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Had a baby with a hoarder but I can’t cope anymore with him moving in.

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Onetwothree45 · 04/06/2023 10:45

We have been together 3 years and have a 6 month old. We lived in separate houses. His house was always a mess and full to the brim. I then got pregnant and he has moved into my house. His house is going to be rented.

I can’t cope anymore every drawer and cupboard is getting filled with things he has never used or did 15 years ago. He brings empty packages and rubbish. He won’t sort through and organise anything. I can’t put his clothes away as his drawers are full of crap like memorabilia or wires and old tablets etc. He has clothes from childhood in them when he’s 33 now. There is shit absolutely everywhere. He keeps going to charity shops and car boots and getting more when his house is probably only 30% empty. He gets quite angry when I put my foot down. We’ve got 5 bookshelves full of dvds now and several drawers. So nothing can be put in them.

I can’t cope anymore and have been crying all morning. He’s thrown a strop and filled up his car and taken a load back to his house. I can’t see this working. I’m really unhappy and don’t like being in my house. The baby will be crawling soon so it’s dangerous. Every time I speak to him he has an excuse or say Im just moaning again. It’s never going to end we will be surrounded by rubbish.

He got upset yesterday as I threw away a chocolate fish that was 6 years out of date but he wanted to keep it as a memento.

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3luckystars · 04/06/2023 12:58

You are going to be ok.

just think about what you can do and can’t do:

Don’t
Don’t waste another minute trying to change him, even a trained professional is going to have a lot of work to do and that’s IF he admits he has a problem and seeks help. It could take years.

Don’t beat yourself up, you did not know the extent of the hoarding

Don’t let your child live another day with a hoarder, it will traumatise them, they won’t be able to have comfort in their home or have any friends over and it could really affect them

don’t give up on your job

Do:
Do what you can do is get him out of your house now, no more Ms. Nice

Do brutally clear out his things out of your house with the strength of somebody lifting a horse over their head.

Do get help. Pay a cleaner, get assistance, just remove all traces of the hoard asap or you will get used to it.

Do: Be happy with your decision, the only worse thing than wasting 6 months if your life like this, would be wasting 6 years.

I say this as a child of not one but two hoarders, you can do this.

Zarataralara · 04/06/2023 12:58

Onetwothree45 · 04/06/2023 10:52

Yesterday he couldn’t even cope throwing away worn out shoes. He kept every pair he’s ever owned and they all falling apart.

Hoarding is a form of mental illness, apparently often linked to bereavement. It gets worse over time. Friend of a friend has been married to a hoarder for 40 years, her life is so miserable. No one can visit, every room is full of junk and if she tries to move any of it anywhere he goes ballistic. She’s in her 60s and has put up with this since about 1980.
Move him out and then make a plan for childcare — a lodger living rent free in exchange for childcare if necessary.

hotinthesun · 04/06/2023 12:59

i had an ex bf that was a hoarder i could not put up with it i hate clutter cant stand it it was a nightmare with him piles of shirts i mean piles boxs of crap every space was filled i had it one morning told him to leave i rang his mum she was lovely she came over and it was 3 car lodes of crap she told me she as no where to put the rest and told me to bin it it took me a whole day to bin everything even a 4 foot bird cage no bird he dident care about splitting up he just wanted all his clutter he had a room full of crap at his mums house .

knobheeeeed · 04/06/2023 12:59

He has to leave your house and go back to his, with all of his stuff, immediately. This will not change until he recognizes he has a problem and gets help.
If you want the relationship to continue he can live in his own place and you live in yours. He can come round to yours to spend time with you and the baby but he can't bring any of this crap with him.
If he is serious about the relationship and being a family then he can get help and once you see a significant improvement - ie. he declutters his place and it remains decluttered for a period of a few YEARS, then perhaps you could consider him moving back in.

