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Wife out all the time leaving me to watch DC. Is this OK?

142 replies

Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 09:50

Wow this became really long I’m sorry. Please read and help if you can.

I (M/42) and my wife (F/35) have been together for 11 years married for 8. We have two DD one just about 5 and one 3. I love my wife with all my heart so I’m feeling very down and lost at the moment.

Everything was fine until 2 years ago. My wife is a social butterfly who has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had (seriously - this is important later) so she always had plans in her diary months in advance. When it was just us that was absolutely fine - I would never tell her what to do, I’m not controlling or jealous etc. all I asked was she told me where in case she needed me. I genuinely do at least 30-40% of the housework
and I do every school run as I work from home. I’m a solicitor so I’m very busy from 8am - 7pm most days.

When we had DD1 after 2 years TTC I thought we were deliriously happy and all was great so we went on to have DD2. 9 months after DD2 was born my wife told me that actually she felt trapped and crushed at home and wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do.

At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like. I thought she would occasionally be required to do some fire duties or something and it would give her something exciting to do around our family. I supported her through the 6 weeks in total RESIDENTIAL courses and she got in at the 3rd time of trying. We even had to have a friend here every day for weeks so that I could work.

From this point on everything started to go down hill. It became an obsession - she couldn’t be at the station enough! Turns out they actually have to be on call for at least 84 hours per week and they have a roster that must be stuck to day and night. Also to get through probation they have to do a ton of write ups and quizzes and courses and community days etc. The shouts themselves are random and clustered so she says it’s not a big deal, but it’s everything that comes with it that caused an issue. It’s insidious and has worked it’s way into every aspect of our lives - she constantly thinks about it or is down there doing something for it and she’s admitted she has to be around it. They’re all the same not just her but it’s bizarre.

As a probie she was assigned a mentor - call him Bob. Bob (m/37) was going through a rough marriage breakup and my wife became his support network - this is very in character for her. The problem was she started going out socially with Bob to cheer him up and let him talk, first with other friends or colleagues, then alone. I trusted her implicitly and again would never say no to her doing things. Now my wife is a bit of a ladette and to be in that make environment you have to be, so she can be very inappropriate with innocent sexual banter etc. All fine I know her.

The issues started when people kept insinuating that her and Bob were having an affair as they had become so close and the sexual jokes escalated. Friends even noticed and her boss called her into the office to tell her to tone it down - he even suggested we must have an open marriage it had gone that far! I then began to think “if everyone else is saying it, should I be worried?!” And this thought escalated into total paranoia about it. Rationally I trusted her, irrationally I was terrified she was cheating. We didn’t even have sex for 7 months.

this went on for a year before I finally confronted her about it. She was shocked and had no idea I felt this way. We cried and talked and I believe her nothing happened with Bob or anyone else, but this was just one issue we resolved. The other issue was the time she spent at the station. I genuinely felt like it was her main priority consuming 50% of her time, our DC came joint second with her phone (everyone comments on her phone useage) and I came last as under 5% of her priority. She was shocked by this too and things have been better. She kept saying she would quit the fire (which secretly I would love but would never make her do) but I know if she did she would just resent me and we’d be over within 6 months anyway as a result. The only option is to keep the fire and be secretly unhappy with its negative effect on our relationship whilst smiling and insisting all is now OK.

Now as I said she’s a social butterfly and never loses touch with anyone. So throughout all of this she is also out 2-3 nights per week (and almost every daytime too) with her other friends. This continues even now - this next week she’s out 6 nights out of 7 for example. This means I have no friends and never go out as I watch the children and do every bed time (she has genuinely done less than 10% of all bedtimes ever). This has left me feeling lonely and isolated and more like a convenient babysitter than a husband and father.

since our chats we’ve been much better, had very regular sex and told each other regularly how much we love each other. We’ve had some date nights and I’ve surprised her with a trip to Paris for our anniversary next month.

But her going out habits haven’t changed at all so I’m still stuck at home alone most of the time with nothing but my thoughts and I can’t go out as our DC are asleep upstairs. Last night for example she had an old work leaving party - she said she didn’t want to go, was telling me she was bored at 10pm but didn’t roll in drunk until 2.30am. I hadn’t slept as I kept expecting her back based on her texts. She’s now hungover so today (family day) is wasted as she can’t do anything anyway.

