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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
swayingpalmtree · 10/05/2023 05:47

MsDogLady · 10/05/2023 05:10

WTH, if he lives with you and the children, then he should be truly present to provide equitable emotional, physical and financial support.

He sounds like an entitled, self-serving teenager, not an adult partner who is invested in sharing your load and enriching your life…and the lives of your children. He should muck in to help you have breaks, plus assist with the cooking, cleaning, washing, shopping, etc. You do so much for him, but your efforts are not reciprocated.

Of great concern is that he gave himself permission to gaslight you, shift the blame by making unfounded accusations, and blank you the next morning. Something illicit is going on, and I hope you can get to the bottom of it.

I agree with this. Putting myself in his shoes, I cannot even conceive of settling down with a man who had two disabled children and not helping out AT ALL, always going out in my free time and just leaving him with all the work, and when he expressed normal concern on seeing me crying to have a go at him and snap his head off?

Geez. He is not a kind person AT ALL. He sounds like a really unpleasant human being.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 10/05/2023 06:01

WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 16:53

Thank you for taking the time to write this out. Obviously it isn’t what I want to read but I appreciate being able to read it written out like that by someone unbiased.

I think that's a possibility, yes.

I am however also wondering whether him crying really is such a rare occurrence.

Is it possible that he actually often cries alone (car, bathroom etc.) And that you just never picked up on it?

Your mobility is rather estricted due to your children, it therefore seems like a possibility 🤔 (an affair and secret crying are however not mutually exclusive).

BritInAus · 10/05/2023 06:17

Affair or no affair, is this really a man you want to spend your life with? Is out most of the time enjoying 'hobbies' whilst you do EVERYTHING for 2 kids with additional needs? Hasn't spoken to you once on the phone in 4 years (!!!) but does with multiple other people? Isn't capable of showing any emotions at all and totally deflects when you question his (frankly very odd) behaviour? I don't know you at all OP, but I know you can do better.

Mikimoto · 10/05/2023 06:43

Someone mentioned gambling: as he doesn't seem v communicative in general, could he have had some bad news over something like that? Just passed over for work promotion? Something awful just happened to someone from his past who he doesn't like to talk about?
And he was already crying about this when the neighbour happened to notice (we don't know the order of those events), so gave him a kind word?

Chatillon · 10/05/2023 06:43

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 10/05/2023 06:01

I think that's a possibility, yes.

I am however also wondering whether him crying really is such a rare occurrence.

Is it possible that he actually often cries alone (car, bathroom etc.) And that you just never picked up on it?

Your mobility is rather estricted due to your children, it therefore seems like a possibility 🤔 (an affair and secret crying are however not mutually exclusive).

Good posts. Limerance.

Chatillon · 10/05/2023 06:47

LiveAHappyLifeBePositive · 10/05/2023 00:00

Could dp have had a thing with your neighbour and he got upset as she called it off.

I think we have all worked out upthread that its onions. DP keeps disappearing to his allotment at strange times as he wants to grow the biggest onions for the town fete, but NDN cut open one of her onions at the weekend and they are so more fragrant they made him cry.

ejbaxa · 10/05/2023 07:17

I hope you find out op. Aside from the bizarreness of whats gone on, I would be very unhappy with him being so evasive and just not straight out and honest.

TOclock · 10/05/2023 07:19

It could simply be the stress of living with two disabled step children and he cannot talk to you about it. Thy could explain why he's barely in the house and when he is, he's on his phone.
He could've needed space and went out to "mow the lawn" as an excuse, neighbour asked him "are you ok", and he broke down. It could also be that they have a friendship and he often opens up to her.
Maybe he he wants to leave and doesn't know how, doesn't want to leave you alone with two disabled children, because he knows how hard it is for you.
The affair theory was my my first thought but as the thread developed, I think perhaps there's more to it.

Chchchchchangesss · 10/05/2023 07:22

Aside from anything else he sounds like a right asshole when it comes to the children. He won't even watch your son for 10 minutes so you can take a shower, meanwhile you do everything? He knows which side his bread is buttered.