You are a mother. Your first priority is to your two children. You say that the home is now dangerous for the 6 month old due to the clutter. You haven't got anywhere to store any more stuff and the house is full of clutter. That is extremely hazardous for the baby and damaging to the mental health of the seven year old.
Stop with all the excuses about not having childcare and not being able to afford to pay for your home. How were you affording it before when you had the seven year old alone? What were her childcare arrangements?
Get this hoarder OUT and once you have done that you can decide how to proceed. You will have to get childcare for like any other single mother. He will have to pay child maintenance.
You cannot allow your children to grow up in a fucking shit tip, dangerous pigsty

TheShellBeach · 04/06/2023 13:01

You are right that your baby will soon be crawling.

A hoarder's house is not safe. And hoarders themselves are very selfish.

My sister was a hoarder and I know how obstinate they are - her three DC were taken into care temporarily when the third one was born because of the state of the house. The rest of us went to her house and got a skip and literally threw out a load of her stuff (the bath was piled high with wet clothes and one of the bedrooms was piled high with dry, old clothes from jumble sales which didn't fit anyone). My sister went crazy in the night and went out to the skip, gathering as much as she could and returning it to the house.

It is a serious mental illness and as it is affecting you so badly and as you rightly fear for your child's safety, I believe that splitting up with the baby's father is your only option.

FarFarAwayB · 04/06/2023 13:02

I am so sorry you are facing this. He will only change if he gets the right help and wants to.

I am posting some links. If you have the time make a cuppa and settle down to read them through. Citizens Advice have loads of information on their website so have a look at these (England, but there are options for specific Scotland and Wales law). You can visit your local CA office or phone/email them. Your local council will have childcare information on it’s website.

good luck

https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/hoarding-disorder/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/

https://www.entitledto.co.uk/

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/about-us/contact-us/contact-us/contact-us/

nhs.uk

Hoarding disorder

Read about hoarding disorder, including why it might happen, why it's a problem and what can be done about it.

https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/hoarding-disorder/

TicTac80 · 04/06/2023 13:03

Re: your DP. that sound bloody hard (for all involved!). I think it would be best if he moved back to his place (and took all his stuff with him). Then you guys can still have a relationship (if you wanted that), but he's able to hoard to his heart's content and you can keep your lovely home as you want it. Does he recognise that he has a problem and wants to fix it?

Re: jobs and childcare. Your kids have a similar age gap to mine (except mine are older: 9 and 16). I don't know what you do for a job, but when I went back to work (and thank fuck I did, or I'd be screwed now!), my youngest went to nursery (7:30am to 6:30pm) and my eldest was at school (but went to breakfast club and after school club). I'm a nurse so childcare is very tricky, but we're on a good and even keel now. I'm a single parent, working FT, so I do get that it isn't easy!

Pipsquiggle · 04/06/2023 13:04

This is a hill to die on. He needs to recognise he has a mental illness and get help or leave.

My DH's family were /are hoarders. My DH didn't invite his mates around from when he was about 9 years old onwards as he was ashamed - fancy being ashamed of your home at that age?!

My DH'S dad still has a C&A coat of my DH's from when he was 13. He is now 43 and hasn't lived at home since he was 18. Every room is completely full, it's awful.

My FIL's home is a shit hole and I hate going around, I go maybe once a year for a few hours.

Be warned. This could be your future unless your DP gets help.

MammaTo · 04/06/2023 13:05

The stuff is besides the point. He is NEVER going to sort through it or throw it away as it is an illness.
He could have 8 bikes or 18 it makes no difference to him.
He needs professional help, therapy or something to help with his compulsion. It’s not as simple as him being a messy person or too lazy to sort his stuff out, this is an illness like a form of OCD. He needs professional support.

Beautiful3 · 04/06/2023 13:07

Tell him to move back to his house. Take all his stuff with him. Explain you need a breather, as it's difficult living together due to his hoarding. He can still visit but not move in. Encourage him to sek counselling for his hoarding.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/06/2023 13:09

He's abusing you and your children. It's your house, get him removed and his shit gets skipped the next day (yeah, he'll kick off, but he'll never collect it, not in a day, not in a week, not ever - and he'll always go on about some random bit of shit that probably wasn't ever there in the first place, even if you provided him with absolutely everything).

Claim UC, find childcare, get back to work. Don't agree to 50:50 - fight it all the day on the grounds of his unsafe environment - and claim through CMS.

