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What could neighbour have said to make DP cry?

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WhatTheHeal · 09/05/2023 13:38

DP decided to go out and cut the front lawn yesterday, bit odd as it was raining and he hasn’t done it previously as it was raining but he insisted it needed doing, so he went to do it. After about half an hour DS1 went to get a drink in the kitchen and came back and said “Dave is crying in the garden”, I asked if he was sure and he said “yeah, he’s talking to Jill and he looks really upset and he’s crying. Maybe he hurt himself?” DS is autistic and is known to misread emotions etc so I thought he was wrong, but decided to go and check. I looked out the window and DS was right, DP was visibly upset and crying standing on the uncut lawn, talking to the neighbour. She did not seem worried and was still on her side of the fence. I went to let DS1 know I was popping outside to check on him (DS1 was worried and questioning me on why his step dad was so upset, and also DS2 is disabled and can’t be left alone) and we heard the front door open, then close again. I went outside and DP wasn’t there, neighbour was now on the phone so I couldn’t ask her what was up. When I came back inside I realised DP had taken his car key which was by the front door. He absolutely didn’t have that with him when he was going out to mow the lawn as he’s lost keys before and now keeps all keys separate and only takes the ones he needs with him. His car is always parked at the back of the house so I couldn’t go and check as I can’t leave DS1 and DS2 alone for that long so instead I just sent a text to DP “everything okay?”, he didn’t answer. I couldn’t call as he absolutely hates phone calls and we’ve never once spoken on the phone in all our time together, so I knew he wouldn’t answer anyway. About 15 minutes later we hear the mower out the front so I went out to see but DP just kept mowing, he had clearly been crying and still looked very upset. I waited for him to be finished and come back inside and asked him what was up and he said there was nothing wrong and acted completely confused at why I was asking, so I told him I’d seen him crying in the garden, seen him talking to the neighbour then take his car key, I said there was clearly something going on. Again he denied it, said he had been mowing the whole time (over an hour by this point, it’s a very small lawn and he definitely hadn’t even started when I went outside to look for him), didn’t have his car key, didn’t know where it was. He denied being upset or crying, but said he did say a quick hello to the neighbour.

He wasn’t himself for the rest of the day, moody and very short with me. I checked again before bed that he was okay and he said he was just annoyed at having to account for everything he does/every minute of his time and I had annoyed him when he came in from doing the garden. He said I made him feel like he took me too long doing a job which needed doing and told me to leave him alone and went to sleep, he was off with me this morning too and left for work without saying goodbye. He never does this even after an argument. I know he didn’t sleep well and was very restless, he also got up an hour before his alarm and went and sat downstairs. I didn’t bother following him as I knew he would just get more annoyed.

DP never cries, btw. Not ever. He’s very emotionally closed off and never shows emotion in front of anyone, including me. So this is very strange behaviour.

Do I leave it, or ask again?
Should I speak to the neighbour and ask her?

And what could she possibly have said/done to make him cry and upset him for the rest of the day? I know no one can answer this but I’ve gone through so many possibilities in my head and none make any sense.

OP posts:
Shapemyeyebrows · 09/05/2023 21:27

@WhatTheHeal I missed the part about the fact the neighbour used to speak to you but is now more reserved but speaks to him a lot. Now I’m thinking it’s an affair between them two.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/05/2023 21:27

Booklover40 · 09/05/2023 17:27

I think some posters are verrrry naive!

If you haven’t been affected by an affair or no one close to you has it may not seem like an obvious answer - but to most people who see this crap going on quite a lot it seems pretty obvious.

This.

Unfortunately an affair is what came to my mind too. I wonder if the OP is going to ask her neighbour if she knows why her husband was crying. I don't see another way forward really without her just keeping on asking her husband, and it seems like he will just get more and more annoyed with her if she does.

I have every sympathy with the OP (I think most of us will have), she has a disabled child as well as a husband who doesn't seem to want to spend much of his free time at home (lots of hobbies that take him out of the home) and the OP isn't even moaning about them - I would be! It doesn't sound like the OP gets much, if any, free-time to herself, and has to cope with the children on her own.

Obviously we can't actually know anything about their relationship from this small snippet of information, but if it is as bad as it sounds, this will hopefully act as a catalyst for their relationship. I think, on the very little information we have, that if I was the OP, I would want at the very least to go for counselling with my husband, and if he refused I would ask him to move out for a month or two, so that we both had thinking (and for me to get my ducks in a row) space.

