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Wife out all the time leaving me to watch DC. Is this OK?

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Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 09:50

Wow this became really long I’m sorry. Please read and help if you can.

I (M/42) and my wife (F/35) have been together for 11 years married for 8. We have two DD one just about 5 and one 3. I love my wife with all my heart so I’m feeling very down and lost at the moment.

Everything was fine until 2 years ago. My wife is a social butterfly who has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had (seriously - this is important later) so she always had plans in her diary months in advance. When it was just us that was absolutely fine - I would never tell her what to do, I’m not controlling or jealous etc. all I asked was she told me where in case she needed me. I genuinely do at least 30-40% of the housework
and I do every school run as I work from home. I’m a solicitor so I’m very busy from 8am - 7pm most days.

When we had DD1 after 2 years TTC I thought we were deliriously happy and all was great so we went on to have DD2. 9 months after DD2 was born my wife told me that actually she felt trapped and crushed at home and wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do.

At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like. I thought she would occasionally be required to do some fire duties or something and it would give her something exciting to do around our family. I supported her through the 6 weeks in total RESIDENTIAL courses and she got in at the 3rd time of trying. We even had to have a friend here every day for weeks so that I could work.

From this point on everything started to go down hill. It became an obsession - she couldn’t be at the station enough! Turns out they actually have to be on call for at least 84 hours per week and they have a roster that must be stuck to day and night. Also to get through probation they have to do a ton of write ups and quizzes and courses and community days etc. The shouts themselves are random and clustered so she says it’s not a big deal, but it’s everything that comes with it that caused an issue. It’s insidious and has worked it’s way into every aspect of our lives - she constantly thinks about it or is down there doing something for it and she’s admitted she has to be around it. They’re all the same not just her but it’s bizarre.

As a probie she was assigned a mentor - call him Bob. Bob (m/37) was going through a rough marriage breakup and my wife became his support network - this is very in character for her. The problem was she started going out socially with Bob to cheer him up and let him talk, first with other friends or colleagues, then alone. I trusted her implicitly and again would never say no to her doing things. Now my wife is a bit of a ladette and to be in that make environment you have to be, so she can be very inappropriate with innocent sexual banter etc. All fine I know her.

The issues started when people kept insinuating that her and Bob were having an affair as they had become so close and the sexual jokes escalated. Friends even noticed and her boss called her into the office to tell her to tone it down - he even suggested we must have an open marriage it had gone that far! I then began to think “if everyone else is saying it, should I be worried?!” And this thought escalated into total paranoia about it. Rationally I trusted her, irrationally I was terrified she was cheating. We didn’t even have sex for 7 months.

this went on for a year before I finally confronted her about it. She was shocked and had no idea I felt this way. We cried and talked and I believe her nothing happened with Bob or anyone else, but this was just one issue we resolved. The other issue was the time she spent at the station. I genuinely felt like it was her main priority consuming 50% of her time, our DC came joint second with her phone (everyone comments on her phone useage) and I came last as under 5% of her priority. She was shocked by this too and things have been better. She kept saying she would quit the fire (which secretly I would love but would never make her do) but I know if she did she would just resent me and we’d be over within 6 months anyway as a result. The only option is to keep the fire and be secretly unhappy with its negative effect on our relationship whilst smiling and insisting all is now OK.

Now as I said she’s a social butterfly and never loses touch with anyone. So throughout all of this she is also out 2-3 nights per week (and almost every daytime too) with her other friends. This continues even now - this next week she’s out 6 nights out of 7 for example. This means I have no friends and never go out as I watch the children and do every bed time (she has genuinely done less than 10% of all bedtimes ever). This has left me feeling lonely and isolated and more like a convenient babysitter than a husband and father.

since our chats we’ve been much better, had very regular sex and told each other regularly how much we love each other. We’ve had some date nights and I’ve surprised her with a trip to Paris for our anniversary next month.

But her going out habits haven’t changed at all so I’m still stuck at home alone most of the time with nothing but my thoughts and I can’t go out as our DC are asleep upstairs. Last night for example she had an old work leaving party - she said she didn’t want to go, was telling me she was bored at 10pm but didn’t roll in drunk until 2.30am. I hadn’t slept as I kept expecting her back based on her texts. She’s now hungover so today (family day) is wasted as she can’t do anything anyway.

I’ve tried to tell her it’s too much in a nice way - “just remember we like to see you too haha”
or similar, but I genuinely feel like she’d rather do stuff with anyone but me even though she insists thats not true. We’ve never stayed out until 2.30am together and if I ever suggested it she would say no as she’d be too tired!

