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Wife feeling disconnected and growing apart, with a plot twist

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Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 11:11

Long time poster / reader but have set up a new account to post this.

I was hit with a bombshell over the weekend. I was putting our 2-year-old to bed when my wife walked in and put a few pieces of paper on the cabinet next to me saying 'please read this when you're done and then we can talk downstairs'. For context, we've been together 18 years having met at Uni. Married 11 years, three young children aged 2, 6, 9. I'm 38, she's 36.

Added context before I get to the letter... we haven't been 'happy' for 12-18 months and we've had a couple of big heart to heart chats in that time. We have lots of nice moments but most of the time we're just passing ships, running around after the kids, ferrying them from hobby to hobby. Sex has slowed down to once a month not helped by our 2yo co-sleeping in between us. Cost of living has also been a factor adding financial pressure, for reference I bring in 75% of the household income. I maybe naively just thought this tricky period was normal for married couples with young children and we'd muddle through it, in my head I've thought it's what all parents go through and we'll come out the other side of it. We rarely ever argue but I think that's largely because we just don't communicate enough and it turns into indifference.

So to the letter... she started by saying how much she loves me and that I'm a great dad and how we've experienced so much joy together for so long. She wrote about all the positive aspects of our relationship but I knew there was a 'but' coming. I was on page two of six... I knew there was a big but coming.

She said she has deep heaviness in her heart about there being an unspoken distance and disconnection between us. That she's feeling resistance in our relationship and can feel change happening within her. In her words, she wants a conscious relationship that brings deep intimacy to her mind, body and spirit. A divine union with greater levels of connection and to take love and joy to another level. She says it feels like we are two souls on a different paths with different interests that bring us joy.

Now this doesn't surprise me. It's been her line of work for the last 5-6 years... she's a female empowerment coach, yoga teacher, all-round spiritual guru, helping women connect with true authenticity etc. She immerses herself in podcasts, Instagram reels, books and all kinds of content on these themes and all centred around personal growth and stepping into 'who you're meant to be'. She wakes up early to meditate while I'm doing breakfast with the kids. She walks around with earpods in listening to the latest podcast on empowerment, self-love, etc. I've lost track of the amount of times I've tried to talk to her and then realise she can't hear me.

She has changed so much in recent years... she talks about being confined by society's expectations and constitutions on marriage, education, religion etc. She grew up in the church where she was told what a good woman is, what a good woman does, don't be too sexual, don't be provocative, don't be this, don't be that, etc. And I think a lot stems from there... she tells me she's craving freedom as she's never had it.

I don't resent this work... I've supported her in this. I've seen how this work lights her up and I'm proud of her because I feel like this is her true calling, working with women. But I've always felt like she was doing this work for the betterment of not just herself but for us as a family... that as she grows, we grow together not just financially but emotionally too. Whereas now it feels like she's just zooming away from me in a different direction and leaving me behind. For the record, I don't meditate, I don't do yoga, I'm not checking in daily on my 'growth plan' or having ice cold showers to energise myself. I'm just a decent normal hard-working guy who loves his wife and kids and provides for his family. I'm very hands-on with the kids - I do a lot. I've always seen domestic responsibilities as a partnership thing and not something that guys should 'help out' with or 'chip in' with. I fully play my part here.

Anyway, as the letter went on, she spoke about how she's terrified about the way she's feeling because she loves me but that we're here to live life to the fullest as we only get once chance at life. That we both deserve to feel deep love and connection and she doesn't know if our marriage can provide that... equally she admits we could expand and grow together in ways we haven't already.

Then came the bolt from the blue and I still don't know how to feel about it. Quick bit of pre-context... I trust her implicitly. Like, 100%. She's an incredibly spiritual and wholesome person with a heart of gold. Infidelity has never ever crossed my mind. And then I got to the next paragraph where she said she's been suppressing something for months and she's tried to push it down but it won't go away. That she's been having real desires to explore with women sexually. That fantasies are filling her head and she doesn't know if it's something she needs to explore and get out of her system or if it's more than that.

When we spoke after I read the letter, I told her I was feeling shellshocked. That my life has been turned upside down as I didn't see this coming. I asked her if there was a particular woman that had made her feel this way and she admitted there's a woman she met at an event and they hugged and there was an 'insane energy' between them and they'd been messaging for months since the event. My wife had told her she was feeling confused and had feelings for her. I can't tell you how this made me feel... it was like cheating but not cheating? I felt sick... emotional... confused... even stupid. I don't know how to play this from here. We love each other but we're not on the same page. It's clear she wants me to be something else and join her on her 'awakening journey' but I'm now growing to resent it for what it's doing to us as a family. She will go away on retreats for days and leave me with the kids, then when she gets back to a chaotic house it's like she wishes she didn't have to return home... whereas in my mind, this is real life, a chaotic home with young children is real life and to me, life isn't just about retreats and what you see on Instagram reels and fancy quotes on idealistic backgrounds. I'm willing to work on our relationship and meet her either halfway or someway but is that me being a subservient doormat? I don't want to lose her and break-up our family, it's not an option for me, I don't see myself with anyone else. But equally, I'm not sure I can be the person she wants me to be. I slept for 2 hours the night we had this discussion... I cannot remember the last time I cried but I couldn't help myself, pure uncontrollable sobbing that I have never experienced before. We spoke about counselling and we're going to give it a try but in my head I'm wondering if she's already checked out...

