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DP and boundaries. Am I just crazy?

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randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 12:16

DP and I have been together 8 years, 1 DS3 and another on the way. No ring on my finger, various excuses over the years ranging from “my parents never married, I don’t see the importance” to “I want to make it special” and “why would I marry you when you’re constantly having a go at me.”

DP was less than faithful in his previous relationship and was open with me about this on our first few dates, stating it was towards the end of an unhappy relationship that he should have ended.

When I was pregnant with DS, DP developed a habit of going out for a few drinks and happening to stay out until the early hours, often ignoring his phone. The worst occasion I locked him out and sent him to his parents when he tried coming in around 6 AM.

Months down the line, I found a small hand written note fallen from a cupboard, detailing how he had met this wonderful woman and he had “never felt a connection” like this before and never felt more understood. Admittedly there was nothing specifically romantic about this letter but it was enough to spark the fury and pain in me. After a bit of digging, it transpired he had been with said woman (and other friends) on the night he had stayed out and I locked him out. He was apologetic, adamant it was platonic however said that “if I wasn’t so horrible to him then he’d have spoken to me about his feelings and life, instead of that woman. She was there to listen to him and understood him.”

I asked around and was told by everyone that nothing happened between them and it was just platonic, and that this woman was just “one of those harmless women.” Nevertheless, it left a sour taste in my mouth, hurt me deeply and I’ve never fully recovered. To add insult to injury, he explained that he had written said “note” (or love letter as I call it) whilst on a painting trip and ASKED TO WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING MEANINFUL OF LATE. Forget his unborn son, of course!

This was years ago and I set boundaries then re various things that had irked me, like his occasional like of semi naked women on social media.

Fast toward to a couple months ago, I’m pregnant again, randomly scrolling social media and find that DP has liked a lingerie photo of a woman he knows, but doesn’t follow. They have mutual friends and he has met her, so it’s not some random model on the other side of the world, and he KNOWS I’m not ok with this because we’ve discussed it in the past when he has done it. We live in a digital age, and a like of a lingerie photo is more than just a like, if you know the person.

I’m furious, and I tell him he’s not welcome home that night and he should go to his parents. I’m hopeful he’ll show some remorse, but instead he goes out drinking with friends. When I speak to him on the phone and admittedly lay in to him, saying some things I regret, he hangs up the phone and stays out with his phone off until 7 AM, having said he can’t bare coming home to me and my “abusive verbal assault” leaving me pregnant and stressed with our 3 year old.

We talked things over the next day, but he turned it on to me and basically said that he feels like he has no life anymore, no hobbies, can’t go out for a drink with friends because he knows I’ll apparently be upset about it etc. I said I would play my part but still wasn’t happy about what he had done, as it wasn’t the first time and he has repeatedly disrespected my boundaries re other women and things like this. He doesn’t go out drinking often anymore, but when he does I rarely have an issue, I just don’t want him out until the early hours.

I didn’t actually believe he was remorseful but fast forward to last night and he is trying to gaslight the shit out of me, telling me I’m crazy and it’s “not a big deal” and even my best friend told him that it was a “bit much” which I’m also furious about, as I confided in her about this argument, not for her to go discussing it with him and sympathising.

At the end of the day, we share a child and I’m pregnant with another, I don’t think I’m unreasonable for being furious that my DP has yet AGAIN ignored my boundaries. It doesn’t matter what it is, if we have discussed it and he has promised not to do it, then does it, it’s not ok. He of course thinks I am the unreasonable one, and as mentioned has turned this all on to me and wants ME to change. I’m a SAHM for a year now, a joint decision because I hated my job and DP wanted to go back to his business full time. We moved out of the city and I fucking hate it here too, it makes me miserable but he’s had a go at me for saying that because it’s “negative.” My mental health is in tatters renting here, but I’m wrong for not “making the most of it.”

I feel like I am completely alone now, I know pregnancy hormones are raging but my family live abroad, I feel betrayed by DP and now my best friend, and I just want to run away. My family aren’t even that supportive generally and I didn’t have a great upbringing, which doesn’t help my loneliness now.

In his mind I’m just a raging lunatic with potentially undiagnosed BPD. Thanks to ME telling him this, it’s not a weapon he can use, but he has done many shady things that have led us here.

Another example is when he was in London working for the day, then text me around 7pm saying he was finishing a drink at the pub then getting the train. Fast forward to 9pm, he says he’s running for the train. His phone goes off, and I don’t hear anything until 6 AM when he’s knocking at our front door. The train journey is 1 hour. He “missed the last train and slept in a park.” Yeah, pull the other one. I’m expected to believe this, and I let it go.. eventually. Would you have?

Still, when I think about a break up my heart breaks for our son and the new baby. I don’t know what to do. Counselling?

