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DP and boundaries. Am I just crazy?

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randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:16

DP and I have been together 8 years, 1 DS3 and another on the way. No ring on my finger, various excuses over the years ranging from “my parents never married, I don’t see the importance” to “I want to make it special” and “why would I marry you when you’re constantly having a go at me.”

DP was less than faithful in his previous relationship and was open with me about this on our first few dates, stating it was towards the end of an unhappy relationship that he should have ended.

When I was pregnant with DS, DP developed a habit of going out for a few drinks and happening to stay out until the early hours, often ignoring his phone. The worst occasion I locked him out and sent him to his parents when he tried coming in around 6 AM.

Months down the line, I found a small hand written note fallen from a cupboard, detailing how he had met this wonderful woman and he had “never felt a connection” like this before and never felt more understood. Admittedly there was nothing specifically romantic about this letter but it was enough to spark the fury and pain in me. After a bit of digging, it transpired he had been with said woman (and other friends) on the night he had stayed out and I locked him out. He was apologetic, adamant it was platonic however said that “if I wasn’t so horrible to him then he’d have spoken to me about his feelings and life, instead of that woman. She was there to listen to him and understood him.”

I asked around and was told by everyone that nothing happened between them and it was just platonic, and that this woman was just “one of those harmless women.” Nevertheless, it left a sour taste in my mouth, hurt me deeply and I’ve never fully recovered. To add insult to injury, he explained that he had written said “note” (or love letter as I call it) whilst on a painting trip and ASKED TO WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING MEANINFUL OF LATE. Forget his unborn son, of course!

This was years ago and I set boundaries then re various things that had irked me, like his occasional like of semi naked women on social media.

Fast toward to a couple months ago, I’m pregnant again, randomly scrolling social media and find that DP has liked a lingerie photo of a woman he knows, but doesn’t follow. They have mutual friends and he has met her, so it’s not some random model on the other side of the world, and he KNOWS I’m not ok with this because we’ve discussed it in the past when he has done it. We live in a digital age, and a like of a lingerie photo is more than just a like, if you know the person.

I’m furious, and I tell him he’s not welcome home that night and he should go to his parents. I’m hopeful he’ll show some remorse, but instead he goes out drinking with friends. When I speak to him on the phone and admittedly lay in to him, saying some things I regret, he hangs up the phone and stays out with his phone off until 7 AM, having said he can’t bare coming home to me and my “abusive verbal assault” leaving me pregnant and stressed with our 3 year old.

We talked things over the next day, but he turned it on to me and basically said that he feels like he has no life anymore, no hobbies, can’t go out for a drink with friends because he knows I’ll apparently be upset about it etc. I said I would play my part but still wasn’t happy about what he had done, as it wasn’t the first time and he has repeatedly disrespected my boundaries re other women and things like this. He doesn’t go out drinking often anymore, but when he does I rarely have an issue, I just don’t want him out until the early hours.

I didn’t actually believe he was remorseful but fast forward to last night and he is trying to gaslight the shit out of me, telling me I’m crazy and it’s “not a big deal” and even my best friend told him that it was a “bit much” which I’m also furious about, as I confided in her about this argument, not for her to go discussing it with him and sympathising.

At the end of the day, we share a child and I’m pregnant with another, I don’t think I’m unreasonable for being furious that my DP has yet AGAIN ignored my boundaries. It doesn’t matter what it is, if we have discussed it and he has promised not to do it, then does it, it’s not ok. He of course thinks I am the unreasonable one, and as mentioned has turned this all on to me and wants ME to change. I’m a SAHM for a year now, a joint decision because I hated my job and DP wanted to go back to his business full time. We moved out of the city and I fucking hate it here too, it makes me miserable but he’s had a go at me for saying that because it’s “negative.” My mental health is in tatters renting here, but I’m wrong for not “making the most of it.”

I feel like I am completely alone now, I know pregnancy hormones are raging but my family live abroad, I feel betrayed by DP and now my best friend, and I just want to run away. My family aren’t even that supportive generally and I didn’t have a great upbringing, which doesn’t help my loneliness now.

In his mind I’m just a raging lunatic with potentially undiagnosed BPD. Thanks to ME telling him this, it’s not a weapon he can use, but he has done many shady things that have led us here.

Another example is when he was in London working for the day, then text me around 7pm saying he was finishing a drink at the pub then getting the train. Fast forward to 9pm, he says he’s running for the train. His phone goes off, and I don’t hear anything until 6 AM when he’s knocking at our front door. The train journey is 1 hour. He “missed the last train and slept in a park.” Yeah, pull the other one. I’m expected to believe this, and I let it go.. eventually. Would you have?

