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Wife out all the time leaving me to watch DC. Is this OK?

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Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 09:50

Wow this became really long I’m sorry. Please read and help if you can.

I (M/42) and my wife (F/35) have been together for 11 years married for 8. We have two DD one just about 5 and one 3. I love my wife with all my heart so I’m feeling very down and lost at the moment.

Everything was fine until 2 years ago. My wife is a social butterfly who has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had (seriously - this is important later) so she always had plans in her diary months in advance. When it was just us that was absolutely fine - I would never tell her what to do, I’m not controlling or jealous etc. all I asked was she told me where in case she needed me. I genuinely do at least 30-40% of the housework
and I do every school run as I work from home. I’m a solicitor so I’m very busy from 8am - 7pm most days.

When we had DD1 after 2 years TTC I thought we were deliriously happy and all was great so we went on to have DD2. 9 months after DD2 was born my wife told me that actually she felt trapped and crushed at home and wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do.

At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like. I thought she would occasionally be required to do some fire duties or something and it would give her something exciting to do around our family. I supported her through the 6 weeks in total RESIDENTIAL courses and she got in at the 3rd time of trying. We even had to have a friend here every day for weeks so that I could work.

From this point on everything started to go down hill. It became an obsession - she couldn’t be at the station enough! Turns out they actually have to be on call for at least 84 hours per week and they have a roster that must be stuck to day and night. Also to get through probation they have to do a ton of write ups and quizzes and courses and community days etc. The shouts themselves are random and clustered so she says it’s not a big deal, but it’s everything that comes with it that caused an issue. It’s insidious and has worked it’s way into every aspect of our lives - she constantly thinks about it or is down there doing something for it and she’s admitted she has to be around it. They’re all the same not just her but it’s bizarre.

As a probie she was assigned a mentor - call him Bob. Bob (m/37) was going through a rough marriage breakup and my wife became his support network - this is very in character for her. The problem was she started going out socially with Bob to cheer him up and let him talk, first with other friends or colleagues, then alone. I trusted her implicitly and again would never say no to her doing things. Now my wife is a bit of a ladette and to be in that make environment you have to be, so she can be very inappropriate with innocent sexual banter etc. All fine I know her.

The issues started when people kept insinuating that her and Bob were having an affair as they had become so close and the sexual jokes escalated. Friends even noticed and her boss called her into the office to tell her to tone it down - he even suggested we must have an open marriage it had gone that far! I then began to think “if everyone else is saying it, should I be worried?!” And this thought escalated into total paranoia about it. Rationally I trusted her, irrationally I was terrified she was cheating. We didn’t even have sex for 7 months.

this went on for a year before I finally confronted her about it. She was shocked and had no idea I felt this way. We cried and talked and I believe her nothing happened with Bob or anyone else, but this was just one issue we resolved. The other issue was the time she spent at the station. I genuinely felt like it was her main priority consuming 50% of her time, our DC came joint second with her phone (everyone comments on her phone useage) and I came last as under 5% of her priority. She was shocked by this too and things have been better. She kept saying she would quit the fire (which secretly I would love but would never make her do) but I know if she did she would just resent me and we’d be over within 6 months anyway as a result. The only option is to keep the fire and be secretly unhappy with its negative effect on our relationship whilst smiling and insisting all is now OK.

Now as I said she’s a social butterfly and never loses touch with anyone. So throughout all of this she is also out 2-3 nights per week (and almost every daytime too) with her other friends. This continues even now - this next week she’s out 6 nights out of 7 for example. This means I have no friends and never go out as I watch the children and do every bed time (she has genuinely done less than 10% of all bedtimes ever). This has left me feeling lonely and isolated and more like a convenient babysitter than a husband and father.

since our chats we’ve been much better, had very regular sex and told each other regularly how much we love each other. We’ve had some date nights and I’ve surprised her with a trip to Paris for our anniversary next month.

But her going out habits haven’t changed at all so I’m still stuck at home alone most of the time with nothing but my thoughts and I can’t go out as our DC are asleep upstairs. Last night for example she had an old work leaving party - she said she didn’t want to go, was telling me she was bored at 10pm but didn’t roll in drunk until 2.30am. I hadn’t slept as I kept expecting her back based on her texts. She’s now hungover so today (family day) is wasted as she can’t do anything anyway.