I’ve tried to tell her it’s too much in a nice way - “just remember we like to see you too haha”
or similar, but I genuinely feel like she’d rather do stuff with anyone but me even though she insists thats not true. We’ve never stayed out until 2.30am together and if I ever suggested it she would say no as she’d be too tired!

She recently mentioned wanting to go on a Butlins adult weekender with Bob as his ‘best friend’ and for the first time ever I had to say no to her. It sent my anxiety through the roof. I agonised over this and actually felt bad but I think this is a hard line and frankly not something I should even have to say - where is her respect for my feelings or our marriage?! She of course said she feels controlled now and she wants it to be like it was where “she could do anything she felt like and it was all OK” (her words). Don’t forget that this is all on top of her other plans with people - at least twice per week, plus the fire drill night every Thursday. She’s also now started arranging events with some new people she’s met on top of all the other stuff. I’m genuinely starting to wonder where I fit in, but she tells me I’m just being stupid and “she can’t stay home all the time”.

So, am I being unreasonable here? Should I let her do whatever she wants without issue? I genuinely could not be controlling it’s just not me, but I’m going insane with loneliness in my own marriage. If I can’t have my wife I don’t want anyone so I don’t want to find someone else to be happy with ever, but my heart is breaking here and I also feel like I already don’t have her and I’m just the glorified help and that being out 4-7 nights each week is not OK. She just tells me I’m being silly or unreasonable.

tl:dr wife always out with others I’m a live in helper is this OK.

OP posts:
Dustybarn · 23/07/2023 12:39

Sorry OP but your wife checked out of this marriage a while back. Time to move on.

PinkiOcelot · 23/07/2023 12:51

OMG OP, she is taking you for a total mug. I’m sorry, don’t mean this to be nasty, but find your backbone and kick her to the kerb. She’s walking all over you.

Epidote · 23/07/2023 12:51

She seems lo like to live the single life. That is not possible when you are in a couple with young kids for anybody regardless the gender.

She need to pull her weight with the kids and give you some space for yourself to spend as you like even if is reading a book in the next door, not everyone is that social but time to disconnect is very important.

About Bob, she is taking the piss or she is the most naive human I ever heard off.

Speak with her don't let it building up. If her reaction is over the top you will know she is taking you for granted and she got well defined priorities that don't include you and only include the kids when she doesn't have anything else to do.

Entitled/ selfish people come in all sizes and genders. Take care of yourself and the kids.

Prettypaisleyslippers · 23/07/2023 13:05

This was my mum. She left us for someone she met on shift. We were so low in her priorities it was heart breaking. she doesn’t have a good relationship with my sibling, I’m ok with her.

she’s taking the piss. Your poor children, poor you. Please try to make some friends, you sound fab.

I work predominantly with men, I could be out all the time, I pick my socialising carefully, turn down many invites because I want to see my children and husband.

if she stays in the fire service I can’t see your marriage surviving. You will get custody, as main care giver.

2bazookas · 23/07/2023 13:34

There are two issues in your post that stand out a mile to me.

One is your use of the term "social butterfly" . That is a pejorative for people who casually flit from one group or interest to another. But you wife is the exact opposite of a social butterfly; she "has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had" and is devoted to her firefighting role. She is loyal, dedicat responsible.

The second is this "wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do. At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like."

BUT you're a lawyer, a solicitor, your professional life is based on factfinding, careful research and assessment. So when the wife you "love with all your heart" was in crisis "felt trapped and crushed at home" I find it totally unbelievable you were too busy to check out what being an on-call FF would be like.

It sounds to me as if you just patted her on the head "Yes dear that's nice " and couldn't be arsed to take an interest. That would explain why she felt "trapped and crushed at home" by a WFH husband who dismisses her loyalty as "social butterfly",.

dottiedodah · 23/07/2023 13:39

I agree with others here .Your wife is massively taking the piss! She is living the equivilent of a single life ,coming and going whenever she wants. The FF is out of hand and "Bob" seems to have become far too close a friend.A WE away with him is well out of order.You are an intelligent man and sound very kind and generous.She is taking advantage of you.Do you have any friends or family in RL you could talk to . You will meet someone else in time ,you are a relatively young man,far too young to accept this as your life

wizzywig · 23/07/2023 13:42

Did her friendship with Bob contribute to the breakdown of his marriage?