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LivMumsnet · 15/08/2023 12:16

Thanks for all the reports. We can see that the OP has many previously banned accounts so we've now banned them again and will be removing the thread shortly.

LilyMumsnet · 15/08/2023 16:32

Hi all

We've checked things out behind the scenes and we're going to open this thread again now.

Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 16:58

Thanks Lily... I had a couple of expired accounts in other names to ask confidential questions under anonymity, I appreciate the understanding! :)

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roses321 · 15/08/2023 17:57

Oh so there are decent men out there? Thanks for showing that. It gives me hope.
I'm sorry your wife is a narcissistic idiot who is in no way enlightened and is only finding excuses to pursue her own selfish desires.

She's willingly shut herself out of her life with you, so i'm sure being so enlightened she can see that she's done that - funny there was no mention of that in her letter though or any other accountability for her own behaviour being part of the reason you are so distant from one another.

Odd.... I thought she may have all the answers given that she's so spiritually aware.

Zanatdy · 15/08/2023 18:22

It’s an emotional affair for sure; whether it’s with a man or woman it’s still cheating and she can dress it all she likes. Tell her you want to split and are going for 50-50. Don’t let her walk all over you

Bringonthesunforthewashing · 15/08/2023 19:44

ClaraBourne · 15/08/2023 11:29

So she's having an emotional affair and dressed it up as some kind of spiritual awakening that she needs.

What a crock of shit. See it for what it is.

This must be shocking for you but please don't treat her with kid gloves because of the way she had told you. It's incredibly manipulative.

Yep, that pretty much sums up exactly what has happened I am afraid x

Exasperatednow · 15/08/2023 21:56

I know you think your wife is good at her job but I would disagree as someone working in the coaching field.
Does she have professional supervision for her practice? How does she maintain boundaries?
She is also not practicing 'authenticity', if it means she's essentially checked out of her life and leaving you to it.

She is having an emotional affair and dressing it up as something else. Not very authentic.

And what about your 'empowerment' or is it only for her?

CapEBarra · 15/08/2023 22:08

Where I come from there’s an expression which describes when someone has become so self absorbed and self centred they lose their grip on reality and how they appear to the outside world, and that expression is ‘up your own hole’. OP, your wife has well and truly climbed up her own hole’. She’s also become a cheater - it doesn’t matter whether it’s a man or a woman. Your wife wants to cheat and she’s wrapped her own selfishness up in jumbo jumbo. In her letter I see an awful lot about rights, and not very much about responsibilities. Spiritual crap aside, she wants an open marriage or she wants to leave you.

Cheeseandlobster · 15/08/2023 22:30

This is the only thread I have ever seen come back after being removed 👏

Northby · 15/08/2023 22:34

I agree with everything PPs have said about her being narcissistic and delusional, and the point about this lifestyle choice stemming from a place of privilege. However, you've said a few times you want to work it out with her. My DH and I have very different interests but I do put myself out to learn a bit about the things that are really important to him. I just wonder if you engaged with some of the podcasts and ideas she does, would she be appreciative and feel more connected with you (and importantly for you, would she be more receptive to your POV?)? You could also engage with her in critical analysis of these podcasts and various tripe ideas she is absorbing if you listened to them, too. Perhaps you could thereby help her evolve to see the error of her ways…

tt9 · 15/08/2023 22:43

calling yourself a spiritual 'guru' doesn't make you one... especially when you behave like a self centred arse. she is clearly batshit.

LTB

honestly @Lonbarmos you deserve better. so do the kids.

BLT24 · 15/08/2023 22:54

Sounds like an emotional affair has already begun. She needs to make a decision and not leave you hanging. Set a deadline. Try marriage counselling if you are both on board.

Just to note, I wonder if you’ve ever noticed that you talk in a very condescending way about her spiritual journey, which may be contributing to the distance between you.

justasking111 · 15/08/2023 23:19

I'd assume that she's going to float off at some point leaving you with the children. Our friends wife did. Start investigating child care so you can continue to work

RandomForest · 15/08/2023 23:26

She's a con artist.

