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Wife out all the time leaving me to watch DC. Is this OK?

142 replies

Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 09:50

Wow this became really long I’m sorry. Please read and help if you can.

I (M/42) and my wife (F/35) have been together for 11 years married for 8. We have two DD one just about 5 and one 3. I love my wife with all my heart so I’m feeling very down and lost at the moment.

Everything was fine until 2 years ago. My wife is a social butterfly who has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had (seriously - this is important later) so she always had plans in her diary months in advance. When it was just us that was absolutely fine - I would never tell her what to do, I’m not controlling or jealous etc. all I asked was she told me where in case she needed me. I genuinely do at least 30-40% of the housework
and I do every school run as I work from home. I’m a solicitor so I’m very busy from 8am - 7pm most days.

When we had DD1 after 2 years TTC I thought we were deliriously happy and all was great so we went on to have DD2. 9 months after DD2 was born my wife told me that actually she felt trapped and crushed at home and wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do.

At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like. I thought she would occasionally be required to do some fire duties or something and it would give her something exciting to do around our family. I supported her through the 6 weeks in total RESIDENTIAL courses and she got in at the 3rd time of trying. We even had to have a friend here every day for weeks so that I could work.

From this point on everything started to go down hill. It became an obsession - she couldn’t be at the station enough! Turns out they actually have to be on call for at least 84 hours per week and they have a roster that must be stuck to day and night. Also to get through probation they have to do a ton of write ups and quizzes and courses and community days etc. The shouts themselves are random and clustered so she says it’s not a big deal, but it’s everything that comes with it that caused an issue. It’s insidious and has worked it’s way into every aspect of our lives - she constantly thinks about it or is down there doing something for it and she’s admitted she has to be around it. They’re all the same not just her but it’s bizarre.

As a probie she was assigned a mentor - call him Bob. Bob (m/37) was going through a rough marriage breakup and my wife became his support network - this is very in character for her. The problem was she started going out socially with Bob to cheer him up and let him talk, first with other friends or colleagues, then alone. I trusted her implicitly and again would never say no to her doing things. Now my wife is a bit of a ladette and to be in that make environment you have to be, so she can be very inappropriate with innocent sexual banter etc. All fine I know her.

The issues started when people kept insinuating that her and Bob were having an affair as they had become so close and the sexual jokes escalated. Friends even noticed and her boss called her into the office to tell her to tone it down - he even suggested we must have an open marriage it had gone that far! I then began to think “if everyone else is saying it, should I be worried?!” And this thought escalated into total paranoia about it. Rationally I trusted her, irrationally I was terrified she was cheating. We didn’t even have sex for 7 months.

this went on for a year before I finally confronted her about it. She was shocked and had no idea I felt this way. We cried and talked and I believe her nothing happened with Bob or anyone else, but this was just one issue we resolved. The other issue was the time she spent at the station. I genuinely felt like it was her main priority consuming 50% of her time, our DC came joint second with her phone (everyone comments on her phone useage) and I came last as under 5% of her priority. She was shocked by this too and things have been better. She kept saying she would quit the fire (which secretly I would love but would never make her do) but I know if she did she would just resent me and we’d be over within 6 months anyway as a result. The only option is to keep the fire and be secretly unhappy with its negative effect on our relationship whilst smiling and insisting all is now OK.

Now as I said she’s a social butterfly and never loses touch with anyone. So throughout all of this she is also out 2-3 nights per week (and almost every daytime too) with her other friends. This continues even now - this next week she’s out 6 nights out of 7 for example. This means I have no friends and never go out as I watch the children and do every bed time (she has genuinely done less than 10% of all bedtimes ever). This has left me feeling lonely and isolated and more like a convenient babysitter than a husband and father.

since our chats we’ve been much better, had very regular sex and told each other regularly how much we love each other. We’ve had some date nights and I’ve surprised her with a trip to Paris for our anniversary next month.

But her going out habits haven’t changed at all so I’m still stuck at home alone most of the time with nothing but my thoughts and I can’t go out as our DC are asleep upstairs. Last night for example she had an old work leaving party - she said she didn’t want to go, was telling me she was bored at 10pm but didn’t roll in drunk until 2.30am. I hadn’t slept as I kept expecting her back based on her texts. She’s now hungover so today (family day) is wasted as she can’t do anything anyway.

