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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
NarwhalsTusk · 10/05/2023 15:28

Asuitcase · 10/05/2023 15:21

But it’s also quite possible he’s dealing with a big issue (eg health or
financial), hasn’t found the way to tell the OP what it is yet and is
reacting defensively because he doesn’t know how else to handle it.

Yeah because that's what you do, you open up to the single, divorced neighbour in the pouring rain, whilst refusing support from his wife.

Never in my life come across this, critical health diagnosis which makes you cry, tell the neighbour whose only lived there 18 months.
Ok.

Someone earlier in this thread said exactly this happened to her and her partner and that he confided in a random female friend in the pub before he confided in her, presumably because it was somehow more manageable to talk to someone who didn’t matter so much to them.

Also it’s quite possible that he went out to the garden in the rain because he was feeling overwhelmed and simply bumped into the neighbour out there, when he was already visibly upset, and he’s ended up talking to her.

SirTarquin · 10/05/2023 16:06

@WhatTheHeal I agree with @uncomfortablydumb53

I think he mowed the lawn( in the rain!) as an excuse to talk to her

This jumped out at me and you @WhatTheHeal obviously picked up on there being something odd about the mowing in the rain.

If he was crying and she wasn't upset then it is obviously something upsetting to him but not to her.

As others have said - most obvious and top of the list:

he's having an affair with her and she's telling him it's over Affairs are usually a bit insane, highly sexually charged and emotionally intense and can make people go a bit crackers with emotion. I've seen people behave like they have lost their minds when in the middle of an affair.

second option

she knows something bad (he's having an affair with someone else/he's done something illegal at work/buried a body in the back garden) about him and she is telling him that unless he [deals with it/tells you/tells his boss/tells the police] she will do that for him

third option (less likely)

she was telling him something that doesn't emotionally involve her that triggered a big emotional reaction in him about something that you don't know about or he doesn't want to talk about so for example, say he had a brother who committed suicide in a particular way and he's never told you about it. she tells him that this has happened to someone she knows, he starts to think about his own experience and wells up. Extreme example to make the point but there are lots of other things that could be similar.

If I were a betting person, my money would be on an affair with her.

I agree with the strategy of saying somthing like this

I saw you crying. Don't you lie to me about you not being upset because I saw you. That is a serious thing in a relationship trying to undermine what I saw and I'm not putting up with it
so I'm asking you directly because I am worrried about you and it is also bothering me hugely because my mind is running through all the possibilities as to why you were crying and this uncertainty is separately causing me distress.
please tell me.
If you don't then, I will have no alternative but to ask the neighbour. Don't think I won't because I will.

FartSock5000 · 10/05/2023 16:09

@WhatTheHeal why is he lying and gaslighting you? You SAW him crying.

The only reason to do that is to cover up something.

He is acting shady AF.

StaunchMomma · 10/05/2023 16:22

I don't want to cry LTB but I do think this would be make or break for me.

To look you in the face and lie about it and not care that the kids had seen him upset and were worried, never mind you, is weird and highly suspicious.

I'd have huge trouble trusting him after that.

StaunchMomma · 10/05/2023 16:24

FartSock5000 · 10/05/2023 16:09

@WhatTheHeal why is he lying and gaslighting you? You SAW him crying.

The only reason to do that is to cover up something.

He is acting shady AF.

The fact that he's capable of that is the point, really.

No matter what it actually turns out he was crying about, his behaviour since has been appalling!

ClawedButler · 10/05/2023 16:25

Yes, the crux of the problem is that he is lying to you and keeping something from you, then making it your problem for wanting to know why.

I don't care what he's going through - there's no excuse good enough for lying to your face and denying what you both know to be true.

HappyMe6 · 10/05/2023 16:27

First thing going out and mowing the grass in the rain. Wouldn’t normally but he felt it really needed cutting! Crying when talking to a neighbour! Men don’t usually cry at drop of a hat well not the ones I know, have to be truly hurting to cry! So straight away I thought he’s having an affair and she’s dumped him, or threatening to tell you or blackmailing him over something she knows! For him to act very vague not telling you, driving off to get his head sorted. Guilty as sin

BusterGonad · 10/05/2023 16:29

He sounds awful, and that's before the doubting about having an affair. Urgh. I'd be packing his bags and paying for his bus fare out if town. What a horrible human being.

