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Guy I’m seeing has invited me to wedding abroad

157 replies

Flutterbye22 · 02/05/2023 14:55

Hello all,

I’ve recently started seeing a new guy, and he’s invited me to his friend’s wedding in Greece as his plus 1. I said yes, but I’m now starting to regret it. I was under the impression he would be covering quite a bit of it, but he’s now expecting me to go 50/50 on everything. It’s in a couple of weeks time, so not much notice at all! Im feeling stressed about it all and regretting saying yes.

For reference, I’ve paid £350 for my own flights, bought an outfit, paying for airport hotel for us both, paid £50 for an excursion and he’s now asking for half of the cost of the hire car (which I could do without tbh!!) I’m really happy just chilling at the Airbnb and getting a taxi here and there 😬

he had originally asked for 50/50 on Airbnb too but I explained I can’t afford it right now.

I usually have to plan in advance for holidays.

thoughts?? I’m not sure whether to go anymore but it’s all paid for - we’ve had a bit of an argument about it all.

OP posts:
Backtothegym · 03/05/2023 15:10

Flutterbye22 · 03/05/2023 14:58

What about if you drove said person to castle (which was an hour away) bought the tickets, and also covered the cost of lunch, bought said person a gift and baked for them as well. Still think I’m a free-loader?

I think not.

We’re still friends too - so I think he’ll disagree with you as well!

maybe you’re just a bit jealous that someone is willing to be so nice to me! I’m lucky, and I’m thankful to him! Nice things happen to nice people.

sorry you’re so bitter!

this post was about a trip to Greece for his friends wedding - not for you to call me a freeloader and judge me.

Eh, no, I’m happily married and I don’t have debt. And yes we share finances. I fail to see what about your situation you feel is envy making for others.

but do enlighten us, 😂

Nolosomi · 03/05/2023 15:58

I’ve been on loads of dates and 75% the man WANTS, I say happily WANTS to pay - all the posters bleating on about women freeloading, go and talk/rant/educate the THE MEN who want/like to do this. Unfortunately for you posters there are still men who behave and like behaving like this and women who still think it’s nice and reciprocate in other ways. My boyfriend pays for everything when we go out as I don’t earn much - he loves it & I like it too.

Bookworm20 · 03/05/2023 16:47

This guy has had a lucky escape. The same as I am raising my boys to fully pull their weight in the house, I also hope they will have no time for free loading girlfriends - not so much the holidays as the attitude to dates!

Well I'm raising my boys to also pull their weight in the house but to also ,funnily enough, not be dicks to women they want to date. I would fully expect my boys to pay for dates they wanted to take someone on and not throw it back in their face afterwards as some sort of 'expense'! I would fully expect them to be putting actual effort into anyone they were dating and not just thinking/moaning about what its costing them financially!!

Theblacksheepandme · 03/05/2023 16:51

Flutterbye22 · 03/05/2023 14:58

What about if you drove said person to castle (which was an hour away) bought the tickets, and also covered the cost of lunch, bought said person a gift and baked for them as well. Still think I’m a free-loader?

I think not.

We’re still friends too - so I think he’ll disagree with you as well!

maybe you’re just a bit jealous that someone is willing to be so nice to me! I’m lucky, and I’m thankful to him! Nice things happen to nice people.

sorry you’re so bitter!

this post was about a trip to Greece for his friends wedding - not for you to call me a freeloader and judge me.

You're now starting to sound like a 12 year old.OP.

GoodChat · 03/05/2023 16:54

Nolosomi · 03/05/2023 15:58

I’ve been on loads of dates and 75% the man WANTS, I say happily WANTS to pay - all the posters bleating on about women freeloading, go and talk/rant/educate the THE MEN who want/like to do this. Unfortunately for you posters there are still men who behave and like behaving like this and women who still think it’s nice and reciprocate in other ways. My boyfriend pays for everything when we go out as I don’t earn much - he loves it & I like it too.

And lots of these are the same men who tend to think housework and childcare is womens work.

That's what you mean by 'reciprocating in other ways'.

You're trying to tell us to remember our places. I'm sorry if that's how your relationships work out.

momtoboys · 03/05/2023 16:57

Can you get any of your money back? I can't imagine how awful it would be to be with a person that I don't know that well in another country where you know no one.

TheseThree · 03/05/2023 16:59

Another person to say cut your losses. While I agree this should have been discussed prior to accepting the invite, what’s done is done. Whether he is trying to subsidize his holiday or whether you simply have different views on invitations and travel, it sounds like you should move on. The relationship is young and is likely a reflection of the future as well. Is that what you want?