I’ve tried to tell her it’s too much in a nice way - “just remember we like to see you too haha”
or similar, but I genuinely feel like she’d rather do stuff with anyone but me even though she insists thats not true. We’ve never stayed out until 2.30am together and if I ever suggested it she would say no as she’d be too tired!

She recently mentioned wanting to go on a Butlins adult weekender with Bob as his ‘best friend’ and for the first time ever I had to say no to her. It sent my anxiety through the roof. I agonised over this and actually felt bad but I think this is a hard line and frankly not something I should even have to say - where is her respect for my feelings or our marriage?! She of course said she feels controlled now and she wants it to be like it was where “she could do anything she felt like and it was all OK” (her words). Don’t forget that this is all on top of her other plans with people - at least twice per week, plus the fire drill night every Thursday. She’s also now started arranging events with some new people she’s met on top of all the other stuff. I’m genuinely starting to wonder where I fit in, but she tells me I’m just being stupid and “she can’t stay home all the time”.

So, am I being unreasonable here? Should I let her do whatever she wants without issue? I genuinely could not be controlling it’s just not me, but I’m going insane with loneliness in my own marriage. If I can’t have my wife I don’t want anyone so I don’t want to find someone else to be happy with ever, but my heart is breaking here and I also feel like I already don’t have her and I’m just the glorified help and that being out 4-7 nights each week is not OK. She just tells me I’m being silly or unreasonable.

tl:dr wife always out with others I’m a live in helper is this OK.

OP posts:
Unexpectedlysinglemum · 23/07/2023 11:42

I think this is all very unfair on you, but one thing is jumping out at me.
Have you talked with her about the frequency of her nights out?
You say she sounded surprised about other issues like your feelings about bob as you kept quiet so as not to seem controlling. I'm asking COULD it be that she has no idea you're unhappy with her going out so often? Maybe she has noticed you seem low but thinks you're moody /depressed?

It seems like communication is really hard for you as you're so worried at seeming like a controlling guy. This means that you are ignoreing your own needs and feelings. But she's not a mind reader. If you left now I think she would be surprised.
If you love her like you seem to, I think you should first have a very serious conversation about how unhappy you are in the marriage how it is unfair and what you think is reasonable nights out and that you need some nights out and some couples non hungover quality time too. Try this first she might agree to it!

AsterixAndPersimmon · 23/07/2023 11:42

She actually sounds like quite a neglectful parent if she’d prefer to be out every night and day rather than seeing her kids.

My understanding is that she is going out after the dcs are in bed so it’s not as if she is abandoning them. However, it does leave the OP on his own during the evening.
id have more issue with the weekend if she is spending a lot of the time recovering with her hangover. Because that means no time with the dcs and/or her DH. But then again, how many parents have hobbies that take them away for the whole day at the WE?

arethereanyleftatall · 23/07/2023 11:42

You love your memories of her and your fantasies of what she could be/sometimes is.

You can't possibly love what she actually is now, because she treats you like shit, which is what you've got of her.

We live only in the present.

AsterixAndPersimmon · 23/07/2023 11:45

@Unexpectedlysinglemum yep I think there is something about that going on.
But also now that the OP has accepted the status quo for years Wo saying anything, it will be very hard to change things. Because let’s be honest, who is happy to change a way of living that works for them?

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 23/07/2023 11:46

AsterixAndPersimmon · 23/07/2023 11:45

@Unexpectedlysinglemum yep I think there is something about that going on.
But also now that the OP has accepted the status quo for years Wo saying anything, it will be very hard to change things. Because let’s be honest, who is happy to change a way of living that works for them?

I think she should get a chance to change though, if he does still love her. She really might think he's introverted or loves his tv shows or whatever and doesn't miss her. She might also be having affair we don't know, but nor will OP until he at least tries to communicate his feelings to her. Doesn't sound like he has at all!

SindyisbetterthanBarbie · 23/07/2023 11:47

She's massively taking the mick and basically using you.

You would be happier if you left her, kids 50/50, she'll have no choice but to grow up and stop being so selfish, she how she likes that.

You deserve so much better

AHelpfulHand · 23/07/2023 11:53

Your a mug.

everyone around you knows it, that’s why they have been gently suggesting to you about how inappropriate she is with Bob.

it’s very disrespectful to your partner to flirt with another man or make any sexual comments.

are you not mortified that she had to be spoken to about her behaviour by her boss?

