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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
SleepingStandingUp · 09/05/2023 16:52

ReadersD1gest · 09/05/2023 16:41

So you tell your partner every waking thought and feeling and they're not allowed any private thoughts?
Private thoughts? He's sharing with the neighbour, but not op!

But we don't know what he said to the neighbour. He might have said Omg I'm so embarrassed you saw me cry, don't tell my partner cos I don't want to have to go into it with anyone, thanks for asking but no I don't want to talk. Rather than him impregnating her, her dumping him on the front lawn and him bawling his eyes out whilst he pours out all his feelings to her like some on here would like

Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 16:52

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 14:00

Yes.
Honestly, I found op oddly pushy, nosey and intrusive.
I don’t think her behaviour is normal.
If someone would demand to know why they saw me crying, asking again and again and planning on going to ask other person, I would be creeped out.
I know were all different, but surely not all of you think op’s behaviour is healthy?

Friends Kids GIF by Storyful

Pushy, nosey, intrusive and creepy to ask your husband who is crying in the garden why he was visibly upset, which was witnessed by both op and her ds?
So upset he had to go off for a drive to pull himself together- and is then subsequently denying it?

Good grief, now I’ve heard it all - some people on MN will really twist themselves in knots just to be obtuse.

Also lol at killing an animal and having to hide the evidence - he’d just tell her wouldn’t he? What sane person wouldn’t?

OP - there’s clearly something going on between your dh and the neighbour. Would he have the opportunity for an affair, does he work from home? Go off alone much? Also he’s quoting directly from “the script” - attacking you for “always questioning him” etc. He’s gaslighting you to fuck!

WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 16:53

MysteryBelle · 09/05/2023 16:44

Read your updates.

Adding up the clues you’ve given us so far, it looks like he may be in love. Desperately and miserably. More in love with her than she is with him.

  1. Neighbor talked to you at first but then only talked to your dp. Polite hello to you then disappear but talked to dp regularly.
  1. Dp suddenly decides lawn must be cut, in the rain, right now, must be done. He meets with neighbor at fence for 30 minutes, no mowing.
  1. He is sloppy crying and distraught. Neighbor calm. Possibility: he is upset begging her to not to end it. She says it’s over.
  1. He can’t keep standing there crying and he can’t come into the house to cry because you’re there. He slips in, gets key, sits in car to compose himself.
  1. He told you he was going to cut the grass so now he has to or else explain, so he cuts the grass in the rain.
  1. Denies crying, is belligerent with you, tells you to leave him alone, you’re watching his every move etc etc etc. Won’t explain, sulks, lectures you.
  1. He can’t sleep. Wakes early and sits downstairs in the dark for an hour before work.

Someone in love will do all manner of strange and inexplicable things, just like your dp. Yes, cry when he’s never cried before. These things taken together indicate he may in love and miserably so.

As an aside…he refuses to speak with you on the phone but speaks to everyone else on the phone. He doesn’t hate speaking on the phone, op. He hates speaking on the phone with you.

Neighbor is slightly older than him. You’ve been with dp for four years. She’s been your neighbor for 18 months-2 years.

It kind of all adds up.

“Nothing makes this man cry. Nothing.”

Well, something did. After meeting neighbor at fence for 30 minutes when he had told you the lawn absolutely had to get cut right now in the rain.

Thank you for taking the time to write this out. Obviously it isn’t what I want to read but I appreciate being able to read it written out like that by someone unbiased.

OP posts:
Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 16:53

Sorry, I have no idea why that random photo was just added to my post!

Emdubz · 09/05/2023 16:54

Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 16:53

Sorry, I have no idea why that random photo was just added to my post!

Was pondering the hidden meaning 😁

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 16:54

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 16:51

Well excuse me for not knowing there were relationships out there where no breathing space is allowed.
I know there are strange relationships out there, but this is too strange!