TheseThree · 03/05/2023 17:32

Apologies. I missed the update where you cancelled.

As for the chivalry conversation, I don’t think it’s dead nor do I think it’s wrong for some women to prefer a traditional relationship. I also think it’s appropriate that some people (men and women) have moved on from these roles, and prefer otherwise.

I offered to pay half of my first date with my husband. He responded, “No. I’ve got it. I asked you out.” Later we had money talks as needed, but while I did regularly have him over, he paid every time we went out, including travel.

Once we were married I immediately moved to working part time to spend more time with my daughter and began staying home full time once we had our first together. We like our traditional relationship and he doesn’t hold finances over me. We still make decisions equally even if “he’s paying”.

Some of us like traditional chivalry in dating and our spouse providing so we can exclusively attend to family and home. Some of us don’t. It’s wrong to use people. It’s not wrong to have similar values.

Nolosomi · 03/05/2023 17:52

@GoodChat you have projected onto me a script. You are narrow minded in this respect and it’s very telling!

gannett · 03/05/2023 18:05

TheseThree · 03/05/2023 17:32

Apologies. I missed the update where you cancelled.

As for the chivalry conversation, I don’t think it’s dead nor do I think it’s wrong for some women to prefer a traditional relationship. I also think it’s appropriate that some people (men and women) have moved on from these roles, and prefer otherwise.

I offered to pay half of my first date with my husband. He responded, “No. I’ve got it. I asked you out.” Later we had money talks as needed, but while I did regularly have him over, he paid every time we went out, including travel.

Once we were married I immediately moved to working part time to spend more time with my daughter and began staying home full time once we had our first together. We like our traditional relationship and he doesn’t hold finances over me. We still make decisions equally even if “he’s paying”.

Some of us like traditional chivalry in dating and our spouse providing so we can exclusively attend to family and home. Some of us don’t. It’s wrong to use people. It’s not wrong to have similar values.

It's reasonable if your setup works for you, but it's also wrong when women who have moved on from those roles are told they have low standards, and men who have moved on from those roles are told they're cheap or tight.

It also irks me because in my 20s I was surrounded by wonderful people who earned fuck all, because that was the nature of our industry. I couldn't have afforded to splurge endlessly on dates with people I'd only just met and it annoys me that my brilliant male friends would've been dismissed for not earning banker salaries, or accused of not being into someone just because they couldn't afford to splash the cash.

I have also dated men who wanted to pay for everything and when I was broke it was nice to get to do a few fancy things - right until, without exception, it became clear they thought they'd bought me, in some sense.

Backtothegym · 03/05/2023 18:16

TheseThree · 03/05/2023 17:32

Apologies. I missed the update where you cancelled.

As for the chivalry conversation, I don’t think it’s dead nor do I think it’s wrong for some women to prefer a traditional relationship. I also think it’s appropriate that some people (men and women) have moved on from these roles, and prefer otherwise.

I offered to pay half of my first date with my husband. He responded, “No. I’ve got it. I asked you out.” Later we had money talks as needed, but while I did regularly have him over, he paid every time we went out, including travel.

Once we were married I immediately moved to working part time to spend more time with my daughter and began staying home full time once we had our first together. We like our traditional relationship and he doesn’t hold finances over me. We still make decisions equally even if “he’s paying”.

Some of us like traditional chivalry in dating and our spouse providing so we can exclusively attend to family and home. Some of us don’t. It’s wrong to use people. It’s not wrong to have similar values.

I don’t see this as chivalry and as much as it works for you. It is not something I could stomach. Amd it is not something I’d wish my daughter to aspire to either, stay home, do the household chores and child care and have your husband pay for you. I don’t think many women teach their daughters this is the way forward now.

However every year more and more young women move away from this dated or “traditional “ concept of a relationship and moved to one of equality, in earnings, in childcare and in domestic chores

and if you are one of those women who have moved away from it, then paying your way is a mark of pride and a mark of equality from the start. If you’re looking for someone to pay for you. then yes, having them pay from the start is a good indicator that he will pay for you throughout.

Kickingupmerrybehaviour · 03/05/2023 18:53

@Backtothegym honestly talk about high horse. Is your nose bleeding up there? Jeez. I work and have a career. My husband just liked to romance me when we were dating and still does. He’s a generous, romantic man. Letting a man buy you dinner doesn’t mean he wants to chain you to kitchen sink

GennyGennyGenny · 03/05/2023 19:23

Flutterbye22 · 02/05/2023 22:14

Ah thank you - I agree. He was very tight indeed, and he was making me feel bad for spending money on me!

