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Wife feeling disconnected and growing apart, with a plot twist

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Lonbarmos · 15/08/2023 11:11

Long time poster / reader but have set up a new account to post this.

I was hit with a bombshell over the weekend. I was putting our 2-year-old to bed when my wife walked in and put a few pieces of paper on the cabinet next to me saying 'please read this when you're done and then we can talk downstairs'. For context, we've been together 18 years having met at Uni. Married 11 years, three young children aged 2, 6, 9. I'm 38, she's 36.

Added context before I get to the letter... we haven't been 'happy' for 12-18 months and we've had a couple of big heart to heart chats in that time. We have lots of nice moments but most of the time we're just passing ships, running around after the kids, ferrying them from hobby to hobby. Sex has slowed down to once a month not helped by our 2yo co-sleeping in between us. Cost of living has also been a factor adding financial pressure, for reference I bring in 75% of the household income. I maybe naively just thought this tricky period was normal for married couples with young children and we'd muddle through it, in my head I've thought it's what all parents go through and we'll come out the other side of it. We rarely ever argue but I think that's largely because we just don't communicate enough and it turns into indifference.

So to the letter... she started by saying how much she loves me and that I'm a great dad and how we've experienced so much joy together for so long. She wrote about all the positive aspects of our relationship but I knew there was a 'but' coming. I was on page two of six... I knew there was a big but coming.

She said she has deep heaviness in her heart about there being an unspoken distance and disconnection between us. That she's feeling resistance in our relationship and can feel change happening within her. In her words, she wants a conscious relationship that brings deep intimacy to her mind, body and spirit. A divine union with greater levels of connection and to take love and joy to another level. She says it feels like we are two souls on a different paths with different interests that bring us joy.

Now this doesn't surprise me. It's been her line of work for the last 5-6 years... she's a female empowerment coach, yoga teacher, all-round spiritual guru, helping women connect with true authenticity etc. She immerses herself in podcasts, Instagram reels, books and all kinds of content on these themes and all centred around personal growth and stepping into 'who you're meant to be'. She wakes up early to meditate while I'm doing breakfast with the kids. She walks around with earpods in listening to the latest podcast on empowerment, self-love, etc. I've lost track of the amount of times I've tried to talk to her and then realise she can't hear me.

She has changed so much in recent years... she talks about being confined by society's expectations and constitutions on marriage, education, religion etc. She grew up in the church where she was told what a good woman is, what a good woman does, don't be too sexual, don't be provocative, don't be this, don't be that, etc. And I think a lot stems from there... she tells me she's craving freedom as she's never had it.

I don't resent this work... I've supported her in this. I've seen how this work lights her up and I'm proud of her because I feel like this is her true calling, working with women. But I've always felt like she was doing this work for the betterment of not just herself but for us as a family... that as she grows, we grow together not just financially but emotionally too. Whereas now it feels like she's just zooming away from me in a different direction and leaving me behind. For the record, I don't meditate, I don't do yoga, I'm not checking in daily on my 'growth plan' or having ice cold showers to energise myself. I'm just a decent normal hard-working guy who loves his wife and kids and provides for his family. I'm very hands-on with the kids - I do a lot. I've always seen domestic responsibilities as a partnership thing and not something that guys should 'help out' with or 'chip in' with. I fully play my part here.

Anyway, as the letter went on, she spoke about how she's terrified about the way she's feeling because she loves me but that we're here to live life to the fullest as we only get once chance at life. That we both deserve to feel deep love and connection and she doesn't know if our marriage can provide that... equally she admits we could expand and grow together in ways we haven't already.

Then came the bolt from the blue and I still don't know how to feel about it. Quick bit of pre-context... I trust her implicitly. Like, 100%. She's an incredibly spiritual and wholesome person with a heart of gold. Infidelity has never ever crossed my mind. And then I got to the next paragraph where she said she's been suppressing something for months and she's tried to push it down but it won't go away. That she's been having real desires to explore with women sexually. That fantasies are filling her head and she doesn't know if it's something she needs to explore and get out of her system or if it's more than that.