LB207 · 23/07/2023 11:53

The responses are pathetic.
if this was a man, who was out most nights and spending so time time with a women, the universal response would be to leave.
I cannot believe people are suggesting marriage counselling, the differing responses based of whether it’s a man or a woman are plain to see.
you need to leave and take your kids.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 23/07/2023 11:54

SindyisbetterthanBarbie · 23/07/2023 11:47

She's massively taking the mick and basically using you.

You would be happier if you left her, kids 50/50, she'll have no choice but to grow up and stop being so selfish, she how she likes that.

You deserve so much better

I agree he deserves better but he has never once told her he's not happy with the status quo - surely try to address that first before throwing whole marriage away as he seems to really want his marriage to work?

If that was me I'd say 'oh ok I totally see your point I'll just do one night a weeek out, uou make sure you have a night off too and we'll do a date night. The other four family dinners sure sounds good!' Rather than lose my husband

AHelpfulHand · 23/07/2023 11:54

LB207 · 23/07/2023 11:53

The responses are pathetic.
if this was a man, who was out most nights and spending so time time with a women, the universal response would be to leave.
I cannot believe people are suggesting marriage counselling, the differing responses based of whether it’s a man or a woman are plain to see.
you need to leave and take your kids.

This!!!!

your wife needs a kick up the arse.

do your kids even know who she is?

Autumnflakes · 23/07/2023 11:56

Call her bluff. Offer to hire a nanny for the weekend and then all of you can go to Butlins. You’ll know in that moment her true intentions.

Im sorry OP. You sound like a real decent guy. It’s not selfish wanting to spend some time with your wife.

IveHadItUpToHere · 23/07/2023 11:56

Your timescales are impossible. She can't be out with friends that much and also be at the station that much. You can't be working those hours and be a solicitor and doing school runs. Who is looking after the DCs when you're working till 7pm and your DW is out firefighting/socislising?
If any of this is true, you need to split up - you are flat mates not a couple or family - and you need to negotiate moving closer to family in the hope someone in your wider family actually prioritises and cares for the DCs.

CuriouslyDifferent · 23/07/2023 11:58

She doesn’t value you.

if I was you, I’d move out as part of a trial seperation.

you're going to be the blamed for everything IRL anyway, so may as well do the crime.

im impressed at mumsnet being fair to you, but I wouldn’t expect this in real life.

be a great dad from afar, make sure the kids needs are met and make sure you don’t make her life more rubbish than it’s going to be.

Being blunt, I don’t trust Bob as far as i can throw him, water fairies are reknown for their antics and extras on the side.

maybe she will grow up…. But gotta be honest, she’s the 1% of females that mirror the 80% of guys who are a holes.

FrontEnd · 23/07/2023 12:02

She's shagging Bob, neglecting kids and treating you like a fool. Sorry you're going through this...time for change.

OutnumberedByDogs · 23/07/2023 12:03

I wouldn’t stay in the relationship, she doesn’t want to spend any time with you. I wouldn’t bother with counselling, shes very clearly telling you that you and the children are not important enough to be with.

I love my friends, see them lots but I also want to spend time with my partner. Your wife can’t be spending much time with her children, so is a crap parent as well. Poor kids. I’d be very angry in your position but would have got rid of her long before now.

MorganFreemansVoice · 23/07/2023 12:11

Sorry OP, but you are being incredibly naive and credulous. She is cheating on you; I don't care what anyone else says. You might think you know your wife, but you are wrong. It is impossible to explain why she neglects her family if she is not cheating.

I was that 'Bob' at some point in my life (sorry for the pain I caused to others), and everything you said resonated with me deeply.

You must track her and see what is actually happening there. And also, remove the lid from your eyes.

Harrypewter · 23/07/2023 12:17

Ltb-you don't need the angst.
My ex-wife had a job plus extracurricular socialising which meant she wasn't at home much. No children, fine, post children, they were left with me. Long story short I left we co-parented 50/50.
She's in a relationship with someone at the moment who is basically doing what I was doing. The children are now older 11-12, both have requested to live with me from August due to the fact she's not present either physically or emotionally at any time.

I don't know why she's like this, and quite frankly I couldn't care less.

Cornishclio · 23/07/2023 12:17

Who looks after the children during the day while she is doing on call fire fighting?

It does sound like her priorities are her socialising and the fire fighting and she has decided marriage and children are less exciting. Can you ask her to keep at least one night free a week for you and her to just have a nice meal and watch a movie and some weekend time for family? I would also say how does she pay for all this socialising?