OP, you called him tight in this post.

GoodChat · 03/05/2023 19:27

Nolosomi · 03/05/2023 17:52

@GoodChat you have projected onto me a script. You are narrow minded in this respect and it’s very telling!

Am I wrong? Or are you expecting men to pay for most things and do an equal share in the home too?

blueshoes · 03/05/2023 19:33

OP, glad you backed out and hope you get your refund.

One thing which jumped out at me when I read your OP. Were you going to share hotel rooms with him? Are you at the stage in the relationship where that would not be awkward?

Nolosomi · 03/05/2023 20:22

@GoodChat yes you are wrong, and extremely tiresome!

greyhairnomore · 03/05/2023 21:22

Kickingupmerrybehaviour · 02/05/2023 22:35

@Backtothegym it’s a valid dating choice to expect the man to pay. I always did. Heterosexual dating is biological. Men pursue, try to woo and impress. If they’re not doing that, it’s over, they don’t like you.

Is it 1950 ?

Backtothegym · 03/05/2023 21:40

Kickingupmerrybehaviour · 03/05/2023 18:53

@Backtothegym honestly talk about high horse. Is your nose bleeding up there? Jeez. I work and have a career. My husband just liked to romance me when we were dating and still does. He’s a generous, romantic man. Letting a man buy you dinner doesn’t mean he wants to chain you to kitchen sink

Bleurgh, romancing to you means paying for you? That’s what you consider romance?. <shudders>

Starlitestarbright · 03/05/2023 21:42

Your pissed off because you thought you would get a free holiday bar the flights. You sound like a cf.

Flutterbye22 · 03/05/2023 21:59

Starlitestarbright · 03/05/2023 21:42

Your pissed off because you thought you would get a free holiday bar the flights. You sound like a cf.

No I didn’t want a free holiday. I still don’t view this as a holiday. If it was a holiday, it would’ve been somewhere I’d selected. I was going to support him at his friend’s wedding as his guest.

I’ll book my own damn holiday thanks!

OP posts:
GoodChat · 04/05/2023 05:40

Nolosomi · 03/05/2023 20:22

@GoodChat yes you are wrong, and extremely tiresome!

But you won't clarify how I'm wrong. Interesting.

WilkinsonM · 04/05/2023 05:58

Flutterbye22 · 02/05/2023 17:05

Well I’ve known him a couple of months (since Feb) but have only really been on a few dates with him - it is VERY early days. Again, probs should’ve said no to the invite to the Greek wedding lol

God almighty what made you think a holiday with a guy you've been dating for 3 months was a good idea?!
go on the holiday but I'm fairly confident it will spell the end because he sounds like a tight arse and that kind of entitled behaviour doesn't stop at expecting you to help fund his trip...

Flappingtarps · 04/05/2023 07:16

I swear it will come to the point on Mumsnet where absolutely no one will post about any dilemmas or issues ever more because of other posters endlessly goading or dissecting or projecting. Or doing anything they can to make the op feel bad. And we will have all ruined what used to be a helpful and supportive site.

And if an op is honest and admits, god forbid, to not being 100% perfect, or as in this case, having made an error of judgment, then the pile on is even more enthusiastic.

Then the op is put on the position of having to justify themselves over and over again for just being human or, for example, having encountered someone who is less than ideal boyfriend material. And everyone responding to the op is of course 100% perfect 100% of the time aren’t they?

I get that a thread opens up in to a wider discussion but why is it those very women who purport to care most about the sisterhood who seem to
be the very worst at this? Along with incel type men? Both groups appear to be absolutely merciless. They don’t seem to be able to tolerate any other opinion but their own. You see it in the sahm v wohm threads all of the time.

Of course women want financial independence, equal earnings, equal careers, equal childcare, equal housework, and to be paying your own way wherever possible, but honestly, I don’t care how competent and professional a woman is entering a relationship with a man, you cannot ignore the biological vulnerability of that position, despite almost full proof contraception.

Ultimately, along with other variations on the same theme, the biological imperative for most but not all humans, is to meet someone of the opposite sex, form a strong bond, and procreate and ensure the continuation of our species. That being the case, a woman has potentially a lot more to lose entering in to a relationship than a man.