When we spoke after I read the letter, I told her I was feeling shellshocked. That my life has been turned upside down as I didn't see this coming. I asked her if there was a particular woman that had made her feel this way and she admitted there's a woman she met at an event and they hugged and there was an 'insane energy' between them and they'd been messaging for months since the event. My wife had told her she was feeling confused and had feelings for her. I can't tell you how this made me feel... it was like cheating but not cheating? I felt sick... emotional... confused... even stupid. I don't know how to play this from here. We love each other but we're not on the same page. It's clear she wants me to be something else and join her on her 'awakening journey' but I'm now growing to resent it for what it's doing to us as a family. She will go away on retreats for days and leave me with the kids, then when she gets back to a chaotic house it's like she wishes she didn't have to return home... whereas in my mind, this is real life, a chaotic home with young children is real life and to me, life isn't just about retreats and what you see on Instagram reels and fancy quotes on idealistic backgrounds. I'm willing to work on our relationship and meet her either halfway or someway but is that me being a subservient doormat? I don't want to lose her and break-up our family, it's not an option for me, I don't see myself with anyone else. But equally, I'm not sure I can be the person she wants me to be. I slept for 2 hours the night we had this discussion... I cannot remember the last time I cried but I couldn't help myself, pure uncontrollable sobbing that I have never experienced before. We spoke about counselling and we're going to give it a try but in my head I'm wondering if she's already checked out...

OP posts:
Adhdandme1 · 16/08/2023 08:27

Lots of spiritual people are unkind.

Very unkind.

They construct a ‘kind’ exterior but any semblance of natal fibre is paper-thin in reality.

I love the saying: ‘people will forget what you said but they never forget how you made them feel.’

Spiritually is often used as a shield for accountability and you have to have had your fingers burnt by it to be able to fully see through the bs.

These childish interpretations of reality are for adults who haven’t grown out of playing pretend. The tragedy is they all egg each other on in this game.

I’ve seen so many relationships destroyed by people who justify their destructive behaviour with appropriated language/word salad, adopted from some thin, orthorexic, mercenary person with non-integrated sexuality who is usually just a preachy, white westerner dressed in expensive floaty garments.

Adhdandme1 · 16/08/2023 08:27

Moral * not natal

Adhdandme1 · 16/08/2023 08:28

Thisistyresome · 16/08/2023 08:01

Simple solution, you need to prep for divorce.

Start by dividing all time 50:50 so you do child carte one day she does it the other. Move as if you will be separating tomorrow. Tell her she need to up her days working and you need to potentially look at moving to part time work to cover more with the 2 year old.

She is trying to jump you in to a situation that will make you unhappy. You need to set in place the norm of what divorced 50:50 custody will look like. It may wake her up and take responsibility, or it may just make transition to divorce cleaner. What ever it does it gets you moving.

Couldn’t agree more. 👊🏼

Newnamehiwhodis · 16/08/2023 08:32

Maybe you should listen to her.
maybe you should also put in some work and not expect your wife to stay trapped by the patriarchy. Have you done work on yourself as a man?
she doesn’t exist just to please you.
“I can’t count how many times I’ve said something to her and not realized she can’t hear me.”

sounds a bit babyish and resentful, tbh. Oh she is listening to a podcast, and you just decided you should be heard because you’re in the room?

men are so used to this. When they speak, by god, everyone needs to drop everything they’re doing and make the man the center of their full attention.

maybe do some work on yourself and learn about how warped the patriarchy is.

