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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

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DividedHouses · 10/05/2023 22:21

I feel quite cross with the neighbour on your behalf tbh OP. You haven't done anything at all to her, why is she being off and walking away?

  1. This confirms you weren't imagining it.
  2. It leaves you with a new question "my family"?
  3. Mr. Sleep-on-couch-cos-you-are-trying to argue is a double-dickhead, once for whatever he's been up to, and once for gaslighting.

+1 here for saying to him "So, I've spoken to Jill, your turn now..."

If he doesn't answer, and if he does, depending on what he says, that's three dickhead strikes, maybe time for a cooling off period, which could turn permanent.

Is it your house?

Mari9999 · 10/05/2023 22:24

OP, why go this Sherlock Holmes route? If he is upset about something and does not want to share that is not disrespecting you. That is respecting his own right to privacy.

If you do not wish to live with a man who keeps some of his thoughts private, then you should put him out.From experience, I can tell you that there is nothing more annoying than someone repeatedly asking " what is wrong? " or " why won't you tell me?" My response to that would be " why, in God's name won't you leave me alone?"

You seem not to want to live under the current condition. Just put him out; not because necessarily he has done anything wrong, but because you do not wish to live this way. If it turns out that he has in fact done something wrong, he will be gone anyway.

If he has done nothing wrong; he must view you as amazingly annoying, and he should want to be gone.

Putting him out seems as though that would be a win - win for both of you.

CaroleSinger · 10/05/2023 22:25

Yes, just say to him "Jill was rather odd earlier on. I just said hello and she told me to stay away from her family", then let him do the talking...

Naunet · 10/05/2023 22:28

Hairday · 10/05/2023 21:56

This thread is actually scary, all the mad people on it.

Men can have moments of sadness. It's not a crime, and we're not entitled to an explanation.

Are they also entitled to be rude, moody and tell lies without explanation?

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 10/05/2023 22:34

Is this one of those clever things where the OP is telling the story of a book and you guys are all playing along? If so, good one.

If not- you need to leave this arsehole OP.

Tigofigo · 10/05/2023 22:39

I'm sorry OP it does seem suspect in some way. Hope you get some answers.

AliceOlive · 10/05/2023 22:42

I’d love to know the demographics of the posters who say that upon finding their hetero spouse crying in the garden with the opposite sex, similar aged hetero neighbor, then having them lying about it, would simply give him space and privacy.

Is this a cool girl thing?

I trust mine endlessly, and have given him tons of privacy and space, always. But no way to this.

WafflesOrIceCream · 10/05/2023 22:42

Sending you a hug OP.

UndercoverCop · 10/05/2023 22:42

I'd say DP I spoke to Jill earlier, now I want to know what you've got to say about the situation

Dotcheck · 10/05/2023 22:43

CaroleSinger · 10/05/2023 22:25

Yes, just say to him "Jill was rather odd earlier on. I just said hello and she told me to stay away from her family", then let him do the talking...

This

Humanbiology · 10/05/2023 22:52

Mari9999 · 10/05/2023 22:24

OP, why go this Sherlock Holmes route? If he is upset about something and does not want to share that is not disrespecting you. That is respecting his own right to privacy.

If you do not wish to live with a man who keeps some of his thoughts private, then you should put him out.From experience, I can tell you that there is nothing more annoying than someone repeatedly asking " what is wrong? " or " why won't you tell me?" My response to that would be " why, in God's name won't you leave me alone?"

You seem not to want to live under the current condition. Just put him out; not because necessarily he has done anything wrong, but because you do not wish to live this way. If it turns out that he has in fact done something wrong, he will be gone anyway.

If he has done nothing wrong; he must view you as amazingly annoying, and he should want to be gone.

Putting him out seems as though that would be a win - win for both of you.

Do you think the op loves him and is concerned. Women who have children the majority of the time the get all maternal and loving and shit. The weird one in that relationship is him behaving like a fool in front of her children who are not his. What man does that. Let's hope he doesn't stick around because he don't her son's dealing with him and sorting him out because their mother is upset.

squidgybits · 10/05/2023 22:55

UndercoverCop · 10/05/2023 22:42

I'd say DP I spoke to Jill earlier, now I want to know what you've got to say about the situation

Best way to go, I reckon

murasaki · 10/05/2023 22:57

Yes, that sounds like the best plan.

minisoksmakehardwork · 10/05/2023 23:00

If your neighbour has only lived there 2 years and you've been together/lived there 4, is it possible dh has some history with her family that you are not aware of? Especially if you're both local to the area.

Could the niece be DP's child from a previous relationship and your DP is trying to connect, she doesn't want to get involved?

