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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
AppaTheSixLeggedFlyingBison · 11/05/2023 08:22

Oh OP, I'm so sorry. I was watching this thread and praying there would be some other good reason other than an affair.
Sending lots of love to you. Do you have any friends that could come round at the weekend to spend time with you?
I know it might not feel like it now but you are better off without him

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 11/05/2023 08:30

💙

usernamealreadytaken · 11/05/2023 08:33

HRTFT but have read your posts. So sorry you've been pulled in to such a horrible situation. I hope you and DS can rebuild a much happier life without Despicable Dave and his neighbour-assisted "stalker" 💐

justasking111 · 11/05/2023 08:38

I'm sorry this has happened to you. A year from now everyone says you will be in a better place. He's a deceitful human being, you deserve better

millerpie · 11/05/2023 08:42

I’m so sorry you’re having to go through this OP.

Bananarepublic · 11/05/2023 08:48

NoPrivateSpy · 11/05/2023 07:52

Oh, OP, not a good update. I am so sorry. What an absolutely vile man but well done for being so calm and clear on what to do next.

Also a bit shocked the neighbour didn't at least hint that you need to talk to your partner about what he's been up to. No solidarity there then!

This must be an awful shock. He is a selfish, arsehole liar to the nth degree.

These kind of men probably don't change their story much. I bet he's made the OP out to be a weirdo nutcase to the neighbour, hence her avoiding her. Otherwise she'd surely have had it out with the piece of shit partner a long time ago. He's probably made out he's desperate to get away, hence her condoning the relationship with her niece and avoiding the OP.

notsinging · 11/05/2023 08:49

OP, I've been watching the thread and I'm so sorry that this has been the outcome. But at least you know who and what he is now, without wasting any more of your life and love on him. I think you've handled the situation incredibly well and I just want to wish you all the best for a happy future.

pizzaHeart · 11/05/2023 08:51

Sorry that you are going through this. I admire you for staying so calm and dignified , you are such a strong woman.

CaroleSinger · 11/05/2023 08:53

Well you know he's still lying. My take would be everything he told you was a reverse. It's not her that's crazy and it's not her stalking him. It's him who has a thing for the nice, it's him who won't leave her alone and Jill was warning him off to stay away from her once and for all. Eitherway yes, you know enough that it needs to be over. Sadly you've still got to live next to Jill who obviously thinks you are part of the problem and seems in some way to hold you responsible for his behaviour. He was probably crying because she threatened to tell you if he didn't stop.

OrlandointheWilderness · 11/05/2023 09:24

I'm so so sorry.

chocorabbit · 11/05/2023 09:25

So, he doesn't like talking to you on the phone - under any circumstances - yet she has a special ringtone. And he can't be bothered to keep an eye on your DCs for 10 minutes so you can shower Shock I have seen complete strangers offer help to women with children.

chocorabbit · 11/05/2023 09:28

He doesn't seem to have any time to spend with you as he is always on his phone but he has time to get her number, WhatsApp, SM accounts to obviously text, call, and goodness knows what else.

chocorabbit · 11/05/2023 09:29

CaroleSinger · 11/05/2023 08:53

Well you know he's still lying. My take would be everything he told you was a reverse. It's not her that's crazy and it's not her stalking him. It's him who has a thing for the nice, it's him who won't leave her alone and Jill was warning him off to stay away from her once and for all. Eitherway yes, you know enough that it needs to be over. Sadly you've still got to live next to Jill who obviously thinks you are part of the problem and seems in some way to hold you responsible for his behaviour. He was probably crying because she threatened to tell you if he didn't stop.

Exactly, as many pps have already said why make contact with a stalker and not just a mobile on every other platform?

StillWantingADog · 11/05/2023 09:32

I'm so sorry OP but I am pleased you have kicked him out without delay. Onwards and upwards. it's a good job you saw him crying because this could have been strung out whole lot longer.

It it your house/his house or shared? Either way you will get yourself sorted out. Sounds like your kids' dad can help with the kids which is a good start.

Crikeyisthatthetime · 11/05/2023 09:39

Well done OP, you didn't let him fob you off and you got to the truth (enough of it at least).
I'd be longing to know what stories he's been telling the neighbour about you, to make her avoid you but not him, until now.
Sending hugs and positive thoughts.

