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Wife feeling disconnected and growing apart, with a plot twist

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Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 11:11

Long time poster / reader but have set up a new account to post this.

I was hit with a bombshell over the weekend. I was putting our 2-year-old to bed when my wife walked in and put a few pieces of paper on the cabinet next to me saying 'please read this when you're done and then we can talk downstairs'. For context, we've been together 18 years having met at Uni. Married 11 years, three young children aged 2, 6, 9. I'm 38, she's 36.

Added context before I get to the letter... we haven't been 'happy' for 12-18 months and we've had a couple of big heart to heart chats in that time. We have lots of nice moments but most of the time we're just passing ships, running around after the kids, ferrying them from hobby to hobby. Sex has slowed down to once a month not helped by our 2yo co-sleeping in between us. Cost of living has also been a factor adding financial pressure, for reference I bring in 75% of the household income. I maybe naively just thought this tricky period was normal for married couples with young children and we'd muddle through it, in my head I've thought it's what all parents go through and we'll come out the other side of it. We rarely ever argue but I think that's largely because we just don't communicate enough and it turns into indifference.

So to the letter... she started by saying how much she loves me and that I'm a great dad and how we've experienced so much joy together for so long. She wrote about all the positive aspects of our relationship but I knew there was a 'but' coming. I was on page two of six... I knew there was a big but coming.

She said she has deep heaviness in her heart about there being an unspoken distance and disconnection between us. That she's feeling resistance in our relationship and can feel change happening within her. In her words, she wants a conscious relationship that brings deep intimacy to her mind, body and spirit. A divine union with greater levels of connection and to take love and joy to another level. She says it feels like we are two souls on a different paths with different interests that bring us joy.

Now this doesn't surprise me. It's been her line of work for the last 5-6 years... she's a female empowerment coach, yoga teacher, all-round spiritual guru, helping women connect with true authenticity etc. She immerses herself in podcasts, Instagram reels, books and all kinds of content on these themes and all centred around personal growth and stepping into 'who you're meant to be'. She wakes up early to meditate while I'm doing breakfast with the kids. She walks around with earpods in listening to the latest podcast on empowerment, self-love, etc. I've lost track of the amount of times I've tried to talk to her and then realise she can't hear me.

She has changed so much in recent years... she talks about being confined by society's expectations and constitutions on marriage, education, religion etc. She grew up in the church where she was told what a good woman is, what a good woman does, don't be too sexual, don't be provocative, don't be this, don't be that, etc. And I think a lot stems from there... she tells me she's craving freedom as she's never had it.

I don't resent this work... I've supported her in this. I've seen how this work lights her up and I'm proud of her because I feel like this is her true calling, working with women. But I've always felt like she was doing this work for the betterment of not just herself but for us as a family... that as she grows, we grow together not just financially but emotionally too. Whereas now it feels like she's just zooming away from me in a different direction and leaving me behind. For the record, I don't meditate, I don't do yoga, I'm not checking in daily on my 'growth plan' or having ice cold showers to energise myself. I'm just a decent normal hard-working guy who loves his wife and kids and provides for his family. I'm very hands-on with the kids - I do a lot. I've always seen domestic responsibilities as a partnership thing and not something that guys should 'help out' with or 'chip in' with. I fully play my part here.

Anyway, as the letter went on, she spoke about how she's terrified about the way she's feeling because she loves me but that we're here to live life to the fullest as we only get once chance at life. That we both deserve to feel deep love and connection and she doesn't know if our marriage can provide that... equally she admits we could expand and grow together in ways we haven't already.

Then came the bolt from the blue and I still don't know how to feel about it. Quick bit of pre-context... I trust her implicitly. Like, 100%. She's an incredibly spiritual and wholesome person with a heart of gold. Infidelity has never ever crossed my mind. And then I got to the next paragraph where she said she's been suppressing something for months and she's tried to push it down but it won't go away. That she's been having real desires to explore with women sexually. That fantasies are filling her head and she doesn't know if it's something she needs to explore and get out of her system or if it's more than that.

