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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

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MsDogLady · 10/05/2023 00:04

WTH, Dave feels comfortable showing his deep emotions to your Neighbor. Both have been distancing themselves from you and are clearly sharing a secret. I would be determined to get to the truth, and would speak to Neighbor, closely gauging her reaction.

You are in an unequal relationship. Although you and your children need and deserve his support, Dave is detached from family life — hardly ever at home and is totally ‘phone focused’ when there. When out, he balks at time accountability, which is highly inconsiderate. He refuses to talk to you on the phone and has marginalized you to message-only status.

The garden incident and aftermath are evidence that Dave feels entitled to lie, gaslight, and treat you with utter contempt. I agree with others that he and Neighbor continued their intimate conversation by phone after he got in the car. She knows more about your relationship than you do.

WTH, you need answers and Dave is blocking transparency. In my view, investigating his phone would be reasonable. Tell him that you won’t accept his gaslighting and stonewalling, and are not prepared to continue a farce of a relationship.

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 00:37

Back again after trying to catch up with replies. Thanks again for all of them.

The phone thing- yes it is weird, I don’t get it. But it’s been that way the whole time, even when the relationship was new and when we only had weekends together. It struck me as odd especially as my ex and I spoke all the time on the phone but everyone is different so I guess I didn’t find it that odd until so many people have agreed it is very strange. I had never considered it was so I didn’t call at an inappropriate moment until now.

Both DS are mine, DP has no children (that I know of). Both have a variety of conditions. It is tough, really tough. I agree DP could be struggling with that as it isn’t easy. But (and I’m in no way criticising anything he does or doesn’t do here, just being honest), he doesn’t parent them. That just isn’t our set up. He’s good with them and they like him. We have occasional days out together. But he never loses sleep or misses out on anything he wants to do. He doesn’t do any of the “parenting” eg bed times bath times or anything, and he doesn’t do their meals washing etc. Of course living with two disabled DC is tough for anyone but I really don’t think anything about life with my boys would be enough to bring him to tears. He has unlimited hobby time, hobbies he loves, friends, he has occasional nights out or weekends away. He has a supportive family close by who he sees regularly. I’m not saying his life is easy but I’ve seen a few comments about him being a parent of disabled DC and how tough that is, and I don’t doubt it is for him at times, but he honestly doesn’t have a terrible life. One poster even suggested he might be in an abusive relationship with me, that’s honestly not the case. I’m sure anyone who is abusive would say that but it isn’t- I’m good to him, he has a pretty good life, can do what he wants other than when he is at work and I do a lot for him.

OP posts:
aloris · 10/05/2023 00:46

I'm trying to figure out what positive things he brings to your life. Fair enough if he doesn't help with the children as they aren't his children. However, what love does he give YOU?

WhatTheHeal · 10/05/2023 00:47

Good points about the neighbour potentially finding him crying or being unaware what was up. Could well be that, the situation just looked weird at the time but yes of course that’s a possibility.

Others asking why she was out in the rain- I have no idea. The rain has eased by the time I went out, but it was still raining. She has a little covered area in her garden, she was sort of wandering about but wasn’t getting soaked. On the phone or pretending to be so I didn’t talk to her I guess.

Someone asked why I didn’t race outside- if DP’s foot had been trapped in the mower or something I absolutely would have but I have to constantly weigh up the risks in our lives. DS2 being left alone for too long if DP had needed to talk to me/explain what was up could’ve ended in an injury or something, DS1 has bad anxiety and needs everything explaining. I can’t do what I want when I want unfortunately. I have to shower with DS in the room (playing with toys on with an iPad) just so that I can shower. I wouldn’t choose that, obviously. Me taking 2 minutes to reassure DS1 I wouldn’t be long, I was just checking on DP and to call me if DS2 was banging his head against a wall (because DS1 wouldn’t think to let me know otherwise) is just part of life here. I’m assuming it was pure chance that DP came for his keys during that 2 minute explanation, or maybe he saw me looking and realised he needed to be alone. I don’t know.

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YouTarzan · 10/05/2023 00:50

I assume when OP says he's always on his phone, she means scrolling the internet/watching youtube etc, not on calls with other people.