Mars27 · 23/07/2023 13:43

I'm sorry but this is sounding like some sort of badly written fan fiction to me.

LB207 · 23/07/2023 13:49

2bazookas · 23/07/2023 13:34

There are two issues in your post that stand out a mile to me.

One is your use of the term "social butterfly" . That is a pejorative for people who casually flit from one group or interest to another. But you wife is the exact opposite of a social butterfly; she "has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had" and is devoted to her firefighting role. She is loyal, dedicat responsible.

The second is this "wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do. At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like."

BUT you're a lawyer, a solicitor, your professional life is based on factfinding, careful research and assessment. So when the wife you "love with all your heart" was in crisis "felt trapped and crushed at home" I find it totally unbelievable you were too busy to check out what being an on-call FF would be like.

It sounds to me as if you just patted her on the head "Yes dear that's nice " and couldn't be arsed to take an interest. That would explain why she felt "trapped and crushed at home" by a WFH husband who dismisses her loyalty as "social butterfly",.

Total nonsense. Blaming him and making her behaviours appear like a positive trait.

FairAcre · 23/07/2023 13:53

2bazookas · 23/07/2023 13:34

There are two issues in your post that stand out a mile to me.

One is your use of the term "social butterfly" . That is a pejorative for people who casually flit from one group or interest to another. But you wife is the exact opposite of a social butterfly; she "has never lost touch with any friend she’s ever had" and is devoted to her firefighting role. She is loyal, dedicat responsible.

The second is this "wanted to become an on call firefighter in a local village. Fine I said I’ll support whatever you do. At the time I had no idea what being an on call FF would be like."

BUT you're a lawyer, a solicitor, your professional life is based on factfinding, careful research and assessment. So when the wife you "love with all your heart" was in crisis "felt trapped and crushed at home" I find it totally unbelievable you were too busy to check out what being an on-call FF would be like.

It sounds to me as if you just patted her on the head "Yes dear that's nice " and couldn't be arsed to take an interest. That would explain why she felt "trapped and crushed at home" by a WFH husband who dismisses her loyalty as "social butterfly",.

Are you the wife?

oi0Y0io · 23/07/2023 13:54

jannier · 23/07/2023 11:10

She's taking you for a ride effectively she's left the relationship and is keeping it going to avoid having to take any share of responsibility for the kids.

This !

Chronosdog · 23/07/2023 14:04

You have mentioned housework OP this is only a tiny part of family /life responsibility , I am wondering what the split of all the other responsibilities is - e.g shopping, meal planning a healthy diet, cooking, children’s health appts and check ups, selecting and organising appropriate clubs for children as well as getting them there buying the kit for the club , school stuff, homework, planning and organising / hosting play dates, birthdays, insurance, financials, gardening, planning holidays- booking and organising clothing, toiletries etc for daily life as well as for holidays holidays- planning family days out who makes decisions if one of your children has symptoms of an illness, decorating the house - planning, organising , house repairs and maintenance, relationships with wider family etc, etc? Is she doing any of these or are these things all left to you?

2bazookas · 23/07/2023 14:28

FairAcre · 23/07/2023 13:53

Are you the wife?

No, just a bystander with a professional interest in communication.

StellaJohanna · 23/07/2023 14:30

She's a total pisstaker. You sound beaten down and walking around on eggshells apologising for fucking living.

FFS what are you doing? Why are you trying to excuse her behaviour? She isn't acting like a married person with children - she is acting like a single woman but with a paying lodger/nanny who isn't allowed a life.

I'm sorry to be harsh, but come on, man - this is your life here. She isn't going to give any of this up because you are tolerating being walked all over. Sorry, but she sounds like a horrible, selfish, using manipulator. You can't see what's right in your face. I hope you leave her and have a wonderful life. Find yourself and ACT. I bet you don't have any friends, right? That wouldn't fit in with her life would it- for you to have friends? Big fucking red flags everywhere.

millymog11 · 23/07/2023 14:30

not read the whole thread but read enough.
To OP, if you have any chance whatsoever to get her to respect you you need to leave her asap and tell her she does not respect you or your marriage.
Redirect the money you are spending on a cleaner on childcare and go out yourself and get your own life underway. Even if you do not do that, in the foreseeable future you will have to do that when you split up so might as well start now.

Wibbleswombats · 23/07/2023 14:34

We have neighbours who are oncall firefighters and they are really into it.