When we spoke after I read the letter, I told her I was feeling shellshocked. That my life has been turned upside down as I didn't see this coming. I asked her if there was a particular woman that had made her feel this way and she admitted there's a woman she met at an event and they hugged and there was an 'insane energy' between them and they'd been messaging for months since the event. My wife had told her she was feeling confused and had feelings for her. I can't tell you how this made me feel... it was like cheating but not cheating? I felt sick... emotional... confused... even stupid. I don't know how to play this from here. We love each other but we're not on the same page. It's clear she wants me to be something else and join her on her 'awakening journey' but I'm now growing to resent it for what it's doing to us as a family. She will go away on retreats for days and leave me with the kids, then when she gets back to a chaotic house it's like she wishes she didn't have to return home... whereas in my mind, this is real life, a chaotic home with young children is real life and to me, life isn't just about retreats and what you see on Instagram reels and fancy quotes on idealistic backgrounds. I'm willing to work on our relationship and meet her either halfway or someway but is that me being a subservient doormat? I don't want to lose her and break-up our family, it's not an option for me, I don't see myself with anyone else. But equally, I'm not sure I can be the person she wants me to be. I slept for 2 hours the night we had this discussion... I cannot remember the last time I cried but I couldn't help myself, pure uncontrollable sobbing that I have never experienced before. We spoke about counselling and we're going to give it a try but in my head I'm wondering if she's already checked out...

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vodkaredbullgirl · 15/08/2023 11:17

🤔sounds like a post from yesterday

GreyCarpet · 15/08/2023 11:18

I really feel for you.

IME, a lot of these types of people, despite claiming to be all about self improvement and empowering others, actually become incredibly selfish and dull and boring 'normal' types are seen as holding them back in their journey...

You are clearly very supportive and encouraging of her so, in theory, some of the connection and emotional intimacy she speaks of could be addressed.

However, she has cheated on you. It's not 'cheating but not cheating'. She is conducting an emotional affair. The fact she is cheating with a woman is no different.

ClaraBourne · 15/08/2023 11:29

So she's having an emotional affair and dressed it up as some kind of spiritual awakening that she needs.

What a crock of shit. See it for what it is.

This must be shocking for you but please don't treat her with kid gloves because of the way she had told you. It's incredibly manipulative.

Cheeseandlobster · 15/08/2023 11:32

GreyCarpet · 15/08/2023 11:18

I really feel for you.

IME, a lot of these types of people, despite claiming to be all about self improvement and empowering others, actually become incredibly selfish and dull and boring 'normal' types are seen as holding them back in their journey...

You are clearly very supportive and encouraging of her so, in theory, some of the connection and emotional intimacy she speaks of could be addressed.

However, she has cheated on you. It's not 'cheating but not cheating'. She is conducting an emotional affair. The fact she is cheating with a woman is no different.

This. I am sorry but your wife sounds incredibly pretentious and selfish. Even before I read the contents of the letter, as soon as you said she had written a huge letter, to me this was a red flag. What is wrong with her having a face to face conversation with you?

Can I ask. How much does she do with the children? You mentioned you are doing breakfast while she wafts around with head phones on meditating. It doesn't sound very equal to me, at least not in the morning anyway.

She sounds like she has checked out and is looking for permission to pursue this "insane connection". Would she be as glib had this insane connection been with a man. Part of me wonders if she is hoping that it being with a woman will somehow be more acceptable to you.

For what it's worth you sound like a lovely guy who just wants a normal family life with a wife who is a friend and equal partner. This doesn't sound like your current relationship. You deserve more and I would be re evaluating if I were in your shoes. I suspect without the 75 percent financial contribution, this "insane connection" would become a lot less appealing and your wife would need to live in the real world a lot more in order to sustain a normal life

QuintessentiallyScottish · 15/08/2023 11:35

I really feel for you too. It sounds a lot like the last 10 years of my marriage except my husband wasn't honest or even speaking to me about what he was doing and with whom, I just had to have my suspicions and fears. All the while he was getting all this new attention and me being content with my life was holding him back. It's all bollocks. They'll use any words to excuse what they're doing and to get what they want.

I know it's horrible @Lonbarmos , sickening, but my advice is for you to not let her make all the decisions in what happens now. Don't be the mug I was letting my ex do whatever he wanted, not being 'that' wife.

RandomMess · 15/08/2023 11:42

I agree she's become entirely self absorbed (selfish) and is excusing her emotional affair.

As a family you are in thick of it, she has chosen to "escape" rather than head down and pull together

She needs to choose her family and commit wholeheartedly to rescuing the marriage or step away and end it to pursue herself.