It would fit with her only talking to dh so she doesn't let anything slip to you. DP might be scared of admitting to you that he has a child too. Perhaps he's dug himself into a lie of being a single, childless man and now doesn't know how to tell you the truth.

Ultimately, only you can decide if this is a make or break situation for you. But if you know in your heart that your DP is gaslighting you about crying, then you have to work out whether whatever is actually going on is something you can face together or is a deal breaker.

Mari9999 · 10/05/2023 23:03

@AliceOlive
Would you go the Sherlock Holmes route.? Does the age and gender of the person who perhaps found him crying make a difference, if so why?
Does he have a right to a private cry? He obviously preferred to cry alone in the rain rather than to cry in his house. If the neighbor blundered or observed him as did the OP's child and went out to inquire. is it not reasonable for her to think, "if your partner chooses not to tell you, why should I want to become involved?"

The simplest thing for the OP would be to say that this is not the way that she wants to live. She does not have to discover the reason for his crying. She can simply say that she won't live with a man who has feelings that he won't share.

squidgybits · 10/05/2023 23:04

minisoksmakehardwork · 10/05/2023 23:00

If your neighbour has only lived there 2 years and you've been together/lived there 4, is it possible dh has some history with her family that you are not aware of? Especially if you're both local to the area.

Could the niece be DP's child from a previous relationship and your DP is trying to connect, she doesn't want to get involved?

It would fit with her only talking to dh so she doesn't let anything slip to you. DP might be scared of admitting to you that he has a child too. Perhaps he's dug himself into a lie of being a single, childless man and now doesn't know how to tell you the truth.

Ultimately, only you can decide if this is a make or break situation for you. But if you know in your heart that your DP is gaslighting you about crying, then you have to work out whether whatever is actually going on is something you can face together or is a deal breaker.

Are lies/ secrecy/ gaslighting not a dealbreaker in any relationship?

uncomfortablydumb53 · 10/05/2023 23:08

Neighbour was very defensive but to say " Leave my Family out of it"
Is a bit odd, as I would think it's not as simple as an affair between DP and neighbour
I think just say you've spoken to her and what is his side of the story?
But actually Is he really worth all this stress?
He doesn't value, respect or show you love and care.
What would you actually miss if he left?

OiFatArse · 10/05/2023 23:13

I hope you get some answers soon!

Oobiedo · 10/05/2023 23:16

We've not had an update in a while

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 10/05/2023 23:20

She has 2 children with additional needs and its also getting late now?!

bummerdudette · 10/05/2023 23:21

if it hasn't already beennmentioned as I've only read pages 1,2, 25, 29 and 30 (you can see I have absolutely no patience)😂...this seems like the start of a Harlen Coben drama .....alart from the crying bit to the neighbour who obviously has him sussed and has told him so, the fuck did he do when he drove away for abit? So odd!

minisoksmakehardwork · 10/05/2023 23:21

@squidgybits, OP has said her DP is very emotionally closed, this display was out of character for him. He might be struggling with revealing that aspect of himself.

If OP finds out the reason, knowing his issues with expressing emotion means this situation might be something that can be worked on together rather than walking away from.

I think sometimes we walk away from relationships without trying harder. Yes, on the face of it OP's DP isn't the best of partners - lots of hobbies, won't talk to her on the phone but does others. Emotionally closed off apart from a one off display of emotion witnessed by a neighbour and denied.

OP has asked whether she should leave it or ask DP again. Not whether she should leave him for lying, so she's clearly concerned. Leaving him might come further down the line. But for now, there's not really enough to say whether this one situation means the whole relationship is irretrievable.

Crazyinlove123 · 10/05/2023 23:22

Affair or not, he sounds like a bell end anyway. Hardly ever there, never speaking to you on the phone. I get the feeling you tread on egg shells around him. I would just get rid anyway.

But I do think there is an affair between him and someone.

Lndnmummy · 10/05/2023 23:23

I'm sorry OP, this is so strange. I am so sorry

Throughalookingglass · 10/05/2023 23:24

CaroleSinger · 10/05/2023 22:25

Yes, just say to him "Jill was rather odd earlier on. I just said hello and she told me to stay away from her family", then let him do the talking...

This.

It sounds like he has been making a nuisance of himself to someone in her family (if not her).

Tbh I can't see why you are putting up with him even without the crying/neighbour drama. He doesn't sound like he adds much to your life.

If he has lived in the area all his life and so has your neighbour, did you move in with him? Or did he leave his home in the same area to move into your home?

Do you have any support OP? The 'relationship' sounds 'convenient' - maybe for one or both of you. Not answering the phone to you/the constant hobbies/the silent treatment/the moods - it sounds so unhealthy. Surely you'd be better off without this in your life?

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