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DP and boundaries. Am I just crazy?

139 replies

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:16

DP and I have been together 8 years, 1 DS3 and another on the way. No ring on my finger, various excuses over the years ranging from “my parents never married, I don’t see the importance” to “I want to make it special” and “why would I marry you when you’re constantly having a go at me.”

DP was less than faithful in his previous relationship and was open with me about this on our first few dates, stating it was towards the end of an unhappy relationship that he should have ended.

When I was pregnant with DS, DP developed a habit of going out for a few drinks and happening to stay out until the early hours, often ignoring his phone. The worst occasion I locked him out and sent him to his parents when he tried coming in around 6 AM.

Months down the line, I found a small hand written note fallen from a cupboard, detailing how he had met this wonderful woman and he had “never felt a connection” like this before and never felt more understood. Admittedly there was nothing specifically romantic about this letter but it was enough to spark the fury and pain in me. After a bit of digging, it transpired he had been with said woman (and other friends) on the night he had stayed out and I locked him out. He was apologetic, adamant it was platonic however said that “if I wasn’t so horrible to him then he’d have spoken to me about his feelings and life, instead of that woman. She was there to listen to him and understood him.”

I asked around and was told by everyone that nothing happened between them and it was just platonic, and that this woman was just “one of those harmless women.” Nevertheless, it left a sour taste in my mouth, hurt me deeply and I’ve never fully recovered. To add insult to injury, he explained that he had written said “note” (or love letter as I call it) whilst on a painting trip and ASKED TO WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING MEANINFUL OF LATE. Forget his unborn son, of course!

This was years ago and I set boundaries then re various things that had irked me, like his occasional like of semi naked women on social media.

Fast toward to a couple months ago, I’m pregnant again, randomly scrolling social media and find that DP has liked a lingerie photo of a woman he knows, but doesn’t follow. They have mutual friends and he has met her, so it’s not some random model on the other side of the world, and he KNOWS I’m not ok with this because we’ve discussed it in the past when he has done it. We live in a digital age, and a like of a lingerie photo is more than just a like, if you know the person.

I’m furious, and I tell him he’s not welcome home that night and he should go to his parents. I’m hopeful he’ll show some remorse, but instead he goes out drinking with friends. When I speak to him on the phone and admittedly lay in to him, saying some things I regret, he hangs up the phone and stays out with his phone off until 7 AM, having said he can’t bare coming home to me and my “abusive verbal assault” leaving me pregnant and stressed with our 3 year old.

We talked things over the next day, but he turned it on to me and basically said that he feels like he has no life anymore, no hobbies, can’t go out for a drink with friends because he knows I’ll apparently be upset about it etc. I said I would play my part but still wasn’t happy about what he had done, as it wasn’t the first time and he has repeatedly disrespected my boundaries re other women and things like this. He doesn’t go out drinking often anymore, but when he does I rarely have an issue, I just don’t want him out until the early hours.

I didn’t actually believe he was remorseful but fast forward to last night and he is trying to gaslight the shit out of me, telling me I’m crazy and it’s “not a big deal” and even my best friend told him that it was a “bit much” which I’m also furious about, as I confided in her about this argument, not for her to go discussing it with him and sympathising.

At the end of the day, we share a child and I’m pregnant with another, I don’t think I’m unreasonable for being furious that my DP has yet AGAIN ignored my boundaries. It doesn’t matter what it is, if we have discussed it and he has promised not to do it, then does it, it’s not ok. He of course thinks I am the unreasonable one, and as mentioned has turned this all on to me and wants ME to change. I’m a SAHM for a year now, a joint decision because I hated my job and DP wanted to go back to his business full time. We moved out of the city and I fucking hate it here too, it makes me miserable but he’s had a go at me for saying that because it’s “negative.” My mental health is in tatters renting here, but I’m wrong for not “making the most of it.”

I feel like I am completely alone now, I know pregnancy hormones are raging but my family live abroad, I feel betrayed by DP and now my best friend, and I just want to run away. My family aren’t even that supportive generally and I didn’t have a great upbringing, which doesn’t help my loneliness now.

