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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
elm26 · 11/05/2023 00:54

PyongyangKipperbang · 11/05/2023 00:37

Oh how horrible and predictable.

Funny how the OW is always "crazy" when the wife/partner finds out isnt it? I suspect the tears are because either she is going to tell you or, imo more likely, she is up the duff.

Either way he knows his world is about to be blown apart and is trying to get you onside so that when she announces all of her news to the world, you wont believe her.

I dont know whats worse, the fact that he is clearly cheating and still trying to lie about it, or the fact that he thinks that you are stupid enough for fall for this embarrassingly juvenile shit.

Stay strong sweetie, you found out and kicked him straight out. I didnt when mine did something similar and I will regret that for the rest of my life. Took me another 5 years to get rid of him. Good for you.

Agree with this, OP.

So sorry for you. If your neighbour is referencing leaving her family alone it could be that this Gemma is married too. What a shitshow.

It's you and the kids in the middle I feel sorry for, but you've done the right thing. Stay strong x

CustardySergeant · 11/05/2023 00:54

Viviennemary · 11/05/2023 00:50

All sounfs very stange. You were probably mistaken.

Mistaken about what?

CherryCokeFanatic · 11/05/2023 00:57

I think he has been shagging this Gemma.

Met her somehow e.g. dating app and then your next door neighbour being her relation has somehow found out and is threatening to tell you etc. which has upset him as he wants to have his cake with you and eat it shagging Gemma. Damage to car because Gemma wants him to leave you for her, maybe he even promised that to her and hasn’t delivered.

Id be finding out her age asap. Even if she is an adult, if she is like 18/19 then depending on time frames there could be do some dodgy doings there too

CherryCokeFanatic · 11/05/2023 00:58

Or yes Gemma up the duff a real possibility and he doesn’t know what to do and neighbour has got involved somehow wanting to tell you etc. or he has pushed for abortion and wants neighbour to pass messages to Gemma etc.

PyongyangKipperbang · 11/05/2023 00:59

Been thinking further and I wonder if the age of "Gemma" is the issue here. A 25 year old with an older man is one thing. But a 16/17/18 year old is a whole different kettle of grim.

The tears could well have been because the family have found out and he is now going to be answering some very serious questions. It would certainly explain why she was "young" and then "an adult" Well technically 18 is both.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 11/05/2023 01:04

@CherryCokeFanatic

I'm thinking possibly pregnancy too. My friends fucking arsehole boyfriend who was cool as ice and unemotional the entirety of their years long relationship turned into a blubbering sobbing wreck when she got pregnant and emotionally blackmailed her into a termination. The waterworks instantly stopped once she had the termination and he completely ignored her crying for weeks afterwards.

Puppyseahorse · 11/05/2023 01:05

Definitely sounds like some
accusations are coming from the neighbour. Maybe Gemma’s young, maybe he’s been harassing her, who knows. You are far better off out of it.

bizarre that he doesn’t show emotions and won’t speak to you on the phone. For many reasons you are better off out of it.

CrocsOrWarmboots · 11/05/2023 01:06

OP stay strong, don't even think about having him back, he's not worth it. You will survive, he on the other hand has nowhere to live, and has been dumped twice in 72 hours.

WhatTheHeal · 11/05/2023 01:29

CrocsOrWarmboots · 11/05/2023 01:06

OP stay strong, don't even think about having him back, he's not worth it. You will survive, he on the other hand has nowhere to live, and has been dumped twice in 72 hours.

“Dumped twice in 72 hours” did make me smile, just a bit. Thank you.

Thank you everyone for the replies and the hand hold. I’m not sure I’ll ever find out for sure why he was crying (although I’m pretty sure we’ve worked that out now), but I also don’t care anymore. I know all I need to.

I’m going to try and sleep now x

OP posts:
MsDogLady · 11/05/2023 01:29

I’m so sorry for the pain you are feeling, WTH. What a lying low-life Dave is. He’s been cheating and leading a double life with Gemma, possibly facilitated by Jill. Now you know the true reason he’s been out constantly and who he’s been messaging right under your nose. He was in tears because of trouble in their romance.

He just served you a shit sandwich and insulted your intelligence with that ludicrous story and deleted messages. He has been an exuberant participant in this affair, and is taking you for a fool with his cliched ‘crazy OW’ Script. He has clearly been telling Gemma and Jill that you are the crazy one, hence Jill’s reaction to you.

Well done for sending this Player packing. He’s a nasty piece of work who has devalued and conned you and your precious boys after all of your kindnesses. He also robbed your consent/choices and risked your sexual health. You’ll need to have an STI test.

WTH, stay strong and don’t allow him to hoover you. Keep posting for support.

AliceOlive · 11/05/2023 01:36

I am so sorry you are going through this. Glad if it had to happen that it unfolded rapidly.

Take care of yourself.

Mamamess · 11/05/2023 01:42

Night night op hope you get some sleep x

Mumofnarnia · 11/05/2023 01:47

Oh yeah… heard that before, the crazy stalker ha ha. That’s what they say to deflect the blame when they’re caught out having an affair. She’s no stalker, he’s been having an affair with this Gemma. Wouldn’t put it past him if he’s been stalking and harassing her and that’s why Jill wants you to leave her family alone!