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2bazookas · 13/06/2023 13:16

One of you has to change. It's not going to be him.

Will counselling persuade you to accept longterm infidelity and lying "for the sake of the children"????

Your other change option, is to cut your losses, separate, and face life as a single parent with a brighter future ahead.

Pinkdelight3 · 13/06/2023 13:18

I think focusing on the detail of him liking a lingerie photo and such are clouding the much bigger issue. You've given up work and moved to somewhere you hate to rent to be a SAHM to two DC and are 100% fully reliant on this relationship with a man you're not married to and who you do not trust. It's no bloody wonder you're feeling insecure! You have zero security, throwing your lot in with a man who thinks he's given up so much for you but could walk away at any moment and leave you high and dry and completely fucked.

He may or may not be cheating, and he may or may not be a good dad (I tend to agree with those who say that good dad don't treat the mums so badly), but the bottom line is, he's proven himself to be unreliable and he's never going to give you more commitment than he currently does and clearly wants to give you even less. You demonstrably have no control over his behaviour no matter what boundaries you set and he'll only use such things against you to make more bids for his freedom.

So what you really need to focus on is your own situation and what control you can gain over that. How you can get some financial independence, whether from benefits or going back to work as soon as feasible after the baby, how you can move to somewhere with more support. You'll say these things aren't possible no doubt, but without them you're trapped in this cycle of relying on a man who is not reliable and will become less so. Anything you can do to build your own strength and not let him deplete you even more is a step forward.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 13:20

@Pinkdelight3 i suppose. My job was very toxic, DP encouraged me to leave due to that, and because he wanted to go back to work full time. He said he could support us, and he does.

We made the decision to move out of the city so we could have a bigger garden and a garage, I was happy to at the time but have realised it’s not for me and it makes me really miserable being here.

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Ineededthat · 13/06/2023 13:26

I don’t think I’m unreasonable for being furious that my DP has yet AGAIN ignored my boundaries

You’re unreasonable because you’ve had ample fair warning, yet you stick with him and get pregnant again. What makes you think he’d change? You sound difficult too to be honest

Bluebells1970 · 13/06/2023 13:30

You both sound completely incompatible, and that you need to separate.

No child wants to be raised by parents who can't go through one day without arguing.

Hopefully you can co-parent better than you can be in a relationship.

Pinkdelight3 · 13/06/2023 13:33

There are other jobs and other places to live. He may support you month to month but you're not married and the house is rented so you've put yourself in an extremely vulnerable, powerless position. You're trying to gain some power with these boundaries but as others have said - boundaries are for you, not him and you're not enforcing them so they're meaningless really. What choice do you have other than to put up with them, if you won't consider leaving? Seems like he told you he was a cheat, refused to get married and is free to please himself and have an affair (whether he is or not), while also getting the benefits of having a SAHM to his two DC who he gets to play 'great dad' to. It's a shitty deal for you, but as long as you settle for it, that's what you'll get.

Lcb123 · 13/06/2023 13:45

Sorry but he is not an amazing father. Why are you pregnant again after that behaviour. You need to leave, and get counselling for yourself

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 13/06/2023 13:46

I've had situations like this but I've thankfully not had children with them

You don't trust him because he is not trustworthy!
You then act crazy because he makes you think you're in the wrong.
Don't go down the rabbit hole, just end it amicably, and co-parent as well as you can

Lcb123 · 13/06/2023 13:46

Oh my god, and you’re not married whilst being SAHM. Why did you think he’d change, they never do

Lillygolightly · 13/06/2023 13:47

Essentially what he wants is to have his family life at home, yet wants to be able to live as though he is free and single when he fancies it no questions asked from you. He wants you waving him off and door with a smile and welcoming him home with open arms when he gets back. While he may not have spelled it out like this, this is what he’s asking for, this is what he means when he says he wants you to be nicer to him.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m am not for minute suggestion he is reasonable in wanting the above, just pointing out what it is I think he wants. Some people just can’t be faithful, they are for whatever reason incapable, doesn’t mean he wants to leave you, it just means he can’t deal with the expectations of a trusting and monogamous relationship.

What do you want? Do you want to spend your days with someone who you can’t trust? Who you can’t change? Because there is no magic words or spell that’s going to make him suddenly trustworthy and faithful to you! This is who he, this is what he is, he’s broken your trust in the past and he won’t accept the consequences of that because he still hasn’t admitted his guilt. He wants all your trust issues to just disappear off into the sunset without acknowledging or making amends for the fact that he is the one who caused them in the first place.