She recently mentioned wanting to go on a Butlins adult weekender with Bob as his ‘best friend’ and for the first time ever I had to say no to her. It sent my anxiety through the roof. I agonised over this and actually felt bad but I think this is a hard line and frankly not something I should even have to say - where is her respect for my feelings or our marriage?! She of course said she feels controlled now and she wants it to be like it was where “she could do anything she felt like and it was all OK” (her words). Don’t forget that this is all on top of her other plans with people - at least twice per week, plus the fire drill night every Thursday. She’s also now started arranging events with some new people she’s met on top of all the other stuff. I’m genuinely starting to wonder where I fit in, but she tells me I’m just being stupid and “she can’t stay home all the time”.

So, am I being unreasonable here? Should I let her do whatever she wants without issue? I genuinely could not be controlling it’s just not me, but I’m going insane with loneliness in my own marriage. If I can’t have my wife I don’t want anyone so I don’t want to find someone else to be happy with ever, but my heart is breaking here and I also feel like I already don’t have her and I’m just the glorified help and that being out 4-7 nights each week is not OK. She just tells me I’m being silly or unreasonable.

tl:dr wife always out with others I’m a live in helper is this OK.

OP posts:
Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 09:52

Forgot to add that we also have a cleaner that does 20-30% of the housework too, so my wife isn’t under the cosh keeping the house going either.

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parietal · 23/07/2023 09:53

You should get the same amount of leisure time as her, so if she goes out 2 nights than you should be able to as well.

What are your childcare arrangements? How often can you get a babysitter and both go out?

Gobimanchurian · 23/07/2023 09:57

It's not ok. She wants to live as if she's single but have all the benefits of a stable family home to fall back into. Doesn't seem she's invested in (or gets satisfaction from) spending time with you or the kids.

If this were a woman posting about a man the universal response would be LTB.

A generous response would be to suggest couples counselling, middle ground would be an ultimatum with some boundaries as to how much time in/out is acceptable, for each of you, how many bedtimes you should each do etc. I think even then she'd do it begrudgingly and resent you. Personally I'd think about exit plan and custody arrangements. It's not working.

Xrays · 23/07/2023 09:59

There is NO WAY I would put up with this. None. I can’t imagine anyone would think this was okay. Yes it’s fine to have a social life but if she’s out as much as you say she’s just completely checked out of family life and is using you as a babysitter. Regardless of anything else - you’re not happy. That’s enough to pull her up on it and if she wants this weird single type life then she will have to leave and let you have a chance of meeting someone who wants a family life like you do.

CatsSnore · 23/07/2023 10:00

This does sound unfair OP. I can be quite like your wife with the ladette stuff so I do understand how it feels to feel suffocated and want to be out like that. I love the pub and the banter. But she has two small dc and you. I think marriage counselling would really help you both as you're keeping things in and getting the shitty end of the stick, but you're also pretending to be happy when you're not. Your resentment will seep out in other ways.

I also think going to the butlins weekend would be a bad idea. I know exactly what happens on the butlins weekends and lines could get even more blurry between her and Bob.

You need both need fair amounts of free time, family time and couple time. I can't see how she can say that's unreasonable.

Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 10:01

parietal · 23/07/2023 09:53

You should get the same amount of leisure time as her, so if she goes out 2 nights than you should be able to as well.

What are your childcare arrangements? How often can you get a babysitter and both go out?

We have no one to help with childcare except friends - my family live 200 miles away here aren’t interested.

OP posts:
Thelonelygiraffe · 23/07/2023 10:05

Gobimanchurian · 23/07/2023 09:57

It's not ok. She wants to live as if she's single but have all the benefits of a stable family home to fall back into. Doesn't seem she's invested in (or gets satisfaction from) spending time with you or the kids.

If this were a woman posting about a man the universal response would be LTB.

A generous response would be to suggest couples counselling, middle ground would be an ultimatum with some boundaries as to how much time in/out is acceptable, for each of you, how many bedtimes you should each do etc. I think even then she'd do it begrudgingly and resent you. Personally I'd think about exit plan and custody arrangements. It's not working.

This! Couldn't have said it better.

She is completely U.

Mmmmdanone · 23/07/2023 10:06

She's incredibly selfish. I think you'd be better off without her tbh.

mollymaebae · 23/07/2023 10:06

This is absolutely not ok, I'm sorry this is happening to you OP. You sound like a good husband and dad and many women would be grateful to have someone like you. She is not actively sharing the responsibility at home and your poor DD not having their mum around much. I know someone like your wife, who does exactly the same thing and is out doing drugs and her husband has no idea what she is up to behind his back.