You will be fine and your children will be safer without him stealing your home - and the air - out from under you.

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 04/06/2023 13:10

We have a hoarder in the family......you won't cure him. Don't even bother trying.

Our family member is lovely, and in his defense will let us take things to the tip, but if we put it in the bin he'll have it out the second we leave. He's been a hoarder for the 80 years he's been here so pointless trying now and it was pointless trying in the past.

TheShellBeach · 04/06/2023 13:11

Actually, there was a tragic end to my sister's hoarding.

After many years, for various reasons, her house was repossessed and she was offered a council flat. By this time the three children had grown up.

My sister was absolutely distraught because there was no room for what was in her four-bedroomed house (plus extension and garage), in the small, one-bedroomed council flat.

It broke her. I mean, it really broke her - having to throw away her hoard. She perceived this experience as the greatest tragedy of her life.

She battled with the council for three years, complaining about absolutely everything in the flat - she claimed she could not open the door, that it was too big and stiff, and she kept calling her housing officer to come and help her to get in.

It was nonsense, of course - but it was her way of fighting back against the evil people who had made her throw away her hoard. Thirty years of collected shite.

Eventually she developed cancer and died. I actually think the stress of getting rid of her hoard had a lot to do with that.

Her children had a very, very difficult childhood as a result of her hoarding. She could be a sweet person, (but incredibly obstinate) and she had a markedly selfish side, too.

I believe that hoarders spectacularly lack insight. After all, an old pair of shoes, which no longer fit, and which are in bits, are completely useless - but a hoarder will feel a visceral, burning, extreme distress if asked to dispose of those shoes.

snowydays10 · 04/06/2023 13:15

Hoarding is a mental disorder, usually there is some sort of underlying mental health problem. Very easy for people to just say “leave him” without understanding the financial implications. I would have a discussion with him about seeking help or you will have to separate.

Fisharejumping · 04/06/2023 13:20

Do not go any further with this relationship. I've seen this happen to a close friend. He will take over your home and it will ruin quality of life for you and your children. My friend's mental health is shot and because she doesn't want to confront him she takes it out on me, her best friend. It's awful, but I have been friends with her since childhood and want to help. This is serious. Please please consider your options and find a way to leave him.

Fisharejumping · 04/06/2023 13:22

snowydays10 · 04/06/2023 13:15

Hoarding is a mental disorder, usually there is some sort of underlying mental health problem. Very easy for people to just say “leave him” without understanding the financial implications. I would have a discussion with him about seeking help or you will have to separate.

He probably won't see it as a MH issue. The OP should find a way to make it possible for herself to leave. Nobody should be trapped in a relationship for financial reasons. If she leaves him it might be a wake up call that gets him to seek help.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 04/06/2023 13:26

I'm sorry OP but don't feel guilty. You didn't realise the extent of his hoarding until he moved in You can't rationalise with him and his actions are irrational due to MH
You do need to safeguard your DC by getting him and his hoard out of the house immediately
Stand firm. He can go back to his own place. You can navigate co parenting when he's out
This will not improve and you are not responsible for asking him to seek therapy
He will drag you down, ruin your property and your DC childhood
Don't panic, you will get financial help to manage and he will have to pay maintenance which is not counted as income for benefits
CAB will advise and even help apply for benefits with you.
There are links upthread which can estimate your entitlements

UniversalAunt · 04/06/2023 13:27

Get out of this situation as fast as you can, use every bit of help such as helplines Social Services to get you & your children into a safer environment.

‘I literally can’t understand why …’ because hoarding is a complex psychological condition, often trauma based. You are not here to fix his life & situation, & he is not yet in a position to make change until he gets specialist help.

Your children need - & so do you - a safe & clear environment, free of clutter & unsafe junk. The priority for you as their parent is to make sure that this is so, otherwise you are putting them at risk.

You have barely seen the tip of the hoarding berg.
He has barely started…

NeverDropYourMooncup · 04/06/2023 13:28

but a hoarder will feel a visceral, burning, extreme distress if asked to dispose of those shoes

From experience, I'll make an adjustment to your statement there.