It does not sound like you are controlling or unreasonable so I think you have to ask her to make you and your children more of a priority or your marriage will not survive. No one is saying she cannot go out but surely from a time and money perspective there needs to be limits. If she won't change I think I would leave as I couldn't be with someone who valued me so low in their list of priorities. You sound lovely and shouldn't have to put up with that.

In the meantime get yourself some hobbies and leisure time if only to make her realise she is being unfair. Go down the pub for a pint with a friend or the gym/sport or just a walk. No one can just do work and childcare.

Ellie56 · 23/07/2023 12:17

She sounds like a shit wife and a shit mother and you and the kids deserve better. A lot better.

Winter2020 · 23/07/2023 12:25

If she's not after Bob then with his marriage breaking down I would place a bet that Bob will fall for her.

If your wife can't use her common sense to organise a fair diary then you will have to try to make her pin down the arrangements. Your family times and down times need putting on the calendar. So at the moment if someone asks your wife if she is free on Sunday she says yes. Your calendar needs to say "family walk, Sunday dinner and family time", on a Friday "family swimming @5 chippy tea" so your wife knows she is not free - and has plans with her family.

Your wife has fire training each Thurs so I would suggest you agree 2 nights out for her, 2 for you and 2 family evenings as well as at least one family day at the weekend - more in the school holidays. Take your own nights out even if you don't always have something to to, else she will decide you don't need them. Join a gym and use the gym or swim, join a running club if that's your bag, go for a walk and a pint. You can always go home early enough to watch a bit of TV with your wife if you want to but do go out.

If your wife won't allow you your own time or a family life I would seriously consider separating so that you share custody snd have some chance of a life outside caring for children.

When my eldest was little and my husband was a full time teacher (always working) I used to get to the point where I was feeling and would tell him that if we separated I thought I would get every other weekend off and that sounded an absolute dream. My husband couldn't help needing to work though. It was resolved by him going part time and me also working part time after being a stay at home mum so we could still make ends meet. If I had no help because that was his choice not to help I could not have stayed - but he is caring and we both try to give each other time to ourselves as well as time together as a family. That's just normal to be honest and it's what you deserve too. Don't continue to put up with this. If you separate I assume your wife would want the kids at least some of the time and you could havd time for a relationship and friends.

3rdtm · 23/07/2023 12:32

I bet she at least has an emotional affair with Bob, but probably more than that.

It just doesn't make sense to me why a wife would rather spend the weekend with her male best friend thank with her husband and two small daughters.

Nellynoowhoareyou · 23/07/2023 12:36

Im afraid it doesn’t sound like she values or really loves you OP. Presumably you’ve never been bothered about going out and socialising so she tells herself that you’re happy to sit in on your tod every night. It would be helpful if you could find hobbies/friends and then share the socials/housework etc but I’m guessing you just want her?

You need some more frank conversations (predetermine your hard lines and what outcomes you need from it) and probably some couples counselling as you don’t sound like you have any self esteem.

She might wake up to saving the marriage, seeing as she has made some effort when you’ve raised it before.

I know you don’t feel like you’d ever want anyone else but you sound like you have a lot going for you and I’m sure you could end up with someone who doesn’t take you for granted.

Fannieannie63 · 23/07/2023 12:37

You are not being unreasonable, your wife is! She is being selfish. If you go for couples counselling and she still refuses change, I’d tell her to go. After all she’s not being a wife or mother. Her life and friendships should not exist at the expense of yours which is what is happening isn’t it? And this Bob weekend thing - it’s a HUGE red flag!! Huge. She is lucky that you love enough to let her treat you this way. It is not normal. Not at all. Me personally I’d be giving ultimatums!

Gcsunnyside23 · 23/07/2023 12:39

She is treating you terribly. She's so used to being let do what she wants she doesn't even see how unreasonable she's being and treating you like a doormat. If I were you I would tell her you want a life too and if she's not willing to spend time with you then you want your own hobbies and friends, tell her what nights are yours and she has to deal with it like you have and if she doesn't like that then it's over. You can't spend your life letting her live hers at the expense if your own.
But in all honesty I think you would be better in her own. You need to ask yourself if she's with you for convenience (on her own she would have less money and time for social life) or if she actually wants to be apart of your family because from what I read it's a no

Erdinger · 23/07/2023 12:39

Does your wife have an actual job apart from her ff ? I think the only option is divorce. This is no life for you or the children.