AfraidToRun · 10/05/2023 16:45

He doesn't sound great at all OP.... he sounds emotionally immature, gaslight and disrespectful

Napoleonsjosephine · 10/05/2023 17:11

StillWantingADog · 10/05/2023 10:42

all sounds very odd to me. If the neighbour was dumping him after an affair surely you'd do that in private, not in the rain over the garden fence while he is mowing the lawn?

I don't think it's inappropriate at all to go and speak to neighbour since he won't tell you whats up. She obviously might not tell you the truth though. I'd probably tell him that since he won't tell you you are going to ask her.

Lots that you say about your relationship seems very odd though. especially the phone thing given that he speaks to everyone else on the phone not you.

I don’t think anyone is saying she called him into the garden to ambush him with a surprise dumping. More she’s dumped him, they texted and he went out into the garden on the pretext of cutting the grass so they could talk. He got upset and knew he could be seen, so continued the conversation on his phone in the car.

PinkCast · 10/05/2023 17:15

I really hope you get to the bottom of it OP, it's a strange one.

CandlelightGlow · 10/05/2023 17:34

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 14:00

Yes.
Honestly, I found op oddly pushy, nosey and intrusive.
I don’t think her behaviour is normal.
If someone would demand to know why they saw me crying, asking again and again and planning on going to ask other person, I would be creeped out.
I know were all different, but surely not all of you think op’s behaviour is healthy?

Yes if my partner was displaying extreme emotions such as crying and hid it I would be very concerned because we are life partners and tell each other literally everything. It would be the oddest thing I could imagine for him to be going through something so heavy and not only not tell me what it was, but actively conceal it from me when I saw first hand he had been crying.

Surely most romantic relationships are at least similar to that?

CandlelightGlow · 10/05/2023 17:36

I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway

This is fucken weird.

aloris · 10/05/2023 17:45

ClawedButler · 10/05/2023 16:25

Yes, the crux of the problem is that he is lying to you and keeping something from you, then making it your problem for wanting to know why.

I don't care what he's going through - there's no excuse good enough for lying to your face and denying what you both know to be true.

This.

Sheepsheepeverywhere · 10/05/2023 17:51

Surely if a man who doesn't ever cry cries it is a big enough deal to want to share it within your relationship?
He is lying. Big time. And trying to blame you for him being a cunt about the whole incident..
Maybe suggest he finds an alternative sofa to sleep on?

Quitelikeit · 10/05/2023 17:53

Sorry but how have you never spoken on the phone in all your time together?!?!

that is strange

Gillbil · 10/05/2023 18:05

I hope you find out soo

exaltedwombat · 10/05/2023 18:10

OK, we're 23 pages into this topic, everyone's decided they were having an affair.

But that doesn't make it so. Don't let go of that fact!

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 18:17

Hello. Mini update. Unfortunately no answers really but something is going on. I managed to catch the neighbour outside on her way home from work. I knew the rough time so just slipped out every few minutes and got lucky. She was clearly not pleased to see me. I tried just a “hello, can I have a word?” And she said something like not really… as she kept walking I said I just wanted to know what was going on, DP is clearly unhappy and I saw them crying together the other day (I didn’t see her crying but I thought it might trick a response out of her), and she snapped “I wasn’t crying!” She never directly said he was but it was clear from her response at that point. I tried to ask a few questions and she said something like “leave my family alone” or “leave my family out of it”, she looked at me and said “please”. Then just turned and went inside. I wouldn’t have chased her anyway but I had to get back inside to the boys. So that’s all I got.

wtf?

I have all sorts of theories whizzing round my head now. Her family? Not just her? What? She almost definitely lives alone, I’ve seen people visiting occasionally but never paid much notice. I’ve no idea who she means or what that could mean.

I’m now considering saying something like “I know about you and Jill’s family, did you really think you could keep it from me?” Or something tonight in the hope he is stupid to enough to believe I know more than I do. This won’t be until bed time when we can talk properly.

I’m not intentionally ignoring any questions btw, it’s very hard to keep up with the responses on here and my kids take up a lot of my time. Thanks again for everyone who has tried to help. It means a lot.