Patchworksack · 16/08/2023 08:34

I’ve watched this situation unfold with the sexes reversed amongst my Uni friends. Strict Christian upbringing, married young, then years later he confessed he was gay - a lot of quasi spiritual enlightening stuff - chucked in his job, ran off to an island with his male partner. A lot of #livingmybestlife because #leftwifeandkidsintheshit doesn’t go down so well. Years on it all seems amicable - so while I think your wife is behaving badly by not being honest about it all it may well be she felt forced into marriage/motherhood by expectations of her family/the church and it doesn’t feel authentic.
I second the suggestion that you get deeply practical now - she doesn’t get to waft about being spiritual - if you split she needs to be making plans to have the children 50-50 and to be fully supporting them for her 50% of the time which means increasing her income. Or she buckles down to working on your marriage, remaining faithful and being present at home to work on your connection. Stop letting her remove herself from the reality that three small children is just hard work sometimes! Good luck.

Mutinyonthecrunchie · 16/08/2023 08:59

I would seriously be looking at finances and getting things together, possibly take advice from solicitor and then tell her I wanted a divorce. She really is mugging you off with this enlightment shite. Emotionally cheating and checking out of your marriage.
Life will be tough intitially but it will get better without this selfish woman, bleating on a load of nonsense about her 'insane connections'.

Mutinyonthecrunchie · 16/08/2023 09:02

Another waffle type up thread 🙄

Kweeky · 16/08/2023 09:11

Mutinyonthecrunchie · 16/08/2023 08:59

I would seriously be looking at finances and getting things together, possibly take advice from solicitor and then tell her I wanted a divorce. She really is mugging you off with this enlightment shite. Emotionally cheating and checking out of your marriage.
Life will be tough intitially but it will get better without this selfish woman, bleating on a load of nonsense about her 'insane connections'.

I agree with this. She's fallen for another woman. She's disguising it as 'finding herself' as it's probably difficult for her to get her head round.
She has a 2 year old so this must be quite a new relationship.
But how are you going to manage childcare as a single Dad, Who is moving out? how will your life be.
This ridiculous letter writing looks as if she has her head in the clouds - you need to get yours seriously down to earth and plan what's best for YOU and the DCs. Not her and her affair. Don't let her call the shots at your expense - emotionally and financially.

Messyhair321 · 16/08/2023 09:16

Adhdandme1 · 16/08/2023 08:27

Lots of spiritual people are unkind.

Very unkind.

They construct a ‘kind’ exterior but any semblance of natal fibre is paper-thin in reality.

I love the saying: ‘people will forget what you said but they never forget how you made them feel.’

Spiritually is often used as a shield for accountability and you have to have had your fingers burnt by it to be able to fully see through the bs.

These childish interpretations of reality are for adults who haven’t grown out of playing pretend. The tragedy is they all egg each other on in this game.

I’ve seen so many relationships destroyed by people who justify their destructive behaviour with appropriated language/word salad, adopted from some thin, orthorexic, mercenary person with non-integrated sexuality who is usually just a preachy, white westerner dressed in expensive floaty garments.

This sounds right

Wheresthebloomingsummersunshine · 16/08/2023 09:19

She's full of self absorbed, navel gazing shit hiding the fact she wants to or is already having an affair. OW or OM is irrelevant. Her actions speak louder than all her pretentious words. Line up your ducks, seperate, childcare 50:50.

Messyhair321 · 16/08/2023 09:23

You sound like a nice guy & good father & husband. In contrast I'm afraid your wife sounds like an entitled child. And I know it's not that simple to you.
I'm sorry that you're going through this. But I think you have to try to take control of this, because it's only going one way. Sorry but I think you have to listen to what she's really saying, and then listen to your own needs, and focus on what is best for you & your children.

Personally I think you should get out.

Alcemeg · 16/08/2023 09:27

Cheeseandlobster · 15/08/2023 22:30

This is the only thread I have ever seen come back after being removed 👏

OP it's a shame you can't impress your DW with your miraculous powers to rise from the dead!

Like PPs I think she already knows what she wants to do. The problem for her (and for you, on the receiving end), is that she must find a way to dress it up as something spiritual and pure. Be prepared to get tangled up in all kinds of hypocritical and undermining comments.