MadamTullahbell · 10/05/2023 07:22

I can’t help but feel that you deserve more OP

Quitelikeacatslife · 10/05/2023 07:24

I think it's possible OP that he wants out, that he's desperately unhappy and only faces up to it when he cant escape to clubs. On bank holidays these things can slap you round the face
Maybe he knows that leaving you alone with DC and their issues will be a dick move but he probably can't see that it wouldn't be that different to you.
That would explain why he can't talk to you about it.
Think now really hard, are you functioning as a couple ? What do you do together or as a family that is good? Is absolutely everything about your DC? (Not blaming you if it is)
It sounds like you cannot even carve out any time to talk. You rest need a "we need to talk" conversation , be prepared that he may say he's had enough . He needs to be honest though.
Where would you stand financially without him? He may feel this traps him? Is fond of you but unhappy?
The phone thing may be that when he goes out he needs to escape

5128gap · 10/05/2023 07:25

diamondpony80 · 09/05/2023 22:28

Every single man in my life I've only ever seen cry over one thing - losing someone they love. A death of someone they are very close to, or losing a lover. There are a lot of possible scenarios posted on this thread and I can't think of a single other one that would make them cry (they're not a very emotional bunch). I'm leaning towards an affair with the next-door neighbor or he's found out someone close to him is dying (and there would be no reason not to reveal that unless maybe he's ill himself).

Then you've never seen a man on the verge of bankruptcy, feeling a failure due to serious work issues, struggling with addiction and guilt and self hated arising from that, feeling hopeless and trapped in a life they can't stand but can't leave.
An affair with the neighbour is one possibility certainly, but in the absence of other signs, it's not the first conclusion I'd be jumping to here.

diddl · 10/05/2023 07:28

Surely it's possible that the neighbour didn't make him cry?

He might have gone to mow the lawn as he couldn't do his hobby & didn't want to be in the house?

If they get on well she might have seen him & gone to ask him what was wrong?

He doesn't sound at all involved/committed.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 10/05/2023 07:36

You dont cut the grass in the rain, surely?

5128gap · 10/05/2023 07:38

OP, because your life is such hard work and your children so all consuming, it's possible there are things going on with him you might overlook. When someone is as busy as you, it's easier to hide things from them, emotionally and practically.
There is a strong chance something serious is going on here, For your own sake, don't get stuck in the possible affair grove and adopt an approach of watchful waiting. Make getting to the bottom of this your priority, as without being alarmist, there are worse things that can happen than an affair.
I hope it turns out to be something manageable.

Spookysnake · 10/05/2023 07:39

This man is clearly living a double life of some kind - maybe the pressure of that is getting to him? Gambling, affairs, other families - doesn't sound like a great partner whatever the underlying problem is.

LAMPS1 · 10/05/2023 07:54

OP, was your DP at school with NDN ?

I’m just wondering if they know each other rather better than you and he know each other. I don’t mean to disparage your relationship but maybe they know each other well as close childhood friends, growing up together. perhaps even teenage bf and gf. Maybe they later fell out and lost touch which is why he didn’t tell you he knew her.

He does seem quite closed off from you and not very close. And you, having your hands very full with your dc, don’t press him for info on his past (or even his current life) because you are busy / tired / preoccupied …and reasonably happy with the status quo. Well, not unhappy enough to change things at least….not wishing to rock the boat for now. I understand that. Relationships can drift into that sort of state. But maybe he’s unhappy with it and you want to sweep it under the carpet because you can’t face tackling a massive change. Could he be feeling guilty and trapped ?

We all have things we wish we hadn’t said or done in childhood. If she knows he’s unhappy, could she be counselling him, informally over the garden fence. Imploring him to tell you his secret?

Or could she be bullying him?
Or even blackmailing him ?

I do think this crying incident shouldn’t be brushed under the carpet if you can find the strength to tackle him more closely about it. It’s too weird to let go if you are living together as man and wife and want a proper relationship rather than a house-mates situation.

He does seem to be living his life of work, hobbies and secret quite separately to the life you live, struggling along with your boys.
The question is, are you prepared to bust open his secret and accept the consequences that might come with it ?

BritInAus · 10/05/2023 07:58

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 00:47

Good points about the neighbour potentially finding him crying or being unaware what was up. Could well be that, the situation just looked weird at the time but yes of course that’s a possibility.

Others asking why she was out in the rain- I have no idea. The rain has eased by the time I went out, but it was still raining. She has a little covered area in her garden, she was sort of wandering about but wasn’t getting soaked. On the phone or pretending to be so I didn’t talk to her I guess.

