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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
Noodlehen · 10/05/2023 23:37

As far as I can see your DP is the person who’s done something wrong. Now, I agree with you asking her , but now she’s asked to be left alone your beef is with your partner not the neighbour I wouldn’t go back around there.

CannotDoThisAnymore · 10/05/2023 23:37

The plot thickens.

Moonandme123 · 10/05/2023 23:38

So strange. Maybe he confided something and she doesn’t want to get involved?

WordHelp · 10/05/2023 23:40

Noodlehen · 10/05/2023 23:37

As far as I can see your DP is the person who’s done something wrong. Now, I agree with you asking her , but now she’s asked to be left alone your beef is with your partner not the neighbour I wouldn’t go back around there.

Agree. Whatever the situation, the only person who owes you any communication now is your DP.

I hope you're okay, OP.

Noodlehen · 10/05/2023 23:46

Just told the story to DH, apart from saying it sounded like a Harley Coben Netflix series plot (lol) he said what has the boyfriend been telling neighbour about you. His bet is that he’s been slagging you to her.

AliceOlive · 11/05/2023 00:02

Mari9999 · 10/05/2023 23:03

@AliceOlive
Would you go the Sherlock Holmes route.? Does the age and gender of the person who perhaps found him crying make a difference, if so why?
Does he have a right to a private cry? He obviously preferred to cry alone in the rain rather than to cry in his house. If the neighbor blundered or observed him as did the OP's child and went out to inquire. is it not reasonable for her to think, "if your partner chooses not to tell you, why should I want to become involved?"

The simplest thing for the OP would be to say that this is not the way that she wants to live. She does not have to discover the reason for his crying. She can simply say that she won't live with a man who has feelings that he won't share.

There are about a dozen factors that matter. But he wasn’t crying alone, he was with the attractive, single, child-bearing aged neighbor who is rather oddly unfriendly with the OP.

I take the “forsaking all others” part seriously. I also take the worldly goods bit to heart, because I fixed my wagon to someone else’s and I recognize how vulnerable (physically, financially and emotionally) that makes me to their mistakes. So I wouldn’t be settling for the next door neighbor knowing something important enough for my husband to cry about that was being kept from me.

I wouldn’t go the Sherlock Holmes route because it’s not my style. I would gone the “raise holy hell when he started gaslighting me” route. Also because it’s rather humiliating to be left in the dark.

If he’d said “I’ll tell you later” or anything other than a flat lie, I’d give him a bit of space.

Morewineplease10 · 11/05/2023 00:12

I know it's not ethical but I would be checking his phone if you possibly can.

And yes, the relationship is dead but I've been there and without proof it's very hard to kick them out and move on because your heart doesn't want to believe what your gut is screaming at you.

OP, this guy is really bad news whether this is an affair or something else. I hope you can find the strength to get rid, you definitely deserve better.

CherryCokeFanatic · 11/05/2023 00:15

Could he have been shagging her OP?

WouldYouLikeACrabPuff · 11/05/2023 00:18

I'm so sorry, something wrong is definitely going on.

You don't deserve to be treated and dismissed like this. You sound like an incredibly strong woman, and more than capable of finding out the truth.

I imagine you've fought so many battles to help your kids in anyway you could, but I think now you need to bring that strength to the table for yourself. With you all the way x

Hotfootgoose · 11/05/2023 00:26

Ask him flat outright. If he doesn’t give you answers tell him to leave. You have a right to
know what is going on here.

WhatTheHeal · 11/05/2023 00:29

Once we had the time this evening, he just up and went to bed. I followed and said I’m not doing this anymore, Jill has told me you’re messing up her family so that’s ours and hers then, and asked to see his phone. He refused (obviously) and went off downstairs. I didn’t follow, I’d accepted we were already done at that point I think. He came back up, and said we needed to talk. He then came up with some rambled (in places bizarre) story of how Jill’s cousin (I think maybe her cousin’s daughter?) has a thing for him. She’s been harassing and stalking him and he’s worried what she will do next. I didn’t know he knew her cousin. He kept saying she’s young and immature, he doesn’t know why shes doing it, she must be crazy, etc. When I asked how young he said “she’s an adult, she should know better”, I was starting to worry she was very young before he said that. He blamed her for some damage to his car a week or so ago (wing mirror broken, I thought it was an accident, had no idea it was malicious). He said they are setting him up, he doesn’t know what will happen next. He kept asking me not to believe them. He admitted he was crying because it’s all got too much, apparently the cousin was there when he went to mow the lawn. I didn’t see her but she could well have been. I was so confused and in two minds- part of me wanted to comfort him and believe him but a lot of what he said didn’t make much sense, he seemed to be blaming this girl a lot. Calling her crazy. And he’s never mentioned her, if he knows her well enough that she could cause him some issues (and knows where his car is parked), then wouldn’t I know her name at least? So I asked her name and he said “Gemma” and then a while later he said I could look at his phone but he said there was nothing to see. His WhatsApp just had our messages, a work group chat, a couple of his family members. Maybe one or two of his friends, I can’t remember. Photos- none. Phone log- empty. No texts! Even Facebook was logged out. I went to his contacts though and Gemma was there and she had an assigned ring tone and text tone… that told me everything.