Mischance · 16/08/2023 09:33

I cannot bear people who are trying to "find themselves." This sort of navel-gazing is so selfish.

I have a friend who goes on so many retreats that I have to ask myself which retreat she is retreating from today.

Life is life - you have to roll up your sleeves and live it, not head off into Care Bear land.

I would be furious with her. There are children involved here and she is prioritising some sort of introspective "journey" over their well-being. If she's got a part time job and 3 children she should not have time for writing 6 page letters!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 16/08/2023 09:48

CheekyHobson · 16/08/2023 04:47

Honestly she sounds like a self-absorbed twat. Let her go off to plumb the depths of her spiritual self.

Decent single dads are thin on the ground so I expect you will be spoiled for choice when it comes to finding someone less epically self-centered. My money is on her regretting the decision within five years.

Agree. I would love to meet someone nice like op when I start dating again!

hungrycrocodile23 · 16/08/2023 09:49

The way I see it you have two options.

You give her the go ahead to do what she wants in which case she'll be happy for a while but you will be beside yourself. You'll be funding her lifestyle and looking after her dc while she's out shagging who she wants in the name of finding herself. It will be a miserable life for you and eventually she'll lose all respect for you as you'll be acting like a complete doormat.

You object to her requests. In which case you will be the bad person in her eyes for suppressing her and not allowing her to fulfil her desires. She will probably be resentful to you and the marriage will be doomed.

Neither is great in terms of the marriage surviving to be honest. Your wife needs to get her head out of the clouds and accept that she has kids and responsibilities.

VictoriaVenkman · 16/08/2023 10:17

I think the whole spiritual thing is a bit of a red herring. You met young and maybe she feels as if she has missed out on experiencing life and is using the spirituality as escapism from the reality of married life with kids.

bjrce · 16/08/2023 10:18

When I saw the details of the letter she wrote to you - the first thig that jumped out at me was - there was absolutely no mention of your DC.

It was all about her and her "quest for happiness". FFS! I know you love her but it sounds like she wants to pursue her gay relationship and the longer you allow her to behave in this way - the worse its going to get for you. She is a very selfish person.

I would offer her a divorce and tell her she can go off and life in a caravan with her gay lover - tell her you support her in her quest for self fulfilment as you now plan to embark on your own journey of self fulfilment in finding your own soulmate you can offer you real love and the support you desire.

Ask her how she plans to take care of/ support the kids in this new arrangement as she won't be welcome in the family home as you will need to take over the lions share of raising the kids.

Give her a dose of reality - she's full of shit. The biggest mistake you made up to now is you've been enabling her to live in a fantasy world and delusions of the "Perfect life" she seeks. Thing is - there's no such thing we all change and adapt as people as we grow in relationships meet challenges - she doesn't want any of that.

On a side note - how many weekends do you get to go off and " find yourself!" and work on your "Self-fulfilment" and attend a few retreats" I think I already know the answer to that one.

Wherearemymarbles · 16/08/2023 10:51

She is living in cloud cuckoo land and would be better off going to live in Pune.
You’re doing the hard graft so she doesn't have to
Allowing the marriage to ‘grow and evolve’ means allowing her to have sex with women. I suspect this woman isnt the 1st to havec turned her head.
Trying asking her if she would allow you to grow spiritually by experiencing sex with men….

Anyway you need to stand up for what you want and the kids need and if she wont join you in this she can fuck off. You’d be happier without her

good luck

Dery · 16/08/2023 12:12

“I think the whole spiritual thing is a bit of a red herring. You met young and maybe she feels as if she has missed out on experiencing life and is using the spirituality as escapism from the reality of married life with kids.”

This. You may have been a bit dismissive of her yoga, meditation and so forth (but why is she meditating during breakfast!?). But in the end, she is desperate to dress up her wish to be unfaithful as some kind of spiritual growth. No-one is fooled. She needs to own it for what it is in real terms. You and she can then between you work out where it leaves your relationship and whether you should be preparing to split and co-parent.