Still, when I think about a break up my heart breaks for our son and the new baby. I don’t know what to do. Counselling?

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MagicBullet · 13/06/2023 16:42

My own experience is that I blow up like this when I have been keeping a lid on things that aren’t ok for the sake of a peaceful relationship. And then the last thing just issued me over the hedge and I blow up/get very angry.

So I’m wondering if there isn’t some other stuff going on that slowly is putting the pressure.

The locking him out… I wouldn’t do that but that’s personal. And many many posters are advising some OP to do exactly that when their dh decides to nit come back until 6.00am. So it feels 😂😂🤪🤪 when posters are now telling you it’s not ok tbh….

Watchkeys · 13/06/2023 16:43

if I wasn’t so horrible to him then he’d have spoken to me about his feelings and life, instead of that woman

Leave him. If he can't even choose a partner that makes him happy, how can he be trusted to provide the best for his partner and children?

He's manipulative. It was your fault, according to this quote, that he had to go and find understanding elsewhere. He could have talked to you. He could have told you he needed something different for you. He could have asked you if something was up.

MagicBullet · 13/06/2023 16:47

I’d be very careful about anyone telling you you are verbally abusive tbh.
It’s a bit easy to label anyone who gets angry and shouts as being abusive. That’s not what abuse is.

Is it the best way to react? Nope.
Does it mean you are ‘as bad as him’ or worse that it’s all your responsibility because if you were talking nicely to him, he’d be all lovely and you could sort the issues out? Nope.

It does mean you are at the end if your tether and the whole marriage is bringing the worst out if you, rather than the best.
And it’s also probably a sign that your boundaries and his expectations on life simply aren’t compatible.

MagicBullet · 13/06/2023 16:49

if I wasn’t so horrible to him then he’d have spoken to me about his feelings and life, instead of that woman

I very much doubt that.
Someone who is wanting to communicate doesn’t behave the way he does. Someone who wants to build bridges doesn’t use the other person weaknesses to put them down.
That statement what he is telling you. Not the reality.

Watchkeys · 13/06/2023 16:52

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 14:12

@pillsthrillsandbellyache this is how I feel, and I have said this to him. The only way for us to work is for me to NEVER express my true feelings. Obviously he disagrees

So you have to leave him.

I know we both have major faults

What faults do you have in other areas of your life? What are you like with your family and friends? Colleagues? Are you generally regarded as being controlling, abusive, and unreasonable?

existingusername · 13/06/2023 17:01

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:45

@LividHot But what if he’s not? I was
hopeful that if we attended counselling, maybe he’d come clean. He seems so genuine when he says he has never cheated and would never cheat, but obviously these occasions I’ve described are more than a little fishy.

I think he's got a drug problem that he's hiding ❄️. Rather than cheating maybe he's going out and getting on the gear.

strawberrywhisk · 13/06/2023 17:09

I'm sorry, but until you take charge of your own life and future this man is going to carry on treating you like a doormat and gaslighting you, till one day he will most likely walk out and leave you in a position of having fuck all. Is that what you really want? Don't you think you need to protect you and your children?

BenandGerrys · 13/06/2023 17:11

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 13/06/2023 12:34

Why choose a cheating asshole to be the father of two children? Why?

That's what I was wondering?

Longtimeloiterer · 13/06/2023 17:14

If you have any self esteem please ditch him. I know you're pregnant (and life won't be easy) but the way he's treating you is dreadful. Not just dreadful actually but soul destroying.

perfectcolourfound · 13/06/2023 17:41

If I found a love letter written by my DH about another woman, I'd call it a day that day.

Why do you want to be with a man who lies, cheats, falls for other women, won't let you be honest, makes you walk on eggshells, calls you crazy, gas lights, stays out all night and won't answer his phone.

He isn't a wonderful father you know. Great fathers don't treat their children's mother like dirt. They don't go out all night and refuse to answer their phone. Great fathers, when asked to write about something meaningful, when they have just become a father, would likely write about that, not another woman.

Better to leave him while your children are young. They will be fine.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 18:26

@perfectcolourfound well, most recently he stayed out because of how much shit I gave him on the phone when I found out he was out having a jolly. He said he wasn’t coming home to verbal abuse.

this was around 8pm and he ignored his phone until 7 am the next morning.

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monsteramunch · 13/06/2023 18:27

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 18:26

@perfectcolourfound well, most recently he stayed out because of how much shit I gave him on the phone when I found out he was out having a jolly. He said he wasn’t coming home to verbal abuse.

this was around 8pm and he ignored his phone until 7 am the next morning.

