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DP and boundaries. Am I just crazy?

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randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:16

DP and I have been together 8 years, 1 DS3 and another on the way. No ring on my finger, various excuses over the years ranging from “my parents never married, I don’t see the importance” to “I want to make it special” and “why would I marry you when you’re constantly having a go at me.”

DP was less than faithful in his previous relationship and was open with me about this on our first few dates, stating it was towards the end of an unhappy relationship that he should have ended.

When I was pregnant with DS, DP developed a habit of going out for a few drinks and happening to stay out until the early hours, often ignoring his phone. The worst occasion I locked him out and sent him to his parents when he tried coming in around 6 AM.

Months down the line, I found a small hand written note fallen from a cupboard, detailing how he had met this wonderful woman and he had “never felt a connection” like this before and never felt more understood. Admittedly there was nothing specifically romantic about this letter but it was enough to spark the fury and pain in me. After a bit of digging, it transpired he had been with said woman (and other friends) on the night he had stayed out and I locked him out. He was apologetic, adamant it was platonic however said that “if I wasn’t so horrible to him then he’d have spoken to me about his feelings and life, instead of that woman. She was there to listen to him and understood him.”

I asked around and was told by everyone that nothing happened between them and it was just platonic, and that this woman was just “one of those harmless women.” Nevertheless, it left a sour taste in my mouth, hurt me deeply and I’ve never fully recovered. To add insult to injury, he explained that he had written said “note” (or love letter as I call it) whilst on a painting trip and ASKED TO WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING MEANINFUL OF LATE. Forget his unborn son, of course!

This was years ago and I set boundaries then re various things that had irked me, like his occasional like of semi naked women on social media.

Fast toward to a couple months ago, I’m pregnant again, randomly scrolling social media and find that DP has liked a lingerie photo of a woman he knows, but doesn’t follow. They have mutual friends and he has met her, so it’s not some random model on the other side of the world, and he KNOWS I’m not ok with this because we’ve discussed it in the past when he has done it. We live in a digital age, and a like of a lingerie photo is more than just a like, if you know the person.

I’m furious, and I tell him he’s not welcome home that night and he should go to his parents. I’m hopeful he’ll show some remorse, but instead he goes out drinking with friends. When I speak to him on the phone and admittedly lay in to him, saying some things I regret, he hangs up the phone and stays out with his phone off until 7 AM, having said he can’t bare coming home to me and my “abusive verbal assault” leaving me pregnant and stressed with our 3 year old.

We talked things over the next day, but he turned it on to me and basically said that he feels like he has no life anymore, no hobbies, can’t go out for a drink with friends because he knows I’ll apparently be upset about it etc. I said I would play my part but still wasn’t happy about what he had done, as it wasn’t the first time and he has repeatedly disrespected my boundaries re other women and things like this. He doesn’t go out drinking often anymore, but when he does I rarely have an issue, I just don’t want him out until the early hours.

I didn’t actually believe he was remorseful but fast forward to last night and he is trying to gaslight the shit out of me, telling me I’m crazy and it’s “not a big deal” and even my best friend told him that it was a “bit much” which I’m also furious about, as I confided in her about this argument, not for her to go discussing it with him and sympathising.

At the end of the day, we share a child and I’m pregnant with another, I don’t think I’m unreasonable for being furious that my DP has yet AGAIN ignored my boundaries. It doesn’t matter what it is, if we have discussed it and he has promised not to do it, then does it, it’s not ok. He of course thinks I am the unreasonable one, and as mentioned has turned this all on to me and wants ME to change. I’m a SAHM for a year now, a joint decision because I hated my job and DP wanted to go back to his business full time. We moved out of the city and I fucking hate it here too, it makes me miserable but he’s had a go at me for saying that because it’s “negative.” My mental health is in tatters renting here, but I’m wrong for not “making the most of it.”

I feel like I am completely alone now, I know pregnancy hormones are raging but my family live abroad, I feel betrayed by DP and now my best friend, and I just want to run away. My family aren’t even that supportive generally and I didn’t have a great upbringing, which doesn’t help my loneliness now.

In his mind I’m just a raging lunatic with potentially undiagnosed BPD. Thanks to ME telling him this, it’s not a weapon he can use, but he has done many shady things that have led us here.

