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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

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YukoandHiro · 10/05/2023 19:13

Ask the neighbour - if it's not an affair she will definitely tell you what it is (or the wheelhouse). If she obfuscates probs an affair

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MeridianB · 10/05/2023 19:13

Her reaction tells you that there is an issue with him and her. She’s also so desperate not to speak to you that she’s not even pretending to be polite.

Only your DH can tell you. I’d want to know as it seems serious and worrying.

Redebs · 10/05/2023 19:16

Are there any financial issues, OP?
I wonder if maybe a relative of hers may have caused your husband to make a risky investment or similar that has failed?

CustardySergeant · 10/05/2023 19:16

YukoandHiro · 10/05/2023 19:13

Ask the neighbour - if it's not an affair she will definitely tell you what it is (or the wheelhouse). If she obfuscates probs an affair

She HAS asked the neighbour! RTFT.

MysteryBelle · 10/05/2023 19:17

You must be the most patient person in the world. I would not put up with this for one second. Plus I’m an extremely curious person and would want to know what the heck is going on.

It is outrageous that she dismissed you with hostility and treating you as the villain “leave my family alone” what?? You’ve not done a thing to her, or her invisible family, you don’t even talk to her, this one time you’ve asked her what is going on as you saw your husband sobbing and gasping like a baby to her out in the rain. She tellingly talks to him any time of the day or night, rain or shine but tells you to leave her alone the one time you politely ask to speak to her, knowing you clearly have no idea what you h is up to. Both of them are underhanded.

Who are these mysterious family members she’s supposedly defending whom you’ve never seen and only heard reference to a possible niece one time in 2 years? She has no children, no visitors, no family you’ve ever seen.

There are two villains in this scenario and you’re not one of them.

I’d be moving out and away from the two of them, or kick him out if you own the house. Don’t tell him what you’re going to do. Just do it when you have your plan in place. Change the locks, remove all his belongings when both he and she are away at work or something for a good number of hours. Have your close family preferably big burly males to help and some friends. Show your strength. In fact the day before you surprise him with changed locks and all his stuff in a storage unit with limited time access, have a burly relative come and glower at that little ass who sleeps on your couch, what a moron he is.

Outnumberedmummy2022 · 10/05/2023 19:17

Legit was just thinking this myself. If my neighbour and my husband were being secretive like this I’d not be so calm…. And I would be demanding answers after the affair scenario seem more probable

Sallyh87 · 10/05/2023 19:19

You just really shouldn’t be together. I’m sorry this sounds awful and you have a lot in your plate but if you are this hesitant to communicate with him I really don’t think you have much of a relationship.

OrbandSpectacle · 10/05/2023 19:21

HewasH2O · 10/05/2023 19:06

You've only been together for 4 years. He won't let you phone him. He spends a lot of time on mysterious hobbies. He doesn't participate in normal family life or give you much support. It doesn't sound much of a relationship.

How well do you really know him? Have you considered asking the Police for disclosures under Clare's Law and Sarah's Law?

Excellent idea

MidsummerNightsDream · 10/05/2023 19:22

He speaks to people on the phone but not to you. He’s lying to you and gaslighting you. I don’t think you really need to know anything else about him. It would be the end of that relationship for me. You and your dc deserve more.

WalkingOnTheCracks · 10/05/2023 19:22

How well do you know the neighbour? Is it possible that she's a post-op transexual who was mentoring him through the process in secret and they've fallen out because the name he wants to adopt happens to be her mother's?

I mean, I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that that might be accurate, but apparently that's not a prerequisite for speculation on this thread. I mean, something's going on, obviously - but 'has she got any young female relatives'?

Delatron · 10/05/2023 19:23

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 18:49

She definitely mentioned a niece (back when she was more chatty) so she must have a sibling, not sure if she said brother or sister.

And you’ve seen people coming and going? Well it may not necessarily be to do with her but maybe a niece or a sister. But he’s involved in their family somehow.

Merryoldgoat · 10/05/2023 19:23

This is utterly mad.

I’d have his bags packed - he’s a liar if nothing else and trying to gaslight you in one of the truest examples I’ve read on here.

Wisterical · 10/05/2023 19:23

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EggInANest · 10/05/2023 19:23

Have you been through the neighbour’s Fb page, if she has one? Or other SM.

And your DP’s

I would be looking for anyone on both friends lists, anyone on her friends your DP could work for (is one of her relatives involved in a work or legal
issue? ) , any female relatives: have they been at the same social events / check ins etc?

If you are likely to get a chance, at this stage I would be trying to have a go at his phone, before any further confrontation makes him even more hostile and clammed up.

EggInANest · 10/05/2023 19:24

Google her family surname.

Chamelion · 10/05/2023 19:24

She said “leave my family alone” which means SHE is doing something dodgy as well as your husband!

otherwise she would not be asking you this! She would be the victim but no, she is the perpetrator of something you are yet to found out.

please OP coke back and talk to us, you’re going to need the strength to go after the truth whatever it is.

Merryoldgoat · 10/05/2023 19:24

WalkingOnTheCracks · 10/05/2023 19:22

How well do you know the neighbour? Is it possible that she's a post-op transexual who was mentoring him through the process in secret and they've fallen out because the name he wants to adopt happens to be her mother's?

I mean, I have absolutely no evidence to suggest that that might be accurate, but apparently that's not a prerequisite for speculation on this thread. I mean, something's going on, obviously - but 'has she got any young female relatives'?

🤣🤣

OnedayIwillfeelfree · 10/05/2023 19:25

Sorry you are going through this. Her defensive attitude is strange.

Twazique · 10/05/2023 19:26

Do you know her profession?

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78thcat · 10/05/2023 19:28

I don't know if it's real but will play along anyway.

I wonder if he was fake crying and begging her for money? That would explain the leave me alone /leave us out of it thing.

notangelinajolie · 10/05/2023 19:28

LTB

ShowUs · 10/05/2023 19:29

I wouldn’t say anything to him and see if he says anything about you talking to the neighbour.

I would ask the neighbour again because if she gave you a tiny bit more then you can confront him with more information like you know more.

I still don’t think it’s an affair with her, just because I think he would have made an excuse by now instead of gaslighting you into thinking you’re going mad.

I think it’s very odd that she lives alone and says don’t bring my family into it though.

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