BillyNoM8s · 09/05/2023 21:29

I can't believe you still haven't asked the neighbour. I would've been interrupting her phone call Blush

TheNinny · 09/05/2023 21:31

I haven’t read the full thread as short on time.

Blackmail of some kind? My first thought was of him getting dumped but perhaps she knows something he is involved with/done and is using it as leverage.

or he’s discovered she is a long lost love from the past or something he doesn’t wasn’t to speak about…

or she casually mentioned something bad that happened (maybe assuming he knew) of a shared friend or acquaintance (like sudden death, horrible illness) that has triggered him in some way. Not sure why he wouldn’t say anything though on this point.

sorry I couldn’t be more positive. hope things are okay

BillyNoM8s · 09/05/2023 21:31

Oh and men definitely shag neighbours. My dad did. Brazenly too. She was also married and we lived next door in flats. Our doors were at right angles to each other. No shame, either of 'em.

cannaecookrisotto · 09/05/2023 21:38

Fruitygal · 09/05/2023 20:05

Many many years ago I had a friend who’s dad lived 2 lives - 2 families the lot. Only discovered when both women turned up to the hospital after a serious accident.

Perhaps the neighbour knows a secret, ordered him outside to ‘mow the lawn' and threatened to tell.

If I was the OP I would be looking at accessing the his phone to see if there is anything that explains what all this is about. Lack of calls with OP when he does them with everyone else is very concerning. Far easier to say you are somewhere else if you only have to text. Very very unlikely to be medical bad news over the phone or on a bank holiday. Denying he stopped mowing the lawn and getting annoyed is a red flag.

I had a great-grandparent that did this... only found out after grandparent died and Nan was going through his personal stuff, and found a letter from his half sister asking for contact from YEARS before. Grandad never responded but Nan went all Hercule Poirot and got my aunt to track her down, and my parent and aunts/uncles have met up with her since

It's been quite a nice ending to be fair. Apparently great-grandad was even splitting Xmas day in between families Confused.

5128gap · 09/05/2023 21:39

It could be an affair. It could also be that she knows something about him that means he now talks to her about an issue he's hiding from you.
She could have found him hiding bottles in her bin. She could have had bailiffs knock her door after him. She could have seen him with another woman. She could have caught him crying before because he's secretly depressed and now he talks to her regularly for support.
Whatever it is, a secretly crying partner who won't tell you why isn't going to be trivial, and it's very important you find out asap. As he's not saying, you need to ask her.

GoodnightJude1 · 09/05/2023 21:43

Why would they risk suspicion though?? Surely she could just message him or message him to say “meet me at X we need to talk…”

DustyLee123 · 09/05/2023 21:43

No matter what it was about, he has lied to you

GoodChat · 09/05/2023 21:45

GoodnightJude1 · 09/05/2023 21:43

Why would they risk suspicion though?? Surely she could just message him or message him to say “meet me at X we need to talk…”

Maybe she's sick of pussyfooting around being the OW

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/05/2023 21:45

Sirius3030 · 09/05/2023 19:39

Op, have you considered that perhaps she is a sex worker, and that he had invited her to accompany him on a secret stag weekend in Prague, but she has declined, claiming that he is a paedophile? He is now crying at the fear of being outed. It certainly fits with the observations. Has he shown any paedophile tendencies? Perhaps time to see a solicitor? No smoke without fire…

@Sirius3030 do you think I am the OP?

It doesn't bother me if you want to make fun of me, my stubbornness, and my strong dislike of a certain phrase, but please don't upset other people with your attempt at - at what?

The OP sounds like she is in a pretty horrendous situation whether her husband is having an affair or not. She doesn't need this.

I won't be referring to yesterday's thread again.

pilates · 09/05/2023 21:49

I would be checking his phone

HaggisFace · 09/05/2023 21:51

I think you need to try and catch your neighbour and ask

Susieb2023 · 09/05/2023 21:56

I’m sorry but if you’ve been through an affair this reeks of it: the teenager style behaviour, the pathetic love struck crying, the moody behaviour and lying about where he’s been plus her not speaking to you as much but still speaking to him. His phone never leaving his side. These are all red flags.