Another example is when he was in London working for the day, then text me around 7pm saying he was finishing a drink at the pub then getting the train. Fast forward to 9pm, he says he’s running for the train. His phone goes off, and I don’t hear anything until 6 AM when he’s knocking at our front door. The train journey is 1 hour. He “missed the last train and slept in a park.” Yeah, pull the other one. I’m expected to believe this, and I let it go.. eventually. Would you have?

Still, when I think about a break up my heart breaks for our son and the new baby. I don’t know what to do. Counselling?

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randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:54

I know it’s such a cliche but as I’m sat here I’m finding myself thinking that if I just treat him nicer, stop moaning etc then we can be happy. But, when I see him and think about how he’s behaved I just CANNOT be lovely to him. I don’t even want to talk to him after he called me crazy yesterday.

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randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:55

I don’t want to unfairly portray him as some kind of monster though. Everyone loves DP, he’d do anything for anyone, he’s that kind of a guy, and overall he is a kind soul too - but, our relationship… eh. Is it me??

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Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 12:56

Do you realise thinking changing your behaviour to walk on egg shells can be signs of someone being abusive to you?

Emotional abuse can be and is as valid, if not worse than physical.

He has done a right number on you. He's now getting you to examine yourself even though your behaviour is correct.

Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 12:57

If they were horrible all of the time then nobody would want them would they?

It's part of the abuse cycle. This man gaslights you so much.

cestlavielife · 13/06/2023 12:57

You cannot make him happy
And he certainly does not make you happy
Talk to a counsellor about why you feel it is all on you
Big news
It is not on you to tiptoe around and love him more to make him change. He wont unless he really wants to. He does not care.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:57

@Opaljewel But he claims HE walks on eggshells around me all the time, those are his exact words. And yes, I can be temperamental but I’m bloody pregnant!!

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primoseyellow · 13/06/2023 12:58

What does he bring to your life? A knot of anxiety in your stomach , stress, worry, self doubt?
When you love someone you don't want to hurt them, you listen and do your best to support them and work as a team.

You don't behave in a way that means you could lose them, because they are important and precious to you.

I would seriously consider ending the relationship.

Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 12:58

Have a google of DARVO. Does this ring any bells to you?

WaterIris · 13/06/2023 12:58

He sounds like a lying toad, and you sound as if this has eaten away at your trust and confidence over the years. The two of you together sound like a toxic combination.

If you are having to police your partner - constantly set down boundaries/requests/rules/pleas about how he behaves on social media, how he behaves on nights out, how he communicates with you etc etc - then it's done.

Dump him and move on. You won't change him and you won't get what you want from him - which is trust, reliability and commitment (marriage). Stop wasting time on him and don't invest in the sunk costs fallacy.

atotalshambles · 13/06/2023 12:58

Ultimately you have one child and are about to have another. I think you need to place their welfare above anything. Your partner sounds completely unsuited to a long-term stable and healthy relationship. I think you need to be honest with him and put some hard boundaries in place. If you genuinely love and care for your partner, you do not stay out until 6am chatting up random women. I think if this behavior is going to continue , it will damage your children. What sort of relationship role-models will they see?

Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 13:00

I found out about DARVO on mums net. Opened my eyes I tell you x

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 13:03

Yes it does sound familiar, but he accepts what he did and apologises, but because my reactions are so extreme (telling him to leave, that I hate him for what he’s done etc) he manages to shift it on to my “unreasonable” and “abusive” language and make the original problem a non issue.

Most of our arguments, no matter what about, end with him saying I’m controlling and he wants more freedom. Even that note I found ended like that.

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Pamspeople · 13/06/2023 13:03

Seems like you really don't want to hear what a terrible partner and father he is, and want to hold onto the fantasy that there's some magic thing that you can do to turn him into a great guy, or even just a good enough guy. You're having a second child with him despite his previous behaviour so you must not feel like you are worth better, perhaps because you didn't have great childhood. You've got all these responses here telling you he's a loser but I suspect you're skimming them, hoping to read something different.

Please take some time, OP, to really read what people are saying. You might not be ready right now but at some point you're going to be on your own because this guy is not a good man and will continue to treat you badly. Good luck. Maybe start with the Freedom Programme online.