Frith2013 · 10/05/2023 00:56

He sounds totally useless. Doesn't he even look after your children long enough for you to have a shower?

What does he actually DO around the house? Or is it all hobbies, phoning people (apart from you) and playing on his phone?

What is the point in him?

Codlingmoths · 10/05/2023 00:58

YouTarzan · 10/05/2023 00:50

I assume when OP says he's always on his phone, she means scrolling the internet/watching youtube etc, not on calls with other people.

She does specifically say he talks to other people on it though. Just not her.

caringcarer · 10/05/2023 01:39

I've no idea why your DH was crying but it must be so stressful for you not knowing, so hope you can get a good night's sleep tonight OP. Staying awake all night won't help you find out. Can you look at his phone when he goes in the shower?

FictionalCharacter · 10/05/2023 01:48

"The phone thing- yes it is weird, I don’t get it. But it’s been that way the whole time, even when the relationship was new and when we only had weekends together. It struck me as odd"

If someone told me they had a new boyfriend, was only with the boyfriend at weekends, and the BF didn't let her call him at other times because he hated phone calls (but only from her, he talks to other people on the phone), I'd immediately think he was hiding something. Or someone.

Ramblingnamechanger · 10/05/2023 01:55

Try not to find excuses for him. He might well have a good life, but it doesn’t involve you much and some people here have made suggestions which you haven’t taken up. It is scary to look things in the eye and see what you don’t want to see. Without the crying incident , women here are worried about you . You owe us nothing but you do owe yourself a lot. The things that are happening will not change unless you do something about them. Yes it is difficult but you need to value yourself and not accept the unacceptable. Good luck.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 10/05/2023 02:02

@WhatTheHeal Do you have anyone in your life that sometimes looks after your children, their Dad, Grandparents, Aunts or Uncles, or even friends of yours if you have no relatives living near by?

I am so sad thinking of you living day in and day out like that. If you never get any "me" time then you desperately need it. I wish you had set yourself a higher bar for a partner, as it seems that he doesn't really bring anything to your relationship - unless he is absolutely great and thoughtful when having sex, but so far he sounds like the most selfish git man that I have ever heard of, unless of course you live in Stepford - sorry OP, I probably shouldn't have said that, but I also can't bring myself to retract it either.

Have you any idea of your own worth OP, as it certainly doesn't seem like it. You are an amazing, thoughtful, and very loving mum to your DC. You also seem to be what an awful lot of men would consider to be a perfect wife. You don't seem to ask anything of your partner, but unfortunately I don't see how that can lead to a healthy relationship for either of you. I really hope that you don't feel so lucky to have found any man who will 'take on' your two children that you make sure he never has to have any responsibility to them or you?

I know that when I married my second (and present) DH I was quite surprised to have found someone a second time that I loved so much, and who was willing to 'take on' a ready made family, but he was. The children from my first marriage lived with us, but went to their Dad's every other weekend, and we shared the school holiday times. My DH didn't try to take the place of their Dad, but apart from that he shared all the parenting tasks with me, even down to him staying at home with one of the children if it turned out they were too ill to go to school on a particular day - I left much earlier in the morning and had a 1 hour commute into work, whereas he worked close to home.

I am not trying to rub your nose in it OP, in fact the opposite. What I said above is what your partner should be doing for you, at least the giving you some time off bit, if not sharing the full-load of childcare for your disabled child. He should be cherishing you, giving you neck and shoulder massages, massaging your feet while you are on the sofa together watching the TV, doing the clothes washing at least some of the time, washing the dishes, cooking you a meal. Is mowing the lawn his only domestic "job" OP?

Our DC are all grown-up now, and my DH is now a brilliant Grandfather, you would not know that there is no blood or genetic connection between him and our Grandchildren.

