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Female opinions needed please: After many years of being single, I've met someone I really connect with, but there is a snag...

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NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:14

For a bit of background I am a 43 year old male, no brothers or sisters, my mum died over 20 years ago, and there is just me and my dad, and he is 82 and despite being in good health in the grand scheme of things I know he won't be around much longer.

Whilst nearly all of my friends have gone on to get married/have kids/buy houses I have done none of that. I've spent a big part of my life single, no kids, living in the home I was born in (my dad lives with his partner). I never foresaw my life turning out this way, but it has.

I want to stress I am not unhappy, I am pretty positive and optimistic, have a good social life and a good group of friends, and I like to think I have looked after myself reasonably well, I am fit and healthy and (I hope) a decent human being.

I do find it hard to make a deep connection with someone, and I would rather be single for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. I have lots of female friends, but I reckon in the past 25 years I probably have only felt a real spark/connection with maybe three females.

One of them happened in January, and this is the crux of my story.

Back in November I joined a running club local to me. Just a one hour a week thing, but it has been good, it is a good group of people and I really enjoy it.

One of the first things I noticed the first time I went was that the female coach was really pretty. It was November and she was wrapped up in a big coat, hat, scarf, etc, but I could see she was very attractive (she is also a fair bit younger than me, there is a 12 year age difference).

Didn't think anything more of it, as being in a big group we didn't really get to know each other aside from a few words here and there.

A few weeks later I found out she is dating a friend of a friend. He is a guy who works for my friend's company and has done so for around a decade. I've met him maybe 10 to 15 times over that period and he is a nice guy.

Again didn't think any more of it.

Then things started to change in mid-January, both my running coach and her boyfriend (we will call her Rachel) were at our mutual friend's 40th birthday.

Rachel and I started talking and ended up chatting pretty much the entire evening. There was an immediate connection, we realised we shared a lot of the same thoughts and attitudes to life and had a lot in common.

The next morning I woke up and thought how much I had enjoyed talking to her the previous evening, when I heard the ping of a message on WhatsApp. It was Rachel saying how much she had enjoyed seeing me outside of running and how nice it had been to chat.

We swapped a few messages back and forth that day, then again a few days later, then probably within a week we were messaging every day, and that is how it has been since the end of January.

We message back and forth constantly on WhatsApp throughout the day. We've met up for coffees and walks and runs, she has come round to my house a few times to catch up and whenever we do spend time together she always messages me after saying how lovely it is.

The messages we swapped haven't crossed any boundaries, but we both have said we feel a connection, that we really enjoy each other's company and there was lots of light flirting, without either of us addressing the situation head on.

So last week she came round and I told her how I felt. I basically said I like her a lot, that initially it was just a physical attraction, but when I got to talk to her properly I realised it was much deeper than that and it has developed over the past few weeks/monts. For me it was more the chance to get the feelings off of my chest than look for answer.

At the time she said she liked me too, and that it was obvious how well we get on from how much we message and that it feels natural and we share a lot of the same thoughts and attitudes to life.

After she left she sent me a message saying she was sorry if she was a bit quiet when I told her I liked her, but she "didn't feel she was in a position to really say too much, but that I hoped I knew she thought I was wonderful".

A couple of days later she said she had been doing loads of thinking since my chat with her. She didn't say specifically what it was about, just that although she was always a great advocate for communication she knew sometimes in some situations she could be a bit closed. She said she had got herself into a messy situation when she was younger by being too honest, and maybe that was why.

If anything since I told her how I felt, our communication and flirting and has gone up a notch.

The one thing I noticed was if she wasn't interested in me in a romantic way she could easily have used the get-out and said she saw me just as a friend. Whilst she might not have wanted to do this in person, she could have done it via a message, but she never has, instead she said she was not in a position to say much.

For a bit of background information on her relationship. In 2021 she left her ex who she had been with for six years. Never talked to anyone about it, just turned up on her parent's doorstep one day and moved back in with them.