LookingForFreeDoughnuts · 15/08/2023 11:45

The issue of her sexuality is secondary to her mentally checking out of family life. Are you both religious? I wonder if she's realised she isn't, and has built a life of marriage and kids around a framework she no longer believes in. At any rate, she's been self absorbed in her approach with you. She needs to stop living in this fantasy land of zen perfection and face facts that there are people who depend on her and who she is responsible for.

80s · 15/08/2023 11:51

ClaraBourne · 15/08/2023 11:29

So she's having an emotional affair and dressed it up as some kind of spiritual awakening that she needs.

What a crock of shit. See it for what it is.

This must be shocking for you but please don't treat her with kid gloves because of the way she had told you. It's incredibly manipulative.

+1

supercali77 · 15/08/2023 11:53

The self help/empowerment communities are filled with people who are utterly self absorbed and 0% enlightened. My ex was one. It takes a while to realise that you're just an adjunct to their very special journey, the feet-of-clay pleb that has to wash the dishes and make the earthly money.

Personally I'd be raging, shes dressed up an emotional affair as 'spiritual growth'. Then she's gone on about an 'unspoken distance'. Distance she decided to enforce with an affair and unspoken because she decided not to tell you.

In your shoes, id go off on 'retreat' for a week or 2. Let her deal with the daily tasks and figure out what YOU want.

Hoppinggreen · 15/08/2023 11:54

vodkaredbullgirl · 15/08/2023 11:17

🤔sounds like a post from yesterday

My first thought too.

Lots of words in there OP and I can’t bones say I read them all but basically if your wife isn’t happy then split up

BumpyaDaisyevna · 15/08/2023 11:54

I would tell her to take her headphones off, get her head out of the clouds, and roll up her sleeves to face the reality of day to day life in an ordinary marriage with work and kids. The ordinary ups and the usual downs.

The twist in the tale is that facing reality and sticking at it can and does bring about enormous personal growth and deeper connections. Much more so than fantasy and escapism, actually.

I am not saying that paying attention to your spiritual needs is not important. Of course it is, and there is no reason why she can't follow these interests of hers. Many people do to great benefit in their lives.

But it sounds like instead of being a creative thing, which adds to her current life with you and the kids, it is becoming a destructive escapist and rather self absorbed fantasy, which will break your family and marriage apart.

As with all these things it is not the "interest/pursuit" itself that is the problem, it is HOW it is being pursued and to what end. If it is a means to deny/avoid reality, that is a problem. If it is a way to learn to live more creatively in the reality that you have, it is likely to be helpful.

supercali77 · 15/08/2023 11:57

A zen proverb:

Before enlightenment - Chop wood, Carry water
After enlightenment - Chop wood, Carry water

madeofcheeze · 15/08/2023 11:57

vodkaredbullgirl · 15/08/2023 11:17

🤔sounds like a post from yesterday

Doesn't it just.

Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 11:57

Appreciate all comments. I'm conflicted because I do believe she's got a good heart and doesn't want to cause me or the children pain. In her words, if we didn't work out it would be healthier for the kids to see their (separated) parents living life to the full rather than growing up in a household where parents had chosen to 'settle'. The thing is, it all feels very one-way. I mean... we've not been as happy as we could be but I just believed we were in the thick of it with young children and things would get better. That's where I blame myself for not taking the bull by the horns and actively looking to improve our relationship. I naively thought that by getting a recent promotion and doing lots for the family (work full time, most of the cooking, pick ups and drop-offs, food shopping etc) that I was showing her love in that way, showing that I care... but it's like I've been a fool and she wants to be loved completely differently.

To the comment above from @RandomMess "She needs to choose her family and commit wholeheartedly to rescuing the marriage or step away and end it to pursue herself." - I said to her that we've made a commitment to each other and we need to work at it, and she says we will work at it, but that a commitment made 11 years ago doesn't stand forever if that commitment isn't growing and evolving. I think in her eyes a long marriage doesn't necessarily mean a successful marriage... and I actually agree to some point. I can definitely do more... but she needs to reel in a bit and live in our world too. I'm not turning into some bongo-playing hippie that does yoga and meditation every morning, it's just not me.

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Fraaahnces · 15/08/2023 11:59

She sounds like an entitled, arrogant, selfish piece of work to me. Also, she’s already cheating.

Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 12:01

madeofcheeze · 15/08/2023 11:57

Doesn't it just.

Can someone link this post?

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9outof10cats · 15/08/2023 12:02

Where do the children factor in all of this? Does she spend any time with them or is most of the childcare left to you? I only ask because you write a lot about what she gets to do for her own fulfillment but little about what she does for the family.

Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 12:02

BumpyaDaisyevna · 15/08/2023 11:54

I would tell her to take her headphones off, get her head out of the clouds, and roll up her sleeves to face the reality of day to day life in an ordinary marriage with work and kids. The ordinary ups and the usual downs.

The twist in the tale is that facing reality and sticking at it can and does bring about enormous personal growth and deeper connections. Much more so than fantasy and escapism, actually.

I am not saying that paying attention to your spiritual needs is not important. Of course it is, and there is no reason why she can't follow these interests of hers. Many people do to great benefit in their lives.

But it sounds like instead of being a creative thing, which adds to her current life with you and the kids, it is becoming a destructive escapist and rather self absorbed fantasy, which will break your family and marriage apart.

As with all these things it is not the "interest/pursuit" itself that is the problem, it is HOW it is being pursued and to what end. If it is a means to deny/avoid reality, that is a problem. If it is a way to learn to live more creatively in the reality that you have, it is likely to be helpful.

Felt like a lot of truth was told here, thank you.

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LadyOfTheCanyon · 15/08/2023 12:04

God, I got paragraph in and thought 'sounds like she's gay!' And here we are.

Sorry OP , this isn't one to fight for. You'll just have to let her get on and make her mistakes/ grow herself spiritually.. The bisexual midlife crisis rarely ends with the woman deciding she wants to stay with the man.

Get your ducks in a row and prepare to fight for custody.

Frenchfancy · 15/08/2023 12:05

This sounds like friends of mine from a few years back.

She ended up leaving to live in a caravan leaving him to be the stable influence they needed.

The DC now have very little contact with her and she is traveling around picking up bits of work here and there as a fruit picker. I don't think she found happiness and was too far up her own arse to worry about her DCs happiness.

Get your ducks in a row, find a solicitor and fight for your children, they are going to need you.

Hoppinggreen · 15/08/2023 12:06

Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 12:01

Can someone link this post?

No, it was deleted for some reason

Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 12:07

9outof10cats · 15/08/2023 12:02

Where do the children factor in all of this? Does she spend any time with them or is most of the childcare left to you? I only ask because you write a lot about what she gets to do for her own fulfillment but little about what she does for the family.

I see her as a good mum and she wants the children to grow up consciously and free-spirited. I honestly think she'd take them out of school and home-school them if money was no object as she feels the school curriculum is constrains creativity and authenticity. She works part-time, spends two days a week with our 2-year-old. She works from home primarily so when the older ones get back from school, she tends to them too. I do pretty much all the after school hobbies and running around and I regularly have the children by myself for a day or two at the weekend as she's often working away. It's hard at times but I've never complained as it's work at the end of the day.

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Cherryana · 15/08/2023 12:08

I have an enlightened friend…I can’t stand being around him - he talks such utter codshit because it has no substance. The substance is found in the action - the grind and commitment not in the idea itself.

She has filled her head with one way of thinking - she is in a bubble and it gets reinforced by all the other financially affluent women in the podcasts and at the events because there is a deep privilege connected to this lifestyle. She has been able to pursue it because of your amenability, financial support and practical help.

This may sound ott but I would be looking in to how to communicate with people enmeshed in cults because it’s hard to know if she really wants to blow up her family life or is delusional.

And yes - small children, working is ships passing in the night but it sounds like you both have a lot which is worth working for and it does get better.

Fraaahnces · 15/08/2023 12:09

Oh, you know the saying “When people tell you who they are, believe them.”? -: I have discovered that this does not apply to people who tell you that that are an “empath”, “highly spiritual” and “generous to a fault”.
She sounds like she has her head up her arse.

Weddingpuzzle · 15/08/2023 12:14

I find it very difficult when people use language such as enlightenment, personal growth, authenticity and 'stepping into who you are meant to be' when that means you walk all over the people closest to you to get it. You and your DC are suffering because she wants to subvert the norms of society? That is NOT being a good person. That is shitting on people who you are living with and meant to love.