In his mind I’m just a raging lunatic with potentially undiagnosed BPD. Thanks to ME telling him this, it’s not a weapon he can use, but he has done many shady things that have led us here.

Another example is when he was in London working for the day, then text me around 7pm saying he was finishing a drink at the pub then getting the train. Fast forward to 9pm, he says he’s running for the train. His phone goes off, and I don’t hear anything until 6 AM when he’s knocking at our front door. The train journey is 1 hour. He “missed the last train and slept in a park.” Yeah, pull the other one. I’m expected to believe this, and I let it go.. eventually. Would you have?

Still, when I think about a break up my heart breaks for our son and the new baby. I don’t know what to do. Counselling?

OP posts:
flipent · 13/06/2023 12:24

Op, this sounds like you're both as bad as each other.
Would agree that he is not behaving in a way to instill trust, but shouting at him because you're unhappy is unlikely to resolve anything.

Would suggest you have a long think about if you really want to be together - and both look at making changes if you do.

Sounds like there are a number of issues in your life at the moment - not just your partner.

cocksstrideintheevening · 13/06/2023 12:26

I don't think either of you come off well in the above, sorry.

Do you like anything about your life with him?

However, if they are your boundaries they are your boundaries and you are entitled to them. He won't change though,

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:30

@cocksstrideintheevening That’s fine, if that’s how it seems then I do want to hear that. I know there are definitely things I need to work on too, but I have never given him any reason to doubt my loyalty and I feel he has given me several.

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ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 13/06/2023 12:34

Why choose a cheating asshole to be the father of two children? Why?

SummerVino · 13/06/2023 12:36

This is a very stressful situation for you - look after yourself as much as you can.
He sounds like a man who wants to live the single life. His actions are not those of a loving partner and doting father. It seems he wants a different type of life completely.

Calling you crazy is indeed gaslighting, he presumably isn’t a clinician so he can’t diagnose you with BPD or anything else. How dare he comment like that on your MH. He won’t marry you because you have a go at him (presumably when he’s in the wrong)…. I suppose you’ll just have to behave then like a good little girl and never question anything he does to get that ring. UGH!

He seemingly can’t be reasoned with. Any rational man would realize it’s wrong to do the things he does but he doesn’t think he’s doing anything wrong. Who’s the one not thinking straight here? Cos it’s not you OP. You need to change and let him do what he likes is it ? Laughable. Don’t know how you put up with this.

You say you asked around about that woman, but his friends could be covering for him saying that nothing happened. Oh how they can rally round each other when they need to get out of trouble. Their loyalties lie with him.

If you want to continue the relationship, maybe a 3rd party like a counselor would be of help. He isn’t listening to you so you need to go further now. I know you don’t want to break up but this relationship is you being undermined constantly and him doing what I’d consider to be outrageous things to someone he cares about.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:37

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune Well, I didn’t and still don’t know if he’s actually cheated, but it does appear that way. He strongly denies it.

Despite his attitude with me, he is an absolutely amazing father and our son adores him.

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Quitelikeit · 13/06/2023 12:37

I can see what’s happening here.

You know your gut instinct it is telling you that this man is a liar and a cheat.

What you can’t do is change him by locking him up.

Sorry but it’s over. Not sure how many weeks you are but I wouldn’t even consider having another baby with this loser.

m Remember your gut instinct is there to protect you and keep you safe.

AmITooOldToDoThis · 13/06/2023 12:39

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:37

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune Well, I didn’t and still don’t know if he’s actually cheated, but it does appear that way. He strongly denies it.

Despite his attitude with me, he is an absolutely amazing father and our son adores him.

Amazing fathers don’t behave like dicks to the mothers of their children.

AmITooOldToDoThis · 13/06/2023 12:40

He told you who he was in the early days. Why are you surprised by this?

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:40

I just don’t understand what he wants. He seems to feel trapped by me and our relationship.