Please tell us that your partner does some things to make your life easier - and without complaining about it. If not, then please start thinking about making some big changes - whatever the reason was for him crying in the garden. ❤️

MysteryBelle · 10/05/2023 02:14

You deserve a much higher quality human to share your life with, op. Someone on your level. I can’t think of one good thing about him from this whole thread. Except possibly that he mows the lawn. If he actually did that. There’s nothing to him. He treats you terribly. He is never there for you or the children. He does as he pleases and lectures you for caring. You do everything in the relationship, all the work and all the love. Please dump him and please do it in a grand ceremonious way because he deserves a huge kick in the behind. Just my two cents.

mydoghasanattitude · 10/05/2023 02:41

Just want to agree with PP that you don't need to defend yourself in your treatment of your partner. It sounds like he doesn't do much to support you on a daily basis, which is sad.

He doesn't necessarily have to take on all the work of a hands-on dad with your children, no, but if he loves you and wants to have a life with you, he should care enough (for you and your children) to offer at least some level of assistance and emotional support.

You deserve someone who wants to help where he can, at least to the tune of giving you a chance to shower in peace once in a while. Otherwise, what's the point of the relationship?

NarwhalsTusk · 10/05/2023 02:51

What’s the financial set-up OP? I may be wrong but I’m assuming with you DCs needs that you’re not working? Is he employed? Is it a regular 9-5 or something else? What does he contribute financially to the household?

How did the pair of you meet and establish the relationship? It sounds like you struggle to get any time to yourself, that’s a tough situation in which to meet someone new?

Do you know his family and friends well - what kind of relationship do you have with them?

How open and honest do you feel he his generally?

Shitsville123 · 10/05/2023 03:11

Have you spoke to DH tonight about it?

MountainChalet · 10/05/2023 03:53

This is all quite bizarre, especially not answering the phone to you. What if one of your dc got hurt and you needed help to take them to the hospital? He doesn't need to parent them but at least be helpful like a friend would. You seem to put up with a lot of crap from him.

NeedCoffeeNowPlease · 10/05/2023 03:55

I'll go with he was upset, neighbour noticed and asked about it. If I saw my neighbour crying in the yard I'd ask them if they were okay and talk to them if they wanted that. Maybe there's some news he's not ready to tell you yet?

savethatkitty · 10/05/2023 04:05

If you're certain of what you saw, I'm worried why he's trying to gaslight you. It all seems terribly suspicious

123rainbow · 10/05/2023 04:20

Frith2013 · 10/05/2023 00:56

He sounds totally useless. Doesn't he even look after your children long enough for you to have a shower?

What does he actually DO around the house? Or is it all hobbies, phoning people (apart from you) and playing on his phone?

What is the point in him?

Agree this this.
Why are you with him? This doesn't sound much like a relationship.
Anyway you could sneak a look at his phone?
Honestly don't know why you can be bothered, I would lose patience with him.

Isthisexpected · 10/05/2023 04:29

I think she was pretending to be on the phone but actually there confirming their affair has to end.

Who lives alone but goes outside to take phone calls in the rain?!

itsabigtree · 10/05/2023 04:35

SinglePonders · 09/05/2023 13:56

I don’t think it’s your place to go and ask the neighbour.
Clearly this was something personal to you partner.
Bit rude to go and demand gossip.
Give it time.
If he tells you, he tells you, if not - then not.
It’s up to him.
Don’t interrogate him more (or her).
It’s none of your business.

Are you usually this pushy btw?

Wtf this is such a weird reply

MsDogLady · 10/05/2023 05:10

WTH, if he lives with you and the children, then he should be truly present to provide equitable emotional, physical and financial support.

He sounds like an entitled, self-serving teenager, not an adult partner who is invested in sharing your load and enriching your life…and the lives of your children. He should muck in to help you have breaks, plus assist with the cooking, cleaning, washing, shopping, etc. You do so much for him, but your efforts are not reciprocated.

Of great concern is that he gave himself permission to gaslight you, shift the blame by making unfounded accusations, and blank you the next morning. Something illicit is going on, and I hope you can get to the bottom of it.

momonpurpose · 10/05/2023 05:11

This is no life OP. You deserve so much more then this. Wishing you the strength to find happiness and a new beautiful life for you and your children

MsDogLady · 10/05/2023 05:17

Should say: If he lives with you and the children, then he should be truly present to provide emotional, physical, practical, and financial support.

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