Your reactions are the strange ones, @SinglePonders and the fact is so many people have called you out on it that it should give you pause for thought. Your thought process regarding relationships is not normal at all. The one you think about relationships indicates you have a very abnormal and strange approach to relationships. Very strange indeed. Many, many others have said as much. Take the hint.

Snazzysausage · 09/05/2023 16:57

I suspect she was ending their affair. He insists on mowing the lawn in the rain,ok but why would the neighbour be out there stood in the rain? She's talking to him calmly, he's crying. No mowing. I can't think why the neighbour would be out in the garden in the rain unless they'd agreed to go outside together. If he simply fancies her and he'd noticed her outside, popping out to the bin or whatever, by the time he got out there she'd be gone again. It's the rain that makes me think it was pre arranged.

DancedByTheLightOfTheMoon · 09/05/2023 16:58

They are either having an affair, or he is being a pest and she has threatened to tell you.
My married neighbour was a bloody nuisance until l threatened to tell his wife, that did the trick thankfully, l avoid him like the plague.

inamarina · 09/05/2023 16:58

Mumofnarnia · 09/05/2023 16:25

He did drive off and then came back.

He started crying in the garden though.
It just seems odd to me that a man who according to OP is rather reserved would suddenly get all teary and emotional about his affair ending. Angry about the rejection - yes, but teary?

Napoleonsjosephine · 09/05/2023 16:59

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 16:51

Well excuse me for not knowing there were relationships out there where no breathing space is allowed.
I know there are strange relationships out there, but this is too strange!

Are you ok? Honestly what you’re posting is incredibly weird. Confused

SleepingStandingUp · 09/05/2023 17:00

@Neopolitan · Today 14:45

She is his wife!! It is 100% her business! She deserves to know, and needs to know!

I wonder how many people would insist he NEEDS and deserves to know every one of ops thoughts and feelings if the shoe was on the other foot? That if she ever talks about her feelings to a friend, she must immediately come home and report every word to him. She's allowed no private worries or feelings or thoughts. Nope, he has to be updated constantly.

DancedByTheLightOfTheMoon · 09/05/2023 17:00

Personally l would speak to her for peace of mind, especially because you have kids, this is not normal behaviour something is definitely up.

JoshLymanIsHotterThanSam · 09/05/2023 17:03

Bathintheshed · 09/05/2023 13:50

I never suggest this on threads but in all honesty my first thought was that she called off an affair.

Yes this. I am speaking from personal experience too.

When younger I was a complete Twat and had an affair with a married man. When I broke it off he ended up having to tell his wife because he’d been crying in the garden.

PizzaPastaWine · 09/05/2023 17:05

Sounds like an affair to me OP.

I'd tell him tonight that either he tells you what the conversation was or you'll speak to the neighbour. If he refuses to tell you then you have your answer.

His reaction to you is not the reaction when in a healthy relationship.

momtoboys · 09/05/2023 17:07

You NEVER have spoken to him on the phone but he is on the phone all the time when he is home?

ChairFloorWall · 09/05/2023 17:09

I think those crying it’s an affair are doing a fair bit of reaching based on not much. It would be really stupid to end an affair in the front garden knowing the OP was at home 🙄

It could be an affair, but don’t like them posters cloud your own judgement and common sense, OP

shysquirrel · 09/05/2023 17:12

Silkierabbit · 09/05/2023 16:20

The only thing I can think of is maybe he thinks he has something like cancer, doesn't want to worry you and so keeping it to himself, neighbour spotted him crying, he replied fine, got car keys for drive so could cry in private then came back. Or something he's ashamed of like he's lost his job but doesn't want to tell you that. Very odd. I would ask neighbour but she may know nothing or pretend to know nothing.

I think something like this is a real possibility

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/05/2023 17:14

JJ8765 · 09/05/2023 14:26

I’m a parent of a disabled child which is exhausting and sometimes overwhelming. This is exactly something I would do on a bank holiday where other families get to have easy, uncomplicated days out doing stuff I can’t do anymore. Give the bloke some privacy you don’t get to police his thoughts and feelings.