Koalawhala · 11/05/2023 09:40

The fact that he willingly left says it all really. What a fool he is. I’m sure more info will emerge for you but in the meantime stay strong and look after yourself

Thelifeofawife · 11/05/2023 09:45

Sorry to read your update OP. Thinking of you and your boys. Stay strong, you will get through this 💐

Neopolitan · 11/05/2023 09:47

I wouldn't be surprised if he knocked the underaged cousin up and is in danger of being exposed as a predator and he would be in trouble with the law. It is very serious for a grown man to 'cry' over a teenage girl. Stalker, yeah right, that's what all the men say. They all blame it on the "crazy woman". He was doing her. And by the OP's own admission they themselves were barely in a relationship with him, he was hardly home, who knows what or who he is doing.

Dita73 · 11/05/2023 09:48

@CaroleSinger i completely agree. I think he’s the stalker

Tdcp · 11/05/2023 09:50

Dita73 · 11/05/2023 09:48

@CaroleSinger i completely agree. I think he’s the stalker

Me too. The 'woman' (or girl) is very rarely the "crazy" one in these scenarios.

Neopolitan · 11/05/2023 09:58

CaroleSinger · 11/05/2023 08:53

Well you know he's still lying. My take would be everything he told you was a reverse. It's not her that's crazy and it's not her stalking him. It's him who has a thing for the nice, it's him who won't leave her alone and Jill was warning him off to stay away from her once and for all. Eitherway yes, you know enough that it needs to be over. Sadly you've still got to live next to Jill who obviously thinks you are part of the problem and seems in some way to hold you responsible for his behaviour. He was probably crying because she threatened to tell you if he didn't stop.

Nah, it doesn't sound like to me he really cares too much about the OP he was with her out of convenience. Barely ever home, off places the OP had no knowledge of. He certainly didn't cry because he was afraid he'd lose OP, he's shown it's obvious he couldn't care less one way or the other. He cried because he might have to go to jail. Or at least get in serious legal trouble. That's the only thing that fits with his crying. He doesn't love or care about the OP and is barely even in a relationship with her, is barely home, sounds more like a boarder-type setup. A man cries when he is in serious, serious legal trouble. The fact he commented that the girl is 'definitely an adult' sounds like.... protesting too much to me.

AngelaChasesBestLife · 11/05/2023 09:59

OP I'm so sorry to hear all of this. I have a horrible feeling there's much more to this then what he's "admitted" to you and more will come out for you in the coming days and weeks. That he's left without a fight is a tacit admission of guilt in itself.

One thing I've found universally through my many dealings with toxic men over the years is that they all, unaminously, describe these other women as psychos and stalkers and it's never the case. They somehow think that in doing so you'll fight for them harder to save them from this apparent psycho woman's clutches, or direct your anger to the woman instead of them. It's almost as if they think you'll think they're obviously a great catch as they've made some woman literally crazy about them. I've no doubt there's an affair going on.

I wonder if your neighbour threatened to tell you about what was going on with Gemma. That might explain the comment about wanting her family kept out of it, but I might have read that wrong.

I'm so sorry that this has happened to you. You and your boys deserve so much better.

lucylucyapplejuicy · 11/05/2023 10:00

Stay strong OP, you sound like a fabulous mum to your boys. He doesn't deserve you. POS man x

Neopolitan · 11/05/2023 10:01

Crikeyisthatthetime · 11/05/2023 09:39

Well done OP, you didn't let him fob you off and you got to the truth (enough of it at least).
I'd be longing to know what stories he's been telling the neighbour about you, to make her avoid you but not him, until now.
Sending hugs and positive thoughts.

Yes, if she took the advice of the gullible and naive idiots on here to 'leave him alone', 'drop it', 'he has a right to his thoughts' etc etc she may never have known until possible the police knocked on her door. THANK GOODNESS that she did not 'leave him alone'!!! Just goes to show you always have a right to know and don't stop until you learn what it is.

Fraaahnces · 11/05/2023 10:01

Also OP, you have done nothing to be ashamed of. Please let your friends and family know about this dickish behaviour and don’t protect his reputation. Nothing you have done “caused” him to behave like this. He CHOSE to do this and needs to live with all of the consequences and you are going to need the support of your loved ones. Don’t hide away or let him gaslight you by saying “If you had only just….” Or “All the things I did for you…” it’s all bullshit. He chose to behave this way and he needs to reap the rewards.

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