I asked him to leave. If the boys weren’t here then I would’ve just gone, I was very much done. He took his phone, charger and his work clothes for tomorrow and went. He didn’t even argue. I don’t know where he’s gone. I’ll have to see him again because of the house. I’ll be asking the boy’s dad to have them this weekend (he usually has them for a few hours on a Sunday afternoon most weeks but I’m sure he will agree so I can sort a few things out, they used to stay there at weekends so it won’t be a massive change for them).

OP posts:
WordHelp · 11/05/2023 00:33

Oh OP. I'm so sorry. I know you mention the boy's dad - have you got some support for yourself as well? I'm really sorry - what a horrible turn of events.

Trudij123 · 11/05/2023 00:34

Oh @WhatTheHeal I’m so sorry. This sounds horrible for you - I can’t add anything to what the others have said, but I can offer a virtual hug

Mari9999 · 11/05/2023 00:35

@AliceOlive
I don't think that the OP and her partner have taken any vows, so it pretty impossible for them to break that which they for reasons of their own have chosen not to take.

He was crying in his yard. The only people who could possibly see him were the people in his house or the next door neighbor. How is the fact that she happened to be a female of child bearing age relevant to anything?

He has a right to have personal thoughts and feelings that he can choose the time, place, and circumstances in which he will share. A wife or partner does not have the right to insist that you share on her need schedule. No one likes to be badgered particularly people who are hurting. It is sad when home is not the place that you can cry, and that you find more peace in going outside to cry in the rain.

Sometimes, loving means knowing when to leave someone alone

Ferferksake · 11/05/2023 00:35

Sounds like he's been having an affair with her relative. The tales of how you are a bit crazy and unbearable to live with have gone round the family. He justifies the reason that he's having an affair by telling those tales and it makes the neighbour not want to even talk to you.

Fast forward relative wants to dump him (or have an abortion) and neighbour is given the job of passing on the bad news. He blubs.

Because he's told them you're the psycho bunny boiler she tells you to leave her family alone.

PyongyangKipperbang · 11/05/2023 00:37

Oh how horrible and predictable.

Funny how the OW is always "crazy" when the wife/partner finds out isnt it? I suspect the tears are because either she is going to tell you or, imo more likely, she is up the duff.

Either way he knows his world is about to be blown apart and is trying to get you onside so that when she announces all of her news to the world, you wont believe her.

I dont know whats worse, the fact that he is clearly cheating and still trying to lie about it, or the fact that he thinks that you are stupid enough for fall for this embarrassingly juvenile shit.

Stay strong sweetie, you found out and kicked him straight out. I didnt when mine did something similar and I will regret that for the rest of my life. Took me another 5 years to get rid of him. Good for you.

GeekInWoods · 11/05/2023 00:37

When I asked how young he said “she’s an adult, she should know better”, I was starting to worry she was very young before he said that.

That sounds like a deliberate distinction to make without actually answering the question. I'd wonder whether that was true for the entire time they've known one another.

Mari9999 · 11/05/2023 00:41

Just read that OP's update. The story that he told sounds convoluted, but he is gone and that is probably the best solution for both of them.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 11/05/2023 00:42

So he's been cheating with Gemma and he's making out to you that she's crazy and to everyone else he will be making out you are crazy. Have you tried phoning or messaging her? His cock and bull story is absolute bullshit. Have you looked to see if you have your own assigned ringtone too like she has?
Regardless, I suppose its fruitless doing any more digging. What a knob. Hope you are OK and getting some real life support.

Ferferksake · 11/05/2023 00:44

It might not feel like it right now, but you've just done the best thing you possibly could for you and your boys.

It hurts now but you and the boys deserve so much more than that loser.

Onwards and upwards. Stay strong. Massive hug x

Throughalookingglass · 11/05/2023 00:46

I'm sorry OP.

You are better off without him. It might not feel like that right now though.

Have you somebody supportive you can talk to IRL?

Izzy54321 · 11/05/2023 00:49

I’m so sorry OP for you and your children. I hope that you can be gentle with yourself and I am so glad you was strong enough to kick him out. He is lower than a snakes belly. The only part that might be true is the broken mirror!!! I hope you have support if you find it difficult to confide in your family and friends you have MN for a handhold and support.

Viviennemary · 11/05/2023 00:50

All sounfs very stange. You were probably mistaken.

CustardySergeant · 11/05/2023 00:53

"He said they are setting him up, he doesn’t know what will happen next. He kept asking me not to believe them."

That sounds as they they have made accusations against him and he's worried about the consequences for him.

uncomfortablydumb53 · 11/05/2023 00:54

Oh OP I'm sorry to read your update, it will take a while to get your head around it all, then I think you will feel lighter and brighter without him

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