As for Bob, well it doesn't sound great does it, I wouldn't be surprised something has happened there, at the very least they be in an emotional affair.

I think you need to start planning what you're going to do to ensure you're own happiness and mental health and for your DD.

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 23/07/2023 10:08

I am very socialable and have regulwr meals out without DH but my god this is a whole new level op.

She is taking the piss.

Needanewnamebeingwatched · 23/07/2023 10:11

Wow, she has totally checked out of family life, your marriage and is probably having an affair at least an emotional affair.

Fuck that for a game of solders.

When does she see her children, and see needs to spend time with you as a couple AND you need time out to see friends as well.

This is not OK

She has one massive cake and is trying to stuff that beauty in her mouth whole!!

Justcallmebebes · 23/07/2023 10:18

What everyone else has said plus, no way in hell would my partner be going to a Butlins adult weekend with a "Bob" and if he did, the locks would be changed whilst he was gone

Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 10:19

Thank you for the replies so far. Although they’re not what I want to hear at least I know I’m not being controlling or unreasonable. I just feel so unhappy but scared of losing her too. All I want is my wife back and for her to prioritise our family but it seems from the comments that’s unlikely. I’m sick of crying alone in my office or our bed so I’m going to raise this again with her.

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thecatinthetwat · 23/07/2023 10:23

How many evenings is she out because of work vs social?

Backstreets · 23/07/2023 10:25

This sounds like a very untenable situation. I’m sorry op. She’s taking you for granted, and she’s taking the piss.

DéjàMoo82 · 23/07/2023 10:26

Agree with everything already said - I couldn't live like this. Calling you controlling for not wanting her to go away for a weekend with Bob is ridiculous and along with everything else just shows a complete lack of respect for your marriage. I would personally be issuing an ultimatum and sticking to it - what's the point in staying together if she's never present?

Shadesofscarlett · 23/07/2023 10:28

I cannot imagine her wanting a weekend with him unless she is cheating with him - talk about hiding in plain sight.

LondonPapa · 23/07/2023 10:33

Get your affairs in order and leave her. She is having an affair, you've clearly spelled it out for us all. Seriously, sort your stuff out, make sure the kids are looked after and go for divorce. Ideally, don't leave the family home and kick her out. Kids come first in all this after all. Hell, letting her go to Butlin's with Bob may be what's best so you can get rid of her.

Followwill · 23/07/2023 10:33

It's time to end the relationship. You talk about not wanting to lose her. It sounds like she is already gone! At least if you were on your own, you would still be on your own all of the time but you wouldn't have the simmering resentment.

Dery · 23/07/2023 10:33

Yep, @Dipped1981 - you’re not controlling. Your wife has checked out of family life and is utterly taking the piss. Those of us who have parented know that when you have children and especially when your children are young, you spend a great deal more time at home and with the family. It goes with the territory. She’s ridiculous and selfish to expect otherwise. And her weekend away with this guy - just no. If she won’t change, you may need to start planning to separate.

Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 10:34

Work every Thursday mandatory. Social can be anywhere from 2-6 times every single week

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NowItsLikeSnowAtTheBeach · 23/07/2023 10:35

I'd be making arrangements to end the marriage and keep primary custody of the children quietly. Document that you are the primary caregiver, etc. and start quietly keeping a record of how infrequently she is actually at home, with the children, etc.

That's the advice any woman would be receiving on here under the same circumstances, so it's the advice you should be getting as well.

PoliticallyIncorrectHitchling · 23/07/2023 10:37

She is taking the piss. She is living the single life and has the comfort of living with someone who is supportive but is being mistreated. Its abusive in a way OP and sorry about that. I think you should take the kids and leave. You deserve to have some one who loves you and isnt running away from you

MumGMT · 23/07/2023 10:38

It's gaslighting for her to call you controlling because you didn't want her going away with Bob.
She clearly has no respect for you.

If anything, her behaviour and lifestyle is controlling by stealth because you're stuck at home all the time while she does what she wants.

She sounds incredibly selfish. She clearly has no interest in having an active involvement in family life.

RedLem0nade · 23/07/2023 10:40

Agree with other posters. Your wife is not invested in your marriage or family life. It’s like she’s a teenager- happy to spend time when it suits her, knowing the family is waiting for her when she wants to dip in, but itching to go out and live her own life as much as possible.

To be brutal, you don’t have a marriage, you seem to have whatever the female equivalent of a cock lodger is.

Either marriage counselling (but only if she accepts there is a problem and wants to change in the direction of investing more of her time in her family) or ask her to move out. Even if you don’t want another relationship I think you could be a lot happier out of this one. Life holds so much promise and joy. Don’t let it pass you byFlowers

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