He repeatedly says he does everything to us, rushes home after work every day etc! He does, but is that not what fathers do? How often does he actually want to go out? He spends 1 of his days off working on his car (his hobby) and the other we visit his parents or take DS somewhere for the day together. What does he want? Should he be spending both days away, doing his own thing, since he’s with us 5 days a week in the evening?

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randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:42

He says he wants to be able to tell me he’s going out for drinks after work without feeling fearful that I’ll kick off. Well, I haven’t “kicked off” in years but I only ever did because a “few drinks” would turn in to an all lighter and so I came to expect that, which was upsetting.

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LividHot · 13/06/2023 12:43

He was a cheater before you and he’s still a cheater.

The rest is just noise.

You can either live with a cheater forever, and the mental strain that WILL cause, or you can find a way to split and coparent so he isn’t your problem.

Readyplayerthr33 · 13/06/2023 12:45

Stop getting pregnant.

Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 12:45

You know it's funny, when I go out whenever I want, my partner never says anything to me and with reason. I've never given him cause to.

This man cannot be trusted. I know I'm assuming here but it seems to me likw hes a regular cheat. And of course, blaming you for his horrible behaviour. It shouldn't be like this.

I wouldn't be nice to someone who constantly treat me like that either.

He is a dad and needs to grow up.

I know it's easier to day then done here ip but you're basically bringing up a third child, a man child at that.

I suspect you will be a lot happier without this waste of space. He can be a dad separated. You deserve so much better lovely lady.

I wish you the best of luck.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:45

@LividHot But what if he’s not? I was
hopeful that if we attended counselling, maybe he’d come clean. He seems so genuine when he says he has never cheated and would never cheat, but obviously these occasions I’ve described are more than a little fishy.

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Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 12:46

Like op sorry for the typos

Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 12:47

Your instincts are there for a reason.

I wouldn't put up with any of what you've mentioned. Once they start showing signs of sniffing around other women, I think their head is no longer present with you.

MrsCarson · 13/06/2023 12:48

He's cheated in the past, you don't trust him and he gaslights?
You are on an hiding to nowhere, just move out and move on. It's a waste of both your lives to keep going round in circles here.

cestlavielife · 13/06/2023 12:51

Counselling for you alone

So you can be supported to make decisions gor you

He can and does do as he likes and will continue to do so . You decide to live with it or break free

Shoxfordian · 13/06/2023 12:51

He’s continually disrespectful to you even if he hasn’t cheated; that note would have been enough for me to end it - never mind all the other lies and nonsense.

LividHot · 13/06/2023 12:51

OP, he is.

The fact that he can lie convincingly is irrelevant. He's a cheater. Accept that it's your life or find a better life away from this worry.

You said yourself, you hate where you live, your mental health is in tatters, you feel alone.

It will be HARD in the short term. It will. But eventually it will be better than this.

Hoppinggreen · 13/06/2023 12:52

I knew there would be the “he’s an amazing father” claim before too long.
Part of being an amazing father is treating the mother properly and he’s not.
Maybe he’s cheating and maybe he’s not (yet) but his behaviour is making you unhappy.
You are not crazy but you need to think about what changes you could make to make yourself happier. And no more babies

bonzaitree · 13/06/2023 12:52

Personally I’d get back into some form of work. If you split at least you have some money coming in.

Frogmila · 13/06/2023 12:52

Accept that you can't change him and in trying to do so, you are handing him material to make you look like the bad guy. You knew he was a cheat and he hasn't changed. Even if this 'harmless connection' was not sexual, he is still open to meeting other women and has an eye elsewhere. This is how life will be, constantly waiting for him to hurt you. I would cut your losses, accept that he will not be reasonable or accept any responsibility for how things are and leave. He is twisty and manipulative and cannot be reasoned with. Your approach is blunt and head on. I don't think you are at all compatible.

DickieAttenborough · 13/06/2023 12:52

Why on earth are you with such a horrible man? He won't change, cut your losses.