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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
SmileyClare · 10/05/2023 08:39

I think it’d be wise to reassess this relationship.

How long has he lived in your home?
You say you’ve been together four years but only seeing each other at weekends for the first year or so?

Is this just convenience for you both? It appears you lead fairly separate lives and are unable to communicate.

I know he’s not the dc’s father but in my opinion if he chose to have a relationship with you and move in with your family, you should be parenting as a team.

Dont ignore the cracks in your relationship now. They’ll turn into huge gaping chasms if ignored.

Wheresthebeach · 10/05/2023 08:40

Due to your limitations, it does make having an affair 'under your nose' easier. He knows you're never alone, and can't come out of the house to talk etc.

His gaslighting you, over what you saw, is a major red flag as is his general distance for you as a family unit. I'm not sure what he brings to the family apart from holding the 'title' of DP.

I think the contempt he is showing you by lying to you about what you saw is enough to recognise that this is a very very unhealthy relationship and you need to rethink. Personally, I'd be telling him to stop treating me like an idiot and to tell me the truth or leave. I couldn't turn a blind eye to this.

KTSl1964 · 10/05/2023 08:46

He has a lot of freedom doesn’t he. How much do you get out with friends. Would he look after the children if you want a night out. You need to be more suspicious actually. He lives the life of a very single man and are you there with sex on tap and his dinner on the table.
You really need to look at your relationship and see if this is what you want or expect from a partner.

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user1492757084 · 10/05/2023 08:48

The neighbour knows so you just have to ask her.

Also you could start a new trend and start speaking on the phone with your partner every now and again.
The texting only rule is very weird and controlling.

Do you ever get time to walk outside, with your sons so ill?

OhamIreally · 10/05/2023 08:54

I am intrigued as to how your relationship got off the ground. Did he love bomb you initially?

As per pp it takes time usually to form an intimate relationship as an adult and you have very little alone time. Presumably your boys spent time with their dad?

Apologies for coming across as nosy.

Along with others I also think affair and the biggest red flag is the gaslighting and deflection.

Hidden debt/gambling the possible alternative but that doesn't explain the neighbour. The mowing in the rain sounded like a prearranged thing and also that she used to be friendly with you but subsequently became more reserved.

Rainbowshit · 10/05/2023 08:54

I would ask the neighbour. I think her reaction will be revealing.

Iris1976 · 10/05/2023 08:57

Yep,they were shagging and she called it off.

Stickytreacle · 10/05/2023 08:59

Bigpinktrain · 09/05/2023 14:40

Could he be confiding in her about struggles of looking after disabled/SEN children and perhaps doesn’t want you to know he is struggling… (trying to offer anything but affair!)

These were my thoughts too.

AppleandSpice · 10/05/2023 09:03

I’m just wondering what he actually brings to your relationship as the more you post the more it sounds like he’s in the process of checking out. He has a hell of a lot of ‘free time’ to do as he pleases and yet you cannot have 10 minutes on your own to even shower.

Theres so many red flags here op, he really doesn’t sound like he respects you, is this really what you want?

itsabigtree · 10/05/2023 09:06

78thcat · 09/05/2023 14:20

The only other possibility apart from an affair that I can think of is that he is in an abusive relationship with you and has confided in the neighbour. Domestic violence happen to men too. That would explain not wanting to talk about it.
Sorry OP if this is barking up the wrong tree, but thought I'd throw it out there.

I think she'd no if she was abusing him tho!

Fmlgirl · 10/05/2023 09:15

I am so surprised at some of the posters assuming this is a guy suddenly in tune with his emotions who confides in a neighbour about his struggles. I really don’t think so. This isn’t a decent guy. He leaves all the parenting to the OP, goes out to do hobbies whenever he wants and is off with the OP when she confronts him about incredibly odd behaviour.

I think they are having an affair. Why else would he go to the car afterwards. He wanted to call the neighbour to carry on the conversation without looking suspicious in the garden.

I would also reassess the relationship. Is he really a partner that shares the load in life? You’d be better off single with less worrying.

happypoobum · 10/05/2023 09:25

Yes, that’s what I would do.

“Jenny, we need to talk” kind of thing.

Quitelikeit · 10/05/2023 09:25

The only things you know is that he is and has lied to you

That there is something he doesn’t want you to know

How long have you been together?

Seems v bizarre that a grown man would burst into tears after a chat with the neighbour whether he was getting dumped or not!!!!

BeachBlondey · 10/05/2023 09:35

MysteryBelle · 09/05/2023 16:44

Read your updates.

Adding up the clues you’ve given us so far, it looks like he may be in love. Desperately and miserably. More in love with her than she is with him.