I know it’s hard when you have a child and are pregnant but as lovely as he may be as a father and when he’s at home with you there is no way I could accept this, this wouldn’t be enough for me. It clearly isn’t enough for you either, you deserve so much better!

heartofglass23 · 13/06/2023 13:52

It's toxic Leave him

YoucancallmeKAREN · 13/06/2023 13:57

You made your life choice's now you need to decide if you can stay within this relationship. Maybe you need time without a man in your life, maybe it is time for you to think really hard about how you will allow others to treat you.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 13/06/2023 14:08

The only way this relationship will work is if you keep your head down, mouth shut and let him do as he pleases. He will never change, he will never care about how his behaviour affects you so you can live with constant battles or just ignore whatever he does if you are not prepared to leave him.

randommangoandpear · 13/06/2023 14:12

@pillsthrillsandbellyache this is how I feel, and I have said this to him. The only way for us to work is for me to NEVER express my true feelings. Obviously he disagrees

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SpringleDingle · 13/06/2023 14:12

A boundary you don’t enforce is just a suggestion. Enforce your boundaries if they are really boundaries otherwise don’t be surprised if shitty people walk all over you. He is behaving badly but you are letting him do it.

pillsthrillsandbellyache · 13/06/2023 14:23

Well he can't admit it can he? It's the only way though so up to you. I couldn't live like you do but I'm not you.

Mariposista · 13/06/2023 14:30

Readyplayerthr33 · 13/06/2023 12:45

Stop getting pregnant.

This, and get a job!

CovertImage · 13/06/2023 14:43

cocksstrideintheevening · 13/06/2023 12:26

I don't think either of you come off well in the above, sorry.

Do you like anything about your life with him?

However, if they are your boundaries they are your boundaries and you are entitled to them. He won't change though,

I've read all of the comments so far and I agree with this one.

Plus he may be a dickhead but - despite what several posters above have said - he's not the MN favourite "abusive", which often means on here "doesn't behave exactly how I want him to"

MammaTo · 13/06/2023 14:43

OP you don’t want to listen to reason so why put it out here?
You even said it’s all very cliche.
Think of your kids - waking up in the morning to dad getting home at 6am (probably after taking drugs). It’s not a nice life for them.

Turfwars · 13/06/2023 15:48

They aren't really boundaries are they?

You've no bargaining power here - you rely on him for income as a SAHM, but you've no protections that a marriage would give you. You are pregnant again so now twice as trapped. You know it and he knows it. He can and is, behaving as he likes because there's fuck all you can do about it.

That's not a man who's a great dad. It sounds like a horrible home life for your child that's caught in the middle if Dad is sniping at mum and blaming her for the audacity to request he behaves like an adult and you feel like you can't open your mouth.

As a mental exercise, if you won the lottery in the morning and was set financially for life, would you put up with his shit, his all night benders and his wandering eye?

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 13/06/2023 16:05

I don't think you sound difficult, or that you're doing anything wrong. I think you sound at the end of your tether and unwilling to accept you made a bad decision to choose this man as the father of your children when he is a cheater who acted nice until he had trapped you with a baby and you had left your job.

Now you're pregnant again - of course you can't leave him! And why would you, when he throws you the bare bones of 'being great with his son'?

You've been naive and now you have a child and another on the way, you're stuck with him in your life for at least another 18 years.

Hairpinleg · 13/06/2023 16:22

Couples counselling isn't going to make him care if he's currently capable of staying out all night cheating and then telling you that you are 'crazy' for having an issue with it. Men in relationships don't 'like' photos of other women they know in lingerie. That's really seedy. He wants to be able to sleep around, stay out as long as he wants and have you intimidated by him that you say nothing. When you're at the stage of having to ask his friends if he slept with someone, it's pointless.

HowAmYa · 13/06/2023 16:30

You shouldn't have to prove cheating to leave someone who isn't right for you.

He has no respect for you and you sound like you're turning into someone you're not.

I cant understand why you'd have another child with someone who acts like this (sorry had to be said).

One of you needs to find the balls to call it a day on this. Don't bring up kids around this appalling relationship. Split and Co parent instead. Someone else can worry about him staying out till 6am

Gettingbysomehow · 13/06/2023 16:33

You should just dump him, you should have done it the first time he cheated on you.
He is a massive prick and will never change.

Freefall212 · 13/06/2023 16:37

This is just a very unhealthy marriage. His expectations and boundaries don't align with yours nad you fly off the handle and are verablly abusive when he doesn't do what you want.

Your boundaries and expectations may be very reasonable but your way of handling it all the dynamic between you is very unhealthy. And this is not the kind of releationship where you should put 100% of the financial responsibility for a family on one person. You need to go back to work and contribute and balance this relationship out. It seems it has been unhealthy for along time but you have stuck it out. If you want out of the cycle, then make that choice

But if / when you leave you need to work on your own abusive tendencies because no healthy partner wanst to be with someone with anger management issues and where they have to walk on eggshells and where they never know when the other person will release a torrent of verbal abuse on them. He puts up with your toxicity because you put up with his.

Every adult is 100% responsible for their own actions and reactions.