I’ve tried to tell her it’s too much in a nice way - “just remember we like to see you too haha”
or similar, but I genuinely feel like she’d rather do stuff with anyone but me even though she insists thats not true. We’ve never stayed out until 2.30am together and if I ever suggested it she would say no as she’d be too tired!

She recently mentioned wanting to go on a Butlins adult weekender with Bob as his ‘best friend’ and for the first time ever I had to say no to her. It sent my anxiety through the roof. I agonised over this and actually felt bad but I think this is a hard line and frankly not something I should even have to say - where is her respect for my feelings or our marriage?! She of course said she feels controlled now and she wants it to be like it was where “she could do anything she felt like and it was all OK” (her words). Don’t forget that this is all on top of her other plans with people - at least twice per week, plus the fire drill night every Thursday. She’s also now started arranging events with some new people she’s met on top of all the other stuff. I’m genuinely starting to wonder where I fit in, but she tells me I’m just being stupid and “she can’t stay home all the time”.

So, am I being unreasonable here? Should I let her do whatever she wants without issue? I genuinely could not be controlling it’s just not me, but I’m going insane with loneliness in my own marriage. If I can’t have my wife I don’t want anyone so I don’t want to find someone else to be happy with ever, but my heart is breaking here and I also feel like I already don’t have her and I’m just the glorified help and that being out 4-7 nights each week is not OK. She just tells me I’m being silly or unreasonable.

tl:dr wife always out with others I’m a live in helper is this OK.

OP posts:
FairAcre · 23/07/2023 10:43

I know you want to try and preserve your marriage but I genuinely think you would be happier apart. You sound a really nice guy and you deserve to have someone in your life who cherishes you and who is an equal partner. Her relationship with Bob does not sound innocent - if nothing else she is having an emotional affair with him. She doesn't deserve to have you in her life.

Lwrenagain · 23/07/2023 10:45

Massive hug, this sounds shite.

You've come across as extremely reasonable and understanding and unfortunately those are qualities that partners can take the piss with, unless you're on the same page.

It's clear you love your wife, she sounds very fun, but this isn't a marriage or life for you, I think you deserve happiness also and to be considered as someone worth having fun with.

Sorry pal x

Backstreets · 23/07/2023 10:45

if nothing else she is having an emotional affair with him

Exactly. I’ve seen this play out and it left the husband so bitter and angry. Don’t let that happen to you op.

LondonPapa · 23/07/2023 10:45

I can’t have my wife I don’t want anyone so I don’t want to find someone else to be happy with ever.

Just saw this part. Don't be ridiculous. Your wife checked out long ago. Separate, focus on yourself and then date again. You'll find someone better.

notapizzaeater · 23/07/2023 10:50

I'm a social butterfly but when my DS was young it was much much less. I wouldn't have dreamt of going out so often though. That said if she's 'stuck at home' she actually needs to be there not just on her phone. Do you ever get chance to go out as a couple ?

There's not a chance in hell id be happy about the Butlins thing

Frankenpug23 · 23/07/2023 10:52

As well as not caring as much for you and the children as she does for her friends/ work/ Bob - she has completely ignored your needs - you sat down with her (as did her bosses at the fire station) to talk about the harm this friendship is having on you and it wasn’t really listened too or acknowledged as she now wants to go to Butlins with him! Absolute No!!!

Where on earth is she getting all this money from to go out 6 out of 7 nights a week too?

YANBU you sound like a loving, hardworking, supportive Dad and husband and she is so taking the piss - it sounds like she has no regard for anyone apart from herself.

I would consider marriage counselling, but also after next week - get in early and say I will be out 3 times the following week so just checking you will be here to have the kids. Then go and do something for you - cinema, gym whatever..

Please do not be unhappy forever - talk to her again and if nothing changes - say your marriage is in trouble and now its marriage counselling- but set a cut off point if there is no change then it cannot go on. You cannot put your own happiness on the back burner forever whilst you live with this woman who is totally taking charge! Never mind the knock on affect on the children of a Mum that was never there - She is not just damaging you. From what I can see she is selfish, demanding and entitled.

Please take care of yourself through all this.

Katela18 · 23/07/2023 10:53

Echoing most other posters but this would be unacceptable to me.