He will have deleted his messages first, hence why he didn’t hand his phone over but then later decided it was ok to do so after going through his phone to delete them first!

well done for getting rid of him op! Don’t listen to anymore of his lies. Best thing to do is go to your neighbour and be apologetic but tell her you as absolutely no idea and just want the truth.

SchoolTripDrama · 11/05/2023 01:53

@Feetinthemudandleaves So because a man cried when talking to a neighbour and won't tell his partner why, that is SO bizarre to you that it 'must be fictitious' 🙄 Do you troll hunters never give up?!

It's hardly far fetched is it?! Man (very likely) has affair with neighbour and gaslights his missus about it. It's a situation MILLIONS of women have been in ffs!

Fraaahnces · 11/05/2023 02:05

I’m so sorry you’ve been so badly misled by such a creep of a man @WhatTheHeal. You and your boys deserve better, and let’s face it - being alone is ever so much better than having someone in your life as spineless as this. You should probably let your neighbour know that you confronted him and he told you a whole lot of rubbish that was enough to to let you know that he’s been lying to you and he’s gone and is not coming back, so she won’t have to worry about seeing him around anymore. Perhaps one day she’ll give you the full story. (If you want or need it.) I know life with kids with special needs is difficult, and I suspect your life is going to be easier now you won’t have to be adding HIS needs onto your incredibly long list of things you need to do.

MouseMinge · 11/05/2023 02:08

I do "love" the whole, 'you can look through my phone now ' as if you're too dim to notice that it's been pretty much wiped clean. What an arsehole of very little brain he is.

momonpurpose · 11/05/2023 02:19

It's ALWAYS the crazy stalker. Op I promise you there is a beautiful life ahead of you and someday this will have been a blessing. We are all wishing g you the best and sending hugs

DividedHouses · 11/05/2023 02:21

OP, I am so sorry. Please take a tiny bit of comfort in the fact that there are nearly 800 replies on here and the vast, vast majority wishing only the best for you, hand-holds, hugs, flowers, all positivity going forward. This isn't to minimize the fact that you're going to be having a tough time initially, transitions are hard, including for your boys. But you know this is the best course of action and the other thing we're all rooting for is that you'll be able to enter a calm period, and your future relationship, when the time feels right, will be with someone who deserves you and loves you 100%.

Silver lining of living with a dickhead, his hobbies and his never parenting your boys is that there's not much to miss in the end.

QwertyGurty · 11/05/2023 03:07

Flowers well done OP for being so strong. Sounds like you and your boys are going to be so much better off without this lying, cheating man in your lives x

Cantstandbullshitanymore · 11/05/2023 03:12

Mari9999 · 11/05/2023 00:35

@AliceOlive
I don't think that the OP and her partner have taken any vows, so it pretty impossible for them to break that which they for reasons of their own have chosen not to take.

He was crying in his yard. The only people who could possibly see him were the people in his house or the next door neighbor. How is the fact that she happened to be a female of child bearing age relevant to anything?

He has a right to have personal thoughts and feelings that he can choose the time, place, and circumstances in which he will share. A wife or partner does not have the right to insist that you share on her need schedule. No one likes to be badgered particularly people who are hurting. It is sad when home is not the place that you can cry, and that you find more peace in going outside to cry in the rain.

Sometimes, loving means knowing when to leave someone alone

You’re still going on with this stupid defense???

momonpurpose · 11/05/2023 03:23

It must be the husband with a fake account lol

BritInAus · 11/05/2023 03:51

Wow. I have a horrible feeling the cousin / cousin's daughter will turn out to be under 18.

what an awful man, and how stupid wiping his phone so obviously then giving it to you. Did he really believe for a second that might work?!

And of COURSE she's a crazy stalker, definitely not that he's got involved with someone much younger and is now freaking out that you'll find out the truth, hence all the 'please don't believe what they say' etc.

perhaps the neighbour will be willing to chat once she knows you've split.

I know the details don't really matter... the main thing is you've chucked him out.

im very nosey and would want to know a bit more (especially her age if nothing else).

All the best OP moving forwards. I suspect the transition to a life without him might be much easier than you might have expected x

user1492757084 · 11/05/2023 04:46

What an ordeal!
Could there be any chance that the girl is infatuated and upset about him wanting her to fix a broken mirror?
My niece had a stalker and they are crazed, totally bizarre thoughts and behaviour and hard for Police to do anything.

Pegsandsunshine · 11/05/2023 04:53

@Mari9999 your reply under OP's update looks hilariously bad now, you realise?

That aside, I wonder if there is not something more sinister going on really. If there was a damage to the car done, I don't even think it's pregnancy on its own. I think more serious allegations (violence? sexual violence? on his side) that could potentially end up in court, so he is scared they are 'setting him up'. Other people seem to be involved now, which again makes me thin k it's not something like he knocked her up. Your neighbour said "Leave my family out of it",maybe there is not just Gemma but more women out there. Who knows.
At any rate, you dodged a gigantic bullet.

CuriousMama · 11/05/2023 05:00

How awful for you. Sounds like you're well rid even without the affair.

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