Do you really think he's an 'amazing father' when you read this back?

He isn't.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 18:29

@monsteramunch I mean, I told him I hated him, he was a shit dad and that I was taking our son and moving abroad to my family. He took this as a threat and said it was abuse. Obviously it wasn’t very kind of me but I was really upset and have admitted it was wrong of me since

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monsteramunch · 13/06/2023 18:33

Don't you think OP that all things considered, the best case scenario here is that it's a toxic, unhealthy relationship with a wide variety of ongoing issues, resentment and tension?

And don't you also think that it's unfair for children to grow up under the same roof as that dynamic, learning that it's what a normal relationship is supposed to look like?

Staying together is not in the kids best interests here. All they're doing is learning damaging lessons about what adult life should look like I'm afraid.

Pinkdelight3 · 13/06/2023 19:03

You're going round in toxic circles on here and in reality - he's shit, you give him shit, he's shit. Never mind having a garage and a bigger garden. This set-up is untenable. You know it which is why you threaten to go. He knows it which is why he stays out. When are you going to deal with it properly instead of rowing about it? Do something about it and end this toxic spiral. I suspect the answer is never, but hope springs that you'll sort it for your DCs sake.

user1471538283 · 13/06/2023 19:08

He engineers these fights so he can do what he wants. He should want to get home to be with you all. But he doesn't.

I would get rid of him now.

2kids2catsnolife · 13/06/2023 19:14

Where is he going to til 7am? Repeatedly? Cos I bet he's not sleeping at the station.

ItsNotWhatItsNot · 13/06/2023 19:14

@Freefall212 crucially, there is no marriage. It’s in the first paragraph, he’s just a boyfriend. OP needs to get employment urgently and secure a home for herself and the soon to be 2 kids dragged in to this farce. OP should absolutely cease being dependent on a crap boyfriend she’s in a disastrously vulnerable situation by choice.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 13/06/2023 19:22

I think your in a really difficult situation here, your DP seems to yearn for the single life and you are an unmarried SAHP with no local family and support. You could look into couples counseling but ultimately you need to cover yourself in case it goes south with the relationship. Look at your options for getting back to work, benefits etc as you may well be going it alone with two kids.

LivingDeadGirlUK · 13/06/2023 19:24

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 13:20

@Pinkdelight3 i suppose. My job was very toxic, DP encouraged me to leave due to that, and because he wanted to go back to work full time. He said he could support us, and he does.

We made the decision to move out of the city so we could have a bigger garden and a garage, I was happy to at the time but have realised it’s not for me and it makes me really miserable being here.

Is your name on the property?

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 19:35

@LivingDeadGirlUK it is, yes

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monsteramunch · 13/06/2023 19:39

Don't you think OP that all things considered, the best case scenario here is that it's a toxic, unhealthy relationship with a wide variety of ongoing issues, resentment and tension?

And don't you also think that it's unfair for children to grow up under the same roof as that dynamic, learning that it's what a normal relationship is supposed to look like?

Staying together is not in the kids best interests here. All they're doing is learning damaging lessons about what adult life should look like I'm afraid.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 19:41

@monsteramunch I don’t know what to think anymore. Our son doesn’t see this side of things, we make sure of it. I think I’m more scared of my children having a broken home, in a way I’m willing to sacrifice my happiness for them.

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pillsthrillsandbellyache · 13/06/2023 19:58

Your children already have a broken home. God knows what your son is learning watching you cling on to a man who disappears for the night. There's no stability there for them at all. It's not a house filled with love. Like I said before if you insist on staying with this man, learn quickly how to put up and shut up with a smile on your face. Ask him to be discreet for the sake of your children but otherwise he can crack on. They will notice that their mum can never relax and is anxious all of the time so act your socks off.

monsteramunch · 13/06/2023 20:18

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 19:41

@monsteramunch I don’t know what to think anymore. Our son doesn’t see this side of things, we make sure of it. I think I’m more scared of my children having a broken home, in a way I’m willing to sacrifice my happiness for them.

You say that but you won't be able to keep the toxicity of this relationship secret from him for his childhood. You won't.

Lots of us have parents who would say exactly what you've said (that they never fought in front of us / were careful we wouldn't hear etc) and we can tell you we did know. We felt the tension, heard the hushed tones arguments while we were in bed, felt the low level resentment etc.

And never saw our parents display a genuinely happy, healthy relationship.

It's far preferable to see two parents happy, healthy and single living separately than growing up under the same roof as an unhealthy relationship and thinking it's the way it's supposed to be.

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