She is prioritising her happiness and social life over her families. It's not only you suffering here but her children too. That's selfish.

My husband and I always try to make sure leisure time is equal. Her being out so frequently in turn means you can't be. So as a minimum of you are going to continue you need to be asking where you are getting your free time and that will mean her sacrificing some of hers.

She is a parent and a wife now and that needs to come above socialising and to a certain extent, non mandatory work events.

Regardless you sounds unhappy so if things can't change to a point you are happy, it's probably best to consider an exit strategy for the sake of you and your children. Everyone deserves to be happy not just her

viques · 23/07/2023 10:53

Reverse?

continentallentil · 23/07/2023 10:59

Marriage counselling is what you need - it will help you learn to express yourself and her to see her behaviour in clearer light, even if you decide it’s over it’s a good way to separate.

Obviously isn’t reasonable behaviour.

If she won’t have counselling / accept things have to change, then you need to ask her to to move out.

Am I right in thinking she doesn’t work? Once she moves out and has to sort herself out she will grow up fast.

You need to assert yourself. It is not worth being in a relationship like this.

Zanatdy · 23/07/2023 11:05

This is bang out of order. No parent of young children should be out that often leaving the other parent to do the bedtimes etc. And it’s so unfair in a marriage for one person to be out nearly every night, where is your time together? Totally get you not wanting to say no. You’re not her keeper but at the same time she’s got no respect for you and isn’t going to stop anytime soon unless you say something to her. I’d tell her that it’s not fair you’re doing all the bedtimes and sitting in alone every night. Can’t believe she wanted to go away with Bob who had suggested an open marriage so clearly wants to have sex with her, and she knows it. She’s taking you for a complete mug.

jannier · 23/07/2023 11:10

She's taking you for a ride effectively she's left the relationship and is keeping it going to avoid having to take any share of responsibility for the kids.

Zanatdy · 23/07/2023 11:17

Frankenpug23 · 23/07/2023 10:52

As well as not caring as much for you and the children as she does for her friends/ work/ Bob - she has completely ignored your needs - you sat down with her (as did her bosses at the fire station) to talk about the harm this friendship is having on you and it wasn’t really listened too or acknowledged as she now wants to go to Butlins with him! Absolute No!!!

Where on earth is she getting all this money from to go out 6 out of 7 nights a week too?

YANBU you sound like a loving, hardworking, supportive Dad and husband and she is so taking the piss - it sounds like she has no regard for anyone apart from herself.

I would consider marriage counselling, but also after next week - get in early and say I will be out 3 times the following week so just checking you will be here to have the kids. Then go and do something for you - cinema, gym whatever..

Please do not be unhappy forever - talk to her again and if nothing changes - say your marriage is in trouble and now its marriage counselling- but set a cut off point if there is no change then it cannot go on. You cannot put your own happiness on the back burner forever whilst you live with this woman who is totally taking charge! Never mind the knock on affect on the children of a Mum that was never there - She is not just damaging you. From what I can see she is selfish, demanding and entitled.

Please take care of yourself through all this.

No doubt OP’s solicitor salary is where she gets the money from. Takes the absolute P. I go out for a fair few meals per month, but I pay for them out of my own hard earned cash, my children are 15 plus and no partner at home. Can’t believe she thinks it’s ok to go out so much.

MammaTo · 23/07/2023 11:20

I’m really sorry to say but she has checked out of family life completely. Unless there are any underlying mental health conditions it sounds like she’s struggling to accept the responsibility of having kids and the sacrifices you have to make. Asking to go away for a weekend with another man would of been the final straw for me, you’ve done well to last this long.
Id be starting to gather evidence of how she is behaving and think about leaving. Get as much evidence as you can in case there is a custody battle.
If the genders were reversed your wife would be getting called all the names under the sun.

ButterfliesnWaterfalls · 23/07/2023 11:21

LTB.

Unacceptable and you deserve better.

AsterixAndPersimmon · 23/07/2023 11:24

Housework is a non issue. You are doing about the same amount (you: 40%, cleaner: 20%, so her the other 40% left).

Going out 2 nights a week … I’d say it depends what sort if ‘going out’ it is but many people do some sort of activity during the week, from a sport, book club etc…
Going out 6 times a week? That’s insane. I would have struggled to keep up that pace when I was in my 20s lol. But more to the point, as you said, there is nothing left fir you or fir you as a family.