Someone asked why I didn’t race outside- if DP’s foot had been trapped in the mower or something I absolutely would have but I have to constantly weigh up the risks in our lives. DS2 being left alone for too long if DP had needed to talk to me/explain what was up could’ve ended in an injury or something, DS1 has bad anxiety and needs everything explaining. I can’t do what I want when I want unfortunately. I have to shower with DS in the room (playing with toys on with an iPad) just so that I can shower. I wouldn’t choose that, obviously. Me taking 2 minutes to reassure DS1 I wouldn’t be long, I was just checking on DP and to call me if DS2 was banging his head against a wall (because DS1 wouldn’t think to let me know otherwise) is just part of life here. I’m assuming it was pure chance that DP came for his keys during that 2 minute explanation, or maybe he saw me looking and realised he needed to be alone. I don’t know.

Even if the mowing-in-rain-neighbour-possible-affair scenario turns out to be something benign, if you were my friend I'd urge you to spend some time thinking over if you really want this relationship. I can't believe you've been together four years, presumably live together, yet he doesn't even help with the kids for 5 minutes a day so you can shower alone? That's very sad.

Mumofnarnia · 10/05/2023 08:01

TOclock · 10/05/2023 07:19

It could simply be the stress of living with two disabled step children and he cannot talk to you about it. Thy could explain why he's barely in the house and when he is, he's on his phone.
He could've needed space and went out to "mow the lawn" as an excuse, neighbour asked him "are you ok", and he broke down. It could also be that they have a friendship and he often opens up to her.
Maybe he he wants to leave and doesn't know how, doesn't want to leave you alone with two disabled children, because he knows how hard it is for you.
The affair theory was my my first thought but as the thread developed, I think perhaps there's more to it.

What stress has he got with living with disabled children though? He goes gallivanting off out to all these mysterious hobbies that op knows very little about and also gives her very little information about while he leaves op to do the vast majority of the child care. If anyone should be stressed it’s op but she’s not the one who was out in the garden crying and talking to a neighbour while supposedly cutting the grass in the rain.

DilemmaDelilah · 10/05/2023 08:06

My first thought wasn't that he had been having an affair at all! I thought perhaps there has been something going on that you aren't aware of that he hasn't felt able to talk to you about. He felt very upset so went out to mow the lawn - she came out and he was able to talk to her and let it all out, then he went for a drive to compose himself. There are things I am worried about I don't tell my husband because I know he would be very worried and upset and a) I don't want him to be upset unnecessarily and b) that would make it harder for me.
Don't confront him about it - wait until things have settled down and you can talk freely without the children. Then let him know that you know he wasn't telling the truth about not being upset and ask him why then.

CherryCokeFanatic · 10/05/2023 08:12

I think he has been shagging your neighbour for a while now and either she has ended it or told him she is pregnant or told him she is telling you in X amount of time unless he leaves you.

If neither will admit anything I’d kick him out and say it’s over. I wouldn’t be able to live with that on my mind.

SmileyClare · 10/05/2023 08:20

This is certainly a wake up call demonstrating how detached you and your partner are.

He’s rarely present,

you don’t (or can’t) communicate,

he’s never shown emotion in front of you,

and you’re having to ask Internet forums to explain his feelings?

You also seem strangely detached and emotionless when considering the likelihood of an affair?

I imagine your time and energy is consumed by your high needs dc and you’ve ignored the huge gulf between you.

Are you both NT? It appears you have massive communication issues.

NarwhalsTusk · 10/05/2023 08:22

I’m still inclined to think it’s not an affair because it seems absurd that they would means to carry on an affair in secret but then hold a major heart to heart on the front lawn.

MissBattleaxe · 10/05/2023 08:34

I'm sorry OP, but if you read this thread back, it looks to me as if you are minimising how awful and one sided your relationship is. It's all take and no give. What does he actually do that makes your life so much better than it would be without him? Ask yourself some searching questions and perhaps you'll see the bigger picture. From a stranger's POV, I would advise you to reconsider your relationship and put some more boundaries in place so that you are equals. If he can't give you that, look at the bigger picture and make some tough choices.

Fruitygal · 10/05/2023 08:36

A few questions re Dave …..

Does he own the property you all live in or do you own the property?

If you own it does he contribute to the bills

If he owns it do you contribute to the bills

As there is no step father role happening and he goes out a lot, seemingly without you the whole time. There’s a very limited emotional relationship between the two of you.

There are only two obvious reasons left that you and he are together - one is financial and the other is sex.

Now it could be one of you benefits from both these things but the other from only one or zero of these things.

Understanding the financial position may explain your tolerance of this situation or his weird behaviour.

Can I ask how this relationship started? As you have two kids that needed lots of support and can’t be left.

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