People will howl at this suggestion (fortunately I’m old enough not to care anymore) but even in this day and age where women can support themselves and do it all, it’s no bad thing to check out if a man you are dating is kind, supportive, empathetic and yes, is prepared very occasionally to shoulder the financial load.

Because as a woman, you can’t avoid the biological facts that ensure it will probably be you who are the one stuck earning less during maternity leave, you will potentially be the one taking a kick to your career progression when undergoing one pregnancy or more, and you may be the one forced to cut your working hours if you or your child are ill or disabled through the process of childbirth, or your baby has a congenital health issue, or even just has a bad run of entirely normal infant illnesses. Hopefully earnings will recover, but they don’t always.

Obviously it’s a good idea to go halves on dates before things get serious and to always stand on your own two feet financially, and not feel that you owe anyone anything, but if a man is virtually never ever willing to pay for a meal, or appears to be extremely controlling over money, or as in this situation, makes a financial agreement and then goes back on his word about it, then you can be pretty certain that they ultimately won’t be supportive husbands or fathers either. And it’s far better to find that out earlier on during the dating stage, than at a more serious point in the relationship.

And if that opinion makes me an old reactionary fart then so be it; my point speaks to the reality, not just the rhetoric, of working motherhood.

Mortimercat · 04/05/2023 07:21

If a new boyfriend suggested a trip, be it for a wedding or anything else, I would expect to pay my half and I certainly would expect to sort out my own outfits!

I wouldn’t expect to contribute for the wedding gift. But he is paying for the accommodation and you are paying for the airport hotel. It all seems reasonable to me.

Christmascracker0 · 04/05/2023 08:26

Flappingtarps · 04/05/2023 07:16

I swear it will come to the point on Mumsnet where absolutely no one will post about any dilemmas or issues ever more because of other posters endlessly goading or dissecting or projecting. Or doing anything they can to make the op feel bad. And we will have all ruined what used to be a helpful and supportive site.

And if an op is honest and admits, god forbid, to not being 100% perfect, or as in this case, having made an error of judgment, then the pile on is even more enthusiastic.

Then the op is put on the position of having to justify themselves over and over again for just being human or, for example, having encountered someone who is less than ideal boyfriend material. And everyone responding to the op is of course 100% perfect 100% of the time aren’t they?

I get that a thread opens up in to a wider discussion but why is it those very women who purport to care most about the sisterhood who seem to
be the very worst at this? Along with incel type men? Both groups appear to be absolutely merciless. They don’t seem to be able to tolerate any other opinion but their own. You see it in the sahm v wohm threads all of the time.

Of course women want financial independence, equal earnings, equal careers, equal childcare, equal housework, and to be paying your own way wherever possible, but honestly, I don’t care how competent and professional a woman is entering a relationship with a man, you cannot ignore the biological vulnerability of that position, despite almost full proof contraception.

Ultimately, along with other variations on the same theme, the biological imperative for most but not all humans, is to meet someone of the opposite sex, form a strong bond, and procreate and ensure the continuation of our species. That being the case, a woman has potentially a lot more to lose entering in to a relationship than a man.

People will howl at this suggestion (fortunately I’m old enough not to care anymore) but even in this day and age where women can support themselves and do it all, it’s no bad thing to check out if a man you are dating is kind, supportive, empathetic and yes, is prepared very occasionally to shoulder the financial load.

Because as a woman, you can’t avoid the biological facts that ensure it will probably be you who are the one stuck earning less during maternity leave, you will potentially be the one taking a kick to your career progression when undergoing one pregnancy or more, and you may be the one forced to cut your working hours if you or your child are ill or disabled through the process of childbirth, or your baby has a congenital health issue, or even just has a bad run of entirely normal infant illnesses. Hopefully earnings will recover, but they don’t always.

Obviously it’s a good idea to go halves on dates before things get serious and to always stand on your own two feet financially, and not feel that you owe anyone anything, but if a man is virtually never ever willing to pay for a meal, or appears to be extremely controlling over money, or as in this situation, makes a financial agreement and then goes back on his word about it, then you can be pretty certain that they ultimately won’t be supportive husbands or fathers either. And it’s far better to find that out earlier on during the dating stage, than at a more serious point in the relationship.

And if that opinion makes me an old reactionary fart then so be it; my point speaks to the reality, not just the rhetoric, of working motherhood.

Yes, your view is outdated. Women don’t have to sacrifice their careers anymore. And a lot of women actually don’t want children in the first place.

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