You are worth more than this life of worry and self doubt.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 13:04

@Pamspeople Not at all. I just don’t want to unfairly portray him as a total dickhead and have smoke blown up my own arse, because that won’t help me either.

I know we both have major faults.

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Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 13:06

I think your responses are healthy.

I just think you need to stick to them and keep him kicked out. I can only imagine how he'd react if he found a note from you written like that.

Just think about it, I bet you'd never treat him like that. So why are you accepting it from him?

As women, we are so conditioned we need to accept this and that, as if we're responsible for the break up of our relationships and family unit. However it isn't you, it's 100% him. You can teach your children the acceptable treatment in a relationship. Be their model.

gamerchick · 13/06/2023 13:06

Poor kids being stuck in the middle off all that. What do they need?

Nanny0gg · 13/06/2023 13:06

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:37

@ZeldaWillTellYourFortune Well, I didn’t and still don’t know if he’s actually cheated, but it does appear that way. He strongly denies it.

Despite his attitude with me, he is an absolutely amazing father and our son adores him.

Those statements contradict each other.

He is modelling how you treat your partner to your child.

He doesn't appear to have changed. Why are you surprised?

Nanny0gg · 13/06/2023 13:08

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:55

I don’t want to unfairly portray him as some kind of monster though. Everyone loves DP, he’d do anything for anyone, he’s that kind of a guy, and overall he is a kind soul too - but, our relationship… eh. Is it me??

Well, he apparently doesn't do 'anything' for you

Why are you expecting him to change?

StopStartStop · 13/06/2023 13:08

That sounds awful, OP. I'm sorry you are in this position.

It isn't your fault. You aren't 'as bad as each other'.

What he wants...
To make you suffer for his own satisfaction
to keep you on edge so you can't relax, because that way you will be more obedient
maybe even to get you to let him out of the relationship - in a way that makes him seem like the 'poor guy, living with a crazy woman'.

Search 'covert narcissist'. Great guys. In public.

Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 13:09

I know it's hard to swallow and you might be ready to make moves just yet.

If I were you, I'd at least get my ducks in a row and be prepared. Whether that is financially or mentally.

My friend ex swore blind he was not cheating. He also accused her of being crazy. He gaslit her that much she ended up on antidepressants, thinking it was her.

Guess what reader, he was after all. With his boss. What a cliche. 15 years gone like that and the sick arse made her believe him so much she ended up on medication
Don't be my friend.

FuckNuggets · 13/06/2023 13:11

I got half way through your post and couldn't read anymore. He's a dick and you're controlling. I couldn't live like that. Leave him, you'll be much happier as a single parent.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 13:12

@Opaljewel Awful. Funnily enough DP cheated on his ex girlfriend with his work mate, that he still works with today. I know many people would have an issue with that, yet I have never made it a problem!! But somehow I’m just “sooo controlling and unreasonable.”

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Opaljewel · 13/06/2023 13:14

He has form then?

I really do feel for you. You don't sound like you need or deserve this.

But if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Funny how you're the controlling and unreasonable one when you're not the one who is behaving like this?

These men honestly. 😥

Caraduneytunes · 13/06/2023 13:15

Boundaries aren’t for controlling other people, though.
they’re for, and about you. What you cannot live with, cannot accept.
so you’ve done step 1: you’ve expressed you have boundaries around this behavior.

step 2 is: what do you do if/ when that boundary is violated?
you need to remove yourself and your children. You’ve made it clear this behavior will not suit, it’s not something you want to live with.

but boundaries are meaningless if you’re doing nothing to move yourself away from the behavior.

you cannot change him. If he heard your boundary and did the behavior anyway, that’s important information for you.

if you do absolutely nothing, you’re basically teaching him (and yourself) that you can state something you will not tolerate in your life, and it doesn’t actually mean anything.

so you have some options, you can insist on counseling to become clear (to him and to yourself) what boundaries mean, and come up with a way together how you both can live your lives as you desire while respecting each others autonomy (he maybe needs to find another fucking hobby besides going out drinking?)

you can have a trial separation and ask if he is willing to examine and address his disregard of your partnership,

you can get your ducks in a row and leave - not as a threat to hold over his head and make him change (he won’t.), but in order to actually leave and make a new and better life for yourself.

otherwise, laying down this kind of law is meaningless. You’ve stated what you refuse to tolerate, now don’t go back on yourself by tolerating it.