'a hoarder will feel a visceral, burning rage if they feel somebody is thinking thoughts that might threaten the Stuff and will often respond with both reactive and pre-emptive violence to protect it.'

Tinkerbyebye · 04/06/2023 13:28

Hoarding is a mental illness and he needs to get professional help. Until then I would be asking him to live at his place

then look at what benefits etc you can claim if you can’t go back to work as a single household

Starlightandsandytoes · 04/06/2023 13:30

Hoarding is a complex issue and one that needs specialist therapy. Once he’s had therapy and is ready you may then be able to tackle the physical stuff. It’s not an issue that will be resolved easily so seeking specialist support is key.

UniversalAunt · 04/06/2023 13:32

How can his house be rented out ?
If it is full of his hoarding?
Wishful thinking?

He needs to go back there now.
Take the junk with him.

The reality of living with a hoarder is now starkly laid out in front of you.
YOU HAVE CHOICE - take action now.

Hoarders UK has some support groups: https://hoardinguk.org/abouthoarding/

About Hoarding | HoardingUK

https://hoardinguk.org/abouthoarding/

Elleherd · 04/06/2023 13:33

NeverDropYourMooncup · Today 13:28
but a hoarder will feel a visceral, burning, extreme distress if asked to dispose of those shoes

From experience, I'll make an adjustment to your statement there.

'a hoarder will feel a visceral, burning rage if they feel somebody is thinking thoughts that might threaten the Stuff and will often respond with both reactive and pre-emptive violence to protect it.'

That was my mothers reaction. Mine at the height of it was to find it more possible to dispose of myself.

Elleherd · 04/06/2023 13:35

I grew up in a squalor hoard and ‘stuff’ was of far more value than I was. As others have said it’s a mental illness. The stuff is the symptom of the illness, not the illness itself, just as skin and bones is the symptom of anorexia, not the illness. Neither anorexia nor hoarding is cured by becoming a parent. It isn’t a choice.
Even when you recognize it and seek help there’s no easy answers. But as an organized clean hoarder, I can tell you hoarding doesn’t have to be dirty and chaotic. Hoarding is an excessive need to acquire/difficulty in discarding. Nowhere is there a requirement for dirt and chaos within it.
That happens because of how people with the disorder often live, but it absolutely isn’t compulsory!

It is easy for it to become chaotic; just pile stuff up, and don’t tidy it. Lack of interest, time, or health can all allow chaos to take hold.
After that dust collects. Add a little damp and the dust becomes dirt, mildew, rust etc. A water leak here, a forced pile to allow works access there, then something happens, and things get left, mold starts to grow, infestations of things like moths, turns into a food source for mice and your off. Soon they can’t get at the leak etc, water gets turned off, and downhill it all goes. This doesn’t have to happen.

A simple answer when you can’t just get rid, is keep it clean, organized, and moving. A rolling stone gathers no moss. It isn’t a cure, but it stops it becoming a horrible shameful existence.

I didn’t expect to end up a hoarder and don’t know how much is genetic, how much is learnt behavior, but even self-aware and actively fought, it’s a horrible condition and ending one’s own life can seem the only exit.
Help, real genuine help, is rare. There is a whole industry around hoarding, most of it’s just money making.

I’ve done a lot of helping other hoarders get their homes back, routines in, and helped them move forward. But that can only be achieved with a lot of work and patience, no ulterior motives, and the person with the issue, genuinely desiring change.

Making decisions about what he can keep or not, will make it worse. Knowledge, kindness and understanding, but with very clear boundaries, protects you, your children, and him.
What’s going on right now is enabling him, trying to force his symptoms only, into not existing, and bad for all of you.

Your partner is in the worst stage of the condition- blind to it, and ruled negatively by it, unable to discuss by the sounds of it, and having to act protectively over it, entrenching himself further.
There’s lots you could do to change the dynamic, but quite simply there’s no reason why he needs to live with you for the relationship to continue, if you love each other.

It is your responsibility not to allow your children to grow up ruled by their father’s mental health condition, if he can’t.

jannier · 04/06/2023 13:35

Agree to live in separate houses but parent together.