he hasn't picked up anything nasty [that he would happily have transmitted to you if you hadn't found out what he did] Awful.

AmyB13 · 23/08/2023 18:03

You say an awful lot about him/OW - but little about what he is going to do for YOU going forward?

I'm hoping to have a proper chat about this later once my DD has gone to bed. I've been spending the day trying to figure out my thoughts, and this thread is helping a lot with that so than you everyone.

I did arrange to speak to a therapist for me today though. I really don't feel strong enough to actually leave him if that's what I decide to do. So I thought it probably a good idea to get some support to help me make the break if that's what I do.

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GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 18:09

I really don't feel strong enough to actually leave him if that's what I decide to do

Cynically, I think he knows/knew that.

He thought he'd get away with it even if he got found out.

He also probably banked on your extreme reluctance to remove someone from your dad's life. Someone who appears to have a good bond with her.

He thinks you're in a weak position and he's taken advantage of that. That's rather abhorrent.

GilbertMarkham · 23/08/2023 18:10

DD, not Dad 🙄

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