Fuckitydoodah · 09/05/2023 21:59

I think you need to go and speak to your neighbour. Just say you noticed your DH looked very upset when he was talking to her in the garden, he's pretending he wasn't, you're very concerned that something serious is up, could she kindly shed any light on the matter.

My gut instinct is that something has gone on between them, but I hope that isn't the case.

HyggeTygge · 09/05/2023 22:00

I've figured it out.
Many years ago, he was shipwrecked on an island with a friend. Everyone else, including his lover, was killed.
To survive, his friend cooked seagulls for them to eat. Eventually, they were rescued and lived life, meeting you, etc.

Last weekend the neighbour mentioned they were trying roast seagull, to see if it would work for an 'exotic' bbq they have planned. Your DP tried a bit. He realised it tasted nothing like the 'seagull' he'd eaten on the deserted island, and reached a terrible conclusion.

Thepossibility · 09/05/2023 22:00

Sooo dodgy. Why on earth would one person decide to cut the glass in the rain and the (opposite sex) neighbour need to also stand outside in the rain for an emotional chat?
I thought affair too, sorry.

ReadersD1gest · 09/05/2023 22:01

HyggeTygge · 09/05/2023 22:00

I've figured it out.
Many years ago, he was shipwrecked on an island with a friend. Everyone else, including his lover, was killed.
To survive, his friend cooked seagulls for them to eat. Eventually, they were rescued and lived life, meeting you, etc.

Last weekend the neighbour mentioned they were trying roast seagull, to see if it would work for an 'exotic' bbq they have planned. Your DP tried a bit. He realised it tasted nothing like the 'seagull' he'd eaten on the deserted island, and reached a terrible conclusion.

You realise this is a real life situation that op is worried about, right?
Why take the piss like that?

MMMarmite · 09/05/2023 22:01

I'd definitely go talk to the neighbour.

If his behaviour has changed in general, recently, I'd also consider medical causes, and take him to a GP. Various medical conditions can cause sudden personality change.

If this defensiveness is his usual behaviour, he sounds like a bit of a prat.

Throughalookingglass · 09/05/2023 22:03

I honestly don't think you have a right to ask the neighbour why your DP was crying. It would put her in a very awkward position as she obviously knows something you don't.

Glued to a phone usually means one thing. Meeting other women. Snappy and stressed when questioned adds to this.

Is it possible that the neighbour has seen him with someone else and has told him that she is going to tell you? It would explain why she suddenly stopped being friendly to you? Your DP could have said that he wasn't 'really in a relationship' with you or 'didn't want to leave because of the children' or the usual tripe men in affairs spout. It doesn't explain why she remained friendly with him.

What struck me most is not only your DP cutting the grass in the rain but your neighbour stood in the rain for thirty minutes also for a chat? I'm inclined to think they are more than friends or she knows the person your DP was/is seeing?

Aside from the crying episode - there are so many red flags OP. Constantly being on the phone. Not talking to you on the phone. Being snappy with you. Refusing to talk to you. Leaving the house without saying goodbye. He sounds charming!!!

Why do adults cry out of the blue? When someone shows them empathy? When they are afraid? When they are depressed? When they are stressed and something snaps?

I don't know why OP, nor does anyone here but I would try to look at his phone if you can.

HyggeTygge · 09/05/2023 22:04

Sorry OP, I do sympathise, just thought a bit of humour might help as we're all essentially guessing. I've clearly got it wrong, so won't post again.

Throughalookingglass · 09/05/2023 22:05

Just thought of another thing - is there a possibility he is a gambler? And is in financial trouble?

Sneakyblinders · 09/05/2023 22:09

check his phone

Forgottenmypasswordagain · 09/05/2023 22:14

I am soor OP. It is really clear to me that he is in love with your ndn who told him to back off. Go talk to the neighbour.

UserABC12345 · 09/05/2023 22:14

So, she's known him at least 18 months and they're "chatty". So they have a basic friendship at least.

Your dh is then crying in the garden and she's remains calm and poised on her side of the fence.

That's odd behaviour to me. Instinctively she'd go to the boundary fence or even enter your garden to comfort him if they had a typical friendship. Not necessarily hug him but she'd close the gap physically. But she didn't- why? She remained calm and physically distant...does sound like an affair or another reason she's angry / removed.

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