This. You asked him, OP, and he said nothing wrong/he's ok. Leave him be.

I would be really annoyed to be pestered about it and asking the neighbour would be such overstepping and a breach of trust.

This site is affair-crazy. Everything is an affair and there's an OW lurking behind every busy. Pathetic!

Give your partner some dignity. He'll tell you if/when he's ready.

Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 17:16

ChairFloorWall · 09/05/2023 17:09

I think those crying it’s an affair are doing a fair bit of reaching based on not much. It would be really stupid to end an affair in the front garden knowing the OP was at home 🙄

It could be an affair, but don’t like them posters cloud your own judgement and common sense, OP

It may not be an affair but - Occam’s razor innit? The most obvious answer is usually the right one, and 90% of posters are saying “affair”. It’s the only thing that adds up - either that or he’s up to something with someone else whom the neighbour knows and has threatened to tell op - otherwise why wouldn’t he just tell the op what had upset him or say “yes I was upset but I don’t want to talk about it”. Many, many affairs are carried out in plain sight - a friend of mines dh had an affair with the next door neighbour, whom she herself was friendly with - the fallout when it came out was spectacular- and nobody had any inkling even though they were always chatting over the fence, it seemed innocuous at the time!

ChairFloorWall · 09/05/2023 17:18

Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 17:16

It may not be an affair but - Occam’s razor innit? The most obvious answer is usually the right one, and 90% of posters are saying “affair”. It’s the only thing that adds up - either that or he’s up to something with someone else whom the neighbour knows and has threatened to tell op - otherwise why wouldn’t he just tell the op what had upset him or say “yes I was upset but I don’t want to talk about it”. Many, many affairs are carried out in plain sight - a friend of mines dh had an affair with the next door neighbour, whom she herself was friendly with - the fallout when it came out was spectacular- and nobody had any inkling even though they were always chatting over the fence, it seemed innocuous at the time!

It’s not the most obvious answer though is it.

Posters just below my post have given ones that are more likely.

MN are far too quick to jump to affair - this is a real persons life, not a drama series.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/05/2023 17:18

Bathintheshed · 09/05/2023 13:50

I never suggest this on threads but in all honesty my first thought was that she called off an affair.

Yep, first thing I thought of too. Something has been going on with them and she’s called it off. Would explain the refusal to talk about it and the behaviour for the rest of the night.

Rosscameasdoody · 09/05/2023 17:24

ChairFloorWall · 09/05/2023 17:18

It’s not the most obvious answer though is it.

Posters just below my post have given ones that are more likely.

MN are far too quick to jump to affair - this is a real persons life, not a drama series.

He’s out mowing the lawn in the rain. The neighbour is out there talking to him - in the rain. He’s been crying. He refuses to tell the OP why he’s upset, spends the rest of the night a strop, gets up early and sits downstairs after not sleeping. Yes, this is a real persons’ life and if it’s not an affair, or him trying to start one and being turned down, then he should tell the OP what the problem is, as it’s obvious she’s worried.

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 17:25

ChairFloorWall · 09/05/2023 17:18

It’s not the most obvious answer though is it.

Posters just below my post have given ones that are more likely.

MN are far too quick to jump to affair - this is a real persons life, not a drama series.

Yes, it is the most obvious answer. That's the whole point. It's the only really, really obvious answer. Nothing else really fits.

Neverquitehappy · 09/05/2023 17:27

Honestly he sounds like a dick. Whatever the reason treating you like an idiot/pest is really not on. Ask the neighbour & if you don’t get anywhere ask him again, & if he gets angry at you tell him to fuck off.

Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 17:27

I think some posters are verrrry naive!

If you haven’t been affected by an affair or no one close to you has it may not seem like an obvious answer - but to most people who see this crap going on quite a lot it seems pretty obvious.

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