TheresAHedgehogInMySoup · 15/08/2023 23:41

OP, you might be want to check out Straight Partners Anonymous for support from others who have been through similar. Sorry this is happening to you.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2023 23:57

Op

  1. You sound lovely and thoughtful guy. I think you wouldn't have a problem finding a great second wife who actually fancies you and wants to have sex with you, a man, only if you do split.
  1. You're a hands on dad so good position to get 5050 custody.
  1. Your op reads as though the door is in her court- you waiting on her to decide what she wants to do with her life. What do YOU want and need in order for this relationship to continue? Set some boundaries and standards and be brave about asserting them. Not only is this attractive, it will also protect you . Get your own private therapy if you find this hard. In her words- life is too short, for you to be holding your breath while she makes up her mind about what path she wants to be on
Unexpectedlysinglemum · 16/08/2023 00:00

Ps please don't let her home school the kids.

Lonbarmos · 16/08/2023 00:10

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2023 23:57

Op

  1. You sound lovely and thoughtful guy. I think you wouldn't have a problem finding a great second wife who actually fancies you and wants to have sex with you, a man, only if you do split.
  1. You're a hands on dad so good position to get 5050 custody.
  1. Your op reads as though the door is in her court- you waiting on her to decide what she wants to do with her life. What do YOU want and need in order for this relationship to continue? Set some boundaries and standards and be brave about asserting them. Not only is this attractive, it will also protect you . Get your own private therapy if you find this hard. In her words- life is too short, for you to be holding your breath while she makes up her mind about what path she wants to be on

Appreciate these words, thank you. I have started working on my own personal wants, needs and self-worth. Primarily to help us in our marriage but also with a view of preparing myself for the worst.

And thank you to all other posters too; not all I agree with but it's all food for thought.

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TurkeyHolidayPlanning · 16/08/2023 00:19

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 15/08/2023 23:57

Op

  1. You sound lovely and thoughtful guy. I think you wouldn't have a problem finding a great second wife who actually fancies you and wants to have sex with you, a man, only if you do split.
  1. You're a hands on dad so good position to get 5050 custody.
  1. Your op reads as though the door is in her court- you waiting on her to decide what she wants to do with her life. What do YOU want and need in order for this relationship to continue? Set some boundaries and standards and be brave about asserting them. Not only is this attractive, it will also protect you . Get your own private therapy if you find this hard. In her words- life is too short, for you to be holding your breath while she makes up her mind about what path she wants to be on

This

SleepPrettyDarling · 16/08/2023 00:30

I would have said ‘Cherchez La femme’ if a woman had written this post about her husband but lo, ‘La femme’ has already made an appearance.

Anecdotally, I do observe that some women, after intense child rearing years, do seek out some alternative to their current life, often vicarious living through their close female friends. Some women feel better understood by their female friends (especially new friends) and they develop intense connections, and domino-style relationships start to collapse. I’m sorry you are experiencing this. You’re not the first; you won’t be the last. If she doesn’t want to ride it out, and it sounds like she’s mentally setting out on a different path, then things are already beyond rescue, I’m afraid.

CallieQ · 16/08/2023 00:44

She sounds awful... why couldn't she sit down and talk to you

porridgeisbae · 16/08/2023 00:49

People into 'personal development' can become quite self absorbed and it's all about what they feel guided to do (which often is self-indulgent.)

She's leaving you to do a lot of the actual work of running a family.

And she probably feels sthpiritually superior to you unfortunately, because you're down to earth and don't do this stuff.

Deathbyfluffy · 16/08/2023 00:58

BLT24 · 15/08/2023 22:54

Sounds like an emotional affair has already begun. She needs to make a decision and not leave you hanging. Set a deadline. Try marriage counselling if you are both on board.

Just to note, I wonder if you’ve ever noticed that you talk in a very condescending way about her spiritual journey, which may be contributing to the distance between you.

He probably doesn’t talk that nicely about her because she’s a prick, to be fair

MumGMT · 16/08/2023 01:25

it was like cheating but not cheating?

It is cheating. And I think her whole letter sounds highly manipulative.

I know a few people on a spiritual journey etc. and they're great people. They are all about deep connections but they deepen the connections with their family, friends and the people that they help. They don't go seeking out other sexual partners or feeling entitled to that.

This is about her sexual desires, and it's disingenuous of her and pretty sickening to imply otherwise.

I can't see her being a very good coach if she doesn't like to live in the real world sometimes too. It's easy if you're sitting in a yurt or getting to meditate in peace and listen to podcasts all day long, but there's no challenge so you're not really growing.

Canisaysomething · 16/08/2023 01:28

I just can't get over the fact she wrote you a letter. It just stinks of "woe is me".