However, think she's telling you porkies about how much she actually needs to do.

Firefighter hours

On-call firefighters FAQs

https://www.nationalfirechiefs.org.uk/On-call-firefighters-FAQs#:~:text=It's%20quite%20flexible%20%E2%80%93%20usually%20you,about%2040%20hours%20a%20week.

TinyTeacher · 23/07/2023 14:38

Many threads on here talk about the importance of having equal leisure time, and also the importance of time together to strengthen your relationship.

You don't seem to have either.

You need to have a frank, adult conversation. Remain calm and factual. Make it clear how you feel but resist any emotional manipulation. Hold her to the same standard. Be clear about your needs and the needs of the children.

If you can't have that conversation, then you know she doesn't really respect how you feel. If thats the case, you need to decide if the relationship has a future - can it be changed? If not, do you want to stay together? Or will you be better off coparenting and living separately?

StellaJohanna · 23/07/2023 14:40

Dipped1981 · 23/07/2023 10:19

Thank you for the replies so far. Although they’re not what I want to hear at least I know I’m not being controlling or unreasonable. I just feel so unhappy but scared of losing her too. All I want is my wife back and for her to prioritise our family but it seems from the comments that’s unlikely. I’m sick of crying alone in my office or our bed so I’m going to raise this again with her.

You shouldn't be "crying alone" anywhere! Where is you sense of self-preservation? You are so gaslighted and terrified of losing her you don't know where you are. Her body is already out the door and her mind is following.

Get your life in order. Make contact with old friends. You need friends! She is NOT your friend. You think that by keeping your head down and being a good boy, she will start treating you like a human being again? WRONG. The more you do that, the more she will walk all over you. Find your power, confidence and strength. What has happened to the man you used to be? Find him again.

Contact your friends and family. Reach out to colleagues. People will help you, honestly. You need help, friends, other opinions. don't be afraid - Action will conquer your fear.

gotmychristmasmiracle · 23/07/2023 14:45

Wow this is crazy my other half is a solicitor and says he has no time for school drop
Off /pick ups, childcare in general, cleaning, cooking so think I might have to tell him that it can be done. In all seriousness though you need an exit plan as this isn't sustainable for your mental or physical health 😕 she's just like an extra kid with zero respect for you!

Cucucucu · 23/07/2023 14:46

Your marriage was never a true marriage because your whole life’s are separate apart from the children . I’m assuming your wife doesn’t get paid much from being a on call firefighter so you also provide all or most financial support on everything ?
To me that’s not a marriage , a marriage requires people to make compromises, she is a social butterfly and you never want to stop her going out but the reality is no normal married d person behaves that way because that’s not ok .
Sorry but to me it seems she gets the best of both worlds with nil compromise or sacrifice . I doubt she even loves you or being married with you.
Nobody deserves to be used this way men or woman .

Cucucucu · 23/07/2023 14:47

Oh and my friends husband is a on call firefighter and only dedicates one full day a week unless requested . Sorry but she is lying to you

MiniTheMinx · 23/07/2023 14:56

I'd be assuming Bob doesn't want her full-time. Or maybe Bob thinks she's not a patch on his long suffering but loyal wife!

OP you deserve better. She's not behaving like a partner is she? she's like an over grown teenager who has to be indulged and doesn't want to adult.

3luckystars · 23/07/2023 15:06

Very very unfair, and you know that.

the fact that she doesn’t even realise that going out several nights a week would have an impact on you and the children is also awful.

I would get some counselling and support for yourself, have you an Employee Assistance Programme at work?

It seems like you would let her away with anything, just to not rock the boat. That’s a mistake. Unbalanced relationships will aways cause resentment (even if it takes years) get support and even things up, for good.
all the very best to you.

krustykittens · 23/07/2023 15:20

I am sorry, OP, but your wife is not interested in you or your children and she is having an affair with Bob. Look amongst the married couples you know - do any of them remotely behave like your wife? Do they ask their spouses if it is OK if they have a weekend away with a person who they have already been pulled up on as having an inappropriate relationship with? You need to stand up for yourself. Personally, I would be getting my ducks in a row and telling her to move out because someone who loves yo doesn't treat you like shit.

deveronvalley · 23/07/2023 15:25

Pull yourself together and open your eyes. Your marriage is finished.