Bob … well they are having at least an emotional affair and aren’t hiding it either.

On the other side, you sound very passive. A year to tell her you have issue with the way she is behaving with Bob, even though you knew about her boss thinking you have an open marriage? Come on!

Whether you like it or not, you have to start being assertive. You have just spent years accepting things you find unacceptable ‘because you love her’. You don’t have to.
But rather you, and her!, need to remember love is a verb. Not a noun. What does she do that shows her love? Does she enjoy spending time with Or does she look like she is basically avoiding you in favour of others?
And are you happy to settle with living with someone who doesn’t love you and isn’t hiding it?

WilkinsonM · 23/07/2023 11:25

This isn't a partnership or any kind of marriage I would want to be in. She seems to have zero interest in you or the kids and you are certainly not her priority.

Pollyputthekettleonha · 23/07/2023 11:27

YANBU. I would feel absolutely awful leaving my DH to do so much on his own.
It's unacceptable.
It might be worth bringing this up again with her OP and maybe seeing if she would consider counselling. But ultimately if it seems like nothing will change I agree you have to think about splitting up. You can't continue being this miserable.

Seaoftroubles · 23/07/2023 11:27

Of course it's not OK, your wife is behaving as though she is single and has no respect for you or the family at all. She must be spending a fortune on her her social life whilst you are at home babysitting.
As for the Butlins weekend with a single male colleague what a joke! Does she really think you are you are that naive? You really need to assert yourself OP as she is walking all over you.

Mayhem3 · 23/07/2023 11:28

I would be happy for my DP to go out with his mates but 6/7 days of the week is a complete piss take.

She is a parent and partner and that should come before a social life.

She actually sounds like quite a neglectful parent if she’d prefer to be out every night and day rather than seeing her kids.

I would sit her down and talk to her again and say that she needs to be a better parent and partner and as a compromise she should only go out twice a week and they cannot be both on the weekend.

There is a difference between being controlling and not letting yourself be treated like a mug.

You’ve put your kids and her before yourself and it’s time for you to start putting yourself first sometimes too and getting some friends and hobbies so she has to do some of the parenting.

This situation is often seen when one person is a SAHP because they become the default parent and the only person has work friends and work responsibilities etc but this is even worse because you’re the main worker in the family but you’re also the main parent and cleaner etc too!

Hiddenvoice · 23/07/2023 11:33

This is not okay, she lives as if she is single and child free. I know you’ve spoken a lot in the past and you’ve been more intimate etc but she’s not really changed.

You need to talk to her again and point out that there is no balance in your relationship. She is out all of the time, when do you get to have family time?
Does she spend any time with her children alone? Also explain that you have had no time to yourself in such a long time. You’re not isolated with no hobbies or social life and it’s not fair. Things need to change, you need to be firmer with her. She’s an adult, she has responsibilities and needs to act like it.

Spirallingdownwards · 23/07/2023 11:35

She has already mentally left you.

I would suggest you tell her to leave properly. As primary carer you would most likely get custody of the kids and I doubt she even wants custody. Use the maintenance she would need to pay for childcare outside the house and crack on with your life.

F0Xintherain · 23/07/2023 11:36

Op is a solicitor, presumably on a very good wage. She's using him for money and stability and off out on the jolly with her mates every night.

F0Xintherain · 23/07/2023 11:38

And if you threaten to leave where will she get the money from for her lifestyle. You're being used

Belleoftheball83 · 23/07/2023 11:38

Sorry to hear this is your life OP. Do the kids never ask for mummy to do bedtime, or for her to do things with them? Does she just brush them off?

You need to draw a line in the sand and mean it. By saying nothing she will subconsciously be losing respect for you as she knows she is getting away with far more than most would consider acceptable in a marriage. I would hazard a bet that most of the guys down the fire station see you as a pushover and wouldn't put up with this in their own relationships. She wouldn't be able to go out this often if you separate and she has them 50/50.

No one deserves to be unhappy in their relationship which is why I come back to my first point. You've got to think about what this doing to the kids too. Good luck OP.

LuckySantangelo35 · 23/07/2023 11:41

@Dipped1981

dump her Op

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