Didntmeanto6 · 16/08/2023 12:20

She sounds like a class A bullshitter who play acts at having a job when really she is just trying to monetise her narcissism.

She is cheating on you and doesn't pull her weight.

She isn't a person with a heart of gold, she exploits you and she exploits her "clients". She preaches authenticity but lives a lie.

Medsy · 16/08/2023 12:38

Oh look, another woman who has lived her life by pure convention (marriage, kids, husband paying the bills) making money off advocating a way of life she knows nothing about. So now she has all the emotional and financial security and social status of having done things the conventional way, she wants to safely experiment with "other ways of being".
The only women I respect to serve as gurus in that regard are the women who have walked that path from the very start, despite the complications and difficulties it brings.

boredandalone · 16/08/2023 13:01

Medsy · 16/08/2023 12:38

Oh look, another woman who has lived her life by pure convention (marriage, kids, husband paying the bills) making money off advocating a way of life she knows nothing about. So now she has all the emotional and financial security and social status of having done things the conventional way, she wants to safely experiment with "other ways of being".
The only women I respect to serve as gurus in that regard are the women who have walked that path from the very start, despite the complications and difficulties it brings.

This woman sounds like she needs a good reality check, but I think having the conviction to follow your own path from an early age comes with its own form of privilege. Being raised in a church, or with abuse, or in poverty, alongside all the social expectations most of us grew up with in the '90s would have made a traditional life of marriage and a few kids quite an attractive one.

I don't think it's wrong that she's seeking 'enlightenment' as the dust is settling after having their third child, taking stock of the shape of her life and seeing how she wants to find fulfilment with her life. It's that she is turning that energy outward instead of putting it back into the family, particularly in light of it seeming like it's the financial and emotional support of her husband which has given her the opportunity to do this soul searching.

OP, stand up to her and make her reckon with the fact that she wants your permission to have an affair, off the back of all of your emotional, financial, and physical support. That might make her realise how selfish she is being.

WallaceinAnderland · 16/08/2023 13:36

The plot twist was no surprise to me. In fact until you said you were a guy I thought you were a woman too. I was wondering which of you had the babies as that has a massive impact on physical and emotional wellbeing.

However, it sounds like she's done with babies now and doesn't need your sperm any more. Sorry to be blunt but she's got what she wanted and she's cheating on you.

I don't mean to be harsh but when someone tells you categorically and in so much detail how they don't respect you, it's time to walk away.

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Adhdandme1 · 16/08/2023 15:03

I think if anyone’s attaining enlightenment in your household it’s you op!

If DH left me to do breakfast with 3 small children whilst he meditated in another room, I’d been booting him off his meditation cushion and clashing prayer bowls in his ears, telling him in no uncertain terms that his spiritual practise from then on is showing up for the monotonous shit show that breakfast at 5:45am with 3 small children is.

And all the other mini emotional rollercoasters you have to traverse each day with patience and love.

Honestly, she’s taking the effing piss!

MsMcGonagall · 16/08/2023 18:09

There's a lot of anger being expressed on this thread to support you OP.

You've been together since she was 18, so it is east to imagine how she is feeling some sense of looking over the fence to see if the grass is greener. I think you probably speak different love languages now too, you spoke about showing your love through providing financially and tangibly for the children and house. I would guess that she wants love to be shown more through words. She wrote you lots of words! But these dont mean so much to you because you want love shown through actions.

Anyway... in view of everything you have and value with her, why not try to see if there is a way forward. I think if there is, it is something around bridging these love languages. More talking from you, and more recognition from her around love shown through actions. Also, if she wants to give things a try, cutting communication with the emotional affair woman should be a prerequisite.

Otherwise... love often doesn't last for ever, you don't need to stay together if it is broken.