OP posts:
KPops22 · 10/05/2023 18:18

I would be starting a conversation with the neighbour along the lines of " he has told me about him being so upset the other day ....well this is a bit awkward' and see how the conversation flows from there.

NoPrivateSpy · 10/05/2023 18:23

Ohhh, that's a little weird now, isn't it? Well done for getting that of information.

Just say you've spoken to the neighbour and need to hear the truth from him?

MrsLighthouse · 10/05/2023 18:23

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 13:56

I don’t think it’s your place to go and ask the neighbour.
Clearly this was something personal to you partner.
Bit rude to go and demand gossip.
Give it time.
If he tells you, he tells you, if not - then not.
It’s up to him.
Don’t interrogate him more (or her).
It’s none of your business.

Are you usually this pushy btw?

How is this “pushy” ? It’s concern and worry. What cold hearted person wouldn’t be surprised by their partner crying unexpectedly ?

Delatron · 10/05/2023 18:24

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 18:17

Hello. Mini update. Unfortunately no answers really but something is going on. I managed to catch the neighbour outside on her way home from work. I knew the rough time so just slipped out every few minutes and got lucky. She was clearly not pleased to see me. I tried just a “hello, can I have a word?” And she said something like not really… as she kept walking I said I just wanted to know what was going on, DP is clearly unhappy and I saw them crying together the other day (I didn’t see her crying but I thought it might trick a response out of her), and she snapped “I wasn’t crying!” She never directly said he was but it was clear from her response at that point. I tried to ask a few questions and she said something like “leave my family alone” or “leave my family out of it”, she looked at me and said “please”. Then just turned and went inside. I wouldn’t have chased her anyway but I had to get back inside to the boys. So that’s all I got.

wtf?

I have all sorts of theories whizzing round my head now. Her family? Not just her? What? She almost definitely lives alone, I’ve seen people visiting occasionally but never paid much notice. I’ve no idea who she means or what that could mean.

I’m now considering saying something like “I know about you and Jill’s family, did you really think you could keep it from me?” Or something tonight in the hope he is stupid to enough to believe I know more than I do. This won’t be until bed time when we can talk properly.

I’m not intentionally ignoring any questions btw, it’s very hard to keep up with the responses on here and my kids take up a lot of my time. Thanks again for everyone who has tried to help. It means a lot.

Very bizarre response from the neighbour.

Yes I think you should say something to your DH later along those lines. Clearly something is going on. He needs to tell you. No getting out of it now.

Quitelikeit · 10/05/2023 18:25

Is this real ?

Mumofnarnia · 10/05/2023 18:27

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 18:17

Hello. Mini update. Unfortunately no answers really but something is going on. I managed to catch the neighbour outside on her way home from work. I knew the rough time so just slipped out every few minutes and got lucky. She was clearly not pleased to see me. I tried just a “hello, can I have a word?” And she said something like not really… as she kept walking I said I just wanted to know what was going on, DP is clearly unhappy and I saw them crying together the other day (I didn’t see her crying but I thought it might trick a response out of her), and she snapped “I wasn’t crying!” She never directly said he was but it was clear from her response at that point. I tried to ask a few questions and she said something like “leave my family alone” or “leave my family out of it”, she looked at me and said “please”. Then just turned and went inside. I wouldn’t have chased her anyway but I had to get back inside to the boys. So that’s all I got.

wtf?

I have all sorts of theories whizzing round my head now. Her family? Not just her? What? She almost definitely lives alone, I’ve seen people visiting occasionally but never paid much notice. I’ve no idea who she means or what that could mean.

I’m now considering saying something like “I know about you and Jill’s family, did you really think you could keep it from me?” Or something tonight in the hope he is stupid to enough to believe I know more than I do. This won’t be until bed time when we can talk properly.

I’m not intentionally ignoring any questions btw, it’s very hard to keep up with the responses on here and my kids take up a lot of my time. Thanks again for everyone who has tried to help. It means a lot.

Hi op, wow how strange!!
From reading your update I’m now wondering if he’s been having an affair with a family member of hers?? Or if he’s done something to one of her family members. This is definitely strange behavior! You’re going to need to be clever now to get the answers you need!
At least we now know for definite that there was definitely something wrong with your dp even though he tried to gaslight you into thinking there wasn’t!

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