  1. Neighbor talked to you at first but then only talked to your dp. Polite hello to you then disappear but talked to dp regularly.
  1. Dp suddenly decides lawn must be cut, in the rain, right now, must be done. He meets with neighbor at fence for 30 minutes, no mowing.
  1. He is sloppy crying and distraught. Neighbor calm. Possibility: he is upset begging her to not to end it. She says it’s over.
  1. He can’t keep standing there crying and he can’t come into the house to cry because you’re there. He slips in, gets key, sits in car to compose himself.
  1. He told you he was going to cut the grass so now he has to or else explain, so he cuts the grass in the rain.
  1. Denies crying, is belligerent with you, tells you to leave him alone, you’re watching his every move etc etc etc. Won’t explain, sulks, lectures you.
  1. He can’t sleep. Wakes early and sits downstairs in the dark for an hour before work.

Someone in love will do all manner of strange and inexplicable things, just like your dp. Yes, cry when he’s never cried before. These things taken together indicate he may in love and miserably so.

As an aside…he refuses to speak with you on the phone but speaks to everyone else on the phone. He doesn’t hate speaking on the phone, op. He hates speaking on the phone with you.

Neighbor is slightly older than him. You’ve been with dp for four years. She’s been your neighbor for 18 months-2 years.

It kind of all adds up.

“Nothing makes this man cry. Nothing.”

Well, something did. After meeting neighbor at fence for 30 minutes when he had told you the lawn absolutely had to get cut right now in the rain.

I agree with all of this, and would like to add :

  1. Always on his phone

  2. Hardly ever at home

The point made about him being brazen to have an affair with the neighbour - I've seen this play out first hand. My friend (ex friend now) regularly had sex with her married neighbour. His wife was her best friend as well! He would pop next door under the guise of doing some DIY for her, and they would have sex. The wife knew he was next door, but thought he was hanging a picture or something mundane. This "friend" also had sex with my husband. He is now an ex husband and she is an ex friend. Some people ARE that brazen, sadly.

Blondeshavemorefun · 10/05/2023 09:35

He isn't dc father but he should help you with them a little and support you

You should be able to have 5min and shower in peace

Where can you see this relationship going

The phone thing is weird. He won't talk to you on it but talks to other people

The only way you will know is to ask face to face

AppleandSpice · 10/05/2023 09:35

Stickytreacle · 10/05/2023 08:59

These were my thoughts too.

But it doesn’t seem like he actually does any of the parenting and looking after the children though!

FictionalCharacter · 10/05/2023 09:38

Quitelikeacatslife · 10/05/2023 07:24

I think it's possible OP that he wants out, that he's desperately unhappy and only faces up to it when he cant escape to clubs. On bank holidays these things can slap you round the face
Maybe he knows that leaving you alone with DC and their issues will be a dick move but he probably can't see that it wouldn't be that different to you.
That would explain why he can't talk to you about it.
Think now really hard, are you functioning as a couple ? What do you do together or as a family that is good? Is absolutely everything about your DC? (Not blaming you if it is)
It sounds like you cannot even carve out any time to talk. You rest need a "we need to talk" conversation , be prepared that he may say he's had enough . He needs to be honest though.
Where would you stand financially without him? He may feel this traps him? Is fond of you but unhappy?
The phone thing may be that when he goes out he needs to escape

But he's been doing the phone thing since they met, when they were only together at weekends. He didn't have anything to escape from then!

Malificent1 · 10/05/2023 09:59

I still don’t understand why you don’t just say to your DP “I saw you crying. Stop the BS and tell me what’s going on or I’ll ask the neighbour what you were talking about.”

So many problems on MN could at least partially be solved by talking instead of second guessing everything.

DepartureLounge · 10/05/2023 10:05

I can't get past the fact that he won't answer the phone to you (and only you), especially now you've updated and said it was like this even in the early days when you could only see each other at weekends.

Did you never wonder if you were the OW?

Given how much time he's out/away/on his phone and the fact that he's clearly lying to you about something, you must be wondering now surely.

seventyfour75 · 10/05/2023 10:05

@WhatTheHeal what's the latest??

Peppapigboresme · 10/05/2023 10:05

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midsomermurderess · 10/05/2023 10:07

‘So many problems on MN could at least partially be solved by talking instead of second guessing everything’. Absolutely. I don’t get how so many people choose to live like this. It must make you feel quite mad, always speculating, not trusting, creeping around issues.

midsomermurderess · 10/05/2023 10:09

seventyfour75 · 10/05/2023 10:05

@WhatTheHeal what's the latest??

‘I want my next instalment and I want it now!’ Oh well, at least you’re being honest!

seventyfour75 · 10/05/2023 10:10

@midsomermurderess

Exactly! I've been following this since it started and I'm invested!

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