She met her current boyfriend fairly soon after I think, so they have probably been together around 18 months. He has a nice flat, but she lives at home with her parents not with him. She has never mentioned to me about moving in with him, but instead says she is saving up to buy her own place. They don't seem to spend a huge amount of time together, and he doesn't appear in any photos she posts on Instagram etc.

The only time she has mentioned her boyfriend to me was when she was talking about the cats she had with her ex and how she needed to find a new home for them. She said her current boyfriend wouldn't have them as he doesn't like cats, I jokingly replied "What??!" (I love cats), and she just replied with a red flag emoji.

Anyway, I feel silly posting something like this as a 43-year-old man, but I guess I'd just love to hear others opinions on it. Do I just leave this? Do I cut contact? Or do I pursue it?

Apologies for the long post.

TLDR: I am a 43 year old male. It is rare I meet a girl I really connect with, I did in January and we have been messaging back and forth constantly since and seen each other on a number of occasions. We both recognise the connection, but she has a boyfriend.

OP posts:
Effieswig · 19/04/2023 18:17

How would you feel if you were with her and she was doing this with another man?

sunflowersandtomatoes · 19/04/2023 18:19

You say, hey, are you still with your boyfriend? Because if you’re not, I’d like to ask you out for dinner.

No need to thank me.

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:21

sunflowersandtomatoes · 19/04/2023 18:19

You say, hey, are you still with your boyfriend? Because if you’re not, I’d like to ask you out for dinner.

No need to thank me.

Well I know she is still with him that is the problem!

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NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:22

Effieswig · 19/04/2023 18:17

How would you feel if you were with her and she was doing this with another man?

A bit peeved.

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Trixiedrum · 19/04/2023 18:22

You’ve given her the opportunity to say she wants a relationship with you and she hasn’t taken it. Respect that decision and cut back contact, give her space. If she changes her mind and ends her relationship she knows where you are, but she may prefer to stick with her partner and that’s her prerogative.

WhatelseotherthanADs · 19/04/2023 18:25

She doesn’t sound like a keeper sorry. What she’s doing isn’t fair to either of you - I bet if her boyfriend of 18 months knew about the level /type of contact between you even before you fessed your feelings, he would be shocked and hurt. Also if she saw you as her one and only she would have ended things with her boyfriend either before you said anything, but definitely after telling her how you felt. It sounds to me like she’s just stringing you along as an ego boost / back up sorry

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:27

Trixiedrum · 19/04/2023 18:22

You’ve given her the opportunity to say she wants a relationship with you and she hasn’t taken it. Respect that decision and cut back contact, give her space. If she changes her mind and ends her relationship she knows where you are, but she may prefer to stick with her partner and that’s her prerogative.

Just to reiterate, it isn't always me that initiates the contact, it is split 50/50.

But yes that is a fair point. It is so rare I feel this kind of connection, I guess I want to keep it going, but maybe for my own good I should cut back contact.

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suburbophobe · 19/04/2023 18:28

She sounds like a head fucker. Giving you the come on while with a boyfriend?

Nah. Even if you did get together she'd find another to repeat the pattern.

Sorry OP.

Time to move on.

itsmylife7 · 19/04/2023 18:28

Back off from her she's made her intentions clear.

She could be enjoying the flirting but it's not a good sign she's doing this whilst she's got a boyfriend.

She could just be "playing you " no one knows, apart from her.

WashAsDelicates · 19/04/2023 18:29

Well I know she is still with him that is the problem!

Do you, though? If she is unsure of herself or unsure about you, a 'boyfriend' is a convenient out.

Just ask her. "Hey, are you still with your boyfriend? Because if you’re not, I’d like to ask you out for dinner." This is perfect. If she is neutral or tells you to back off, respect that and back off.

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:29

WhatelseotherthanADs · 19/04/2023 18:25

She doesn’t sound like a keeper sorry. What she’s doing isn’t fair to either of you - I bet if her boyfriend of 18 months knew about the level /type of contact between you even before you fessed your feelings, he would be shocked and hurt. Also if she saw you as her one and only she would have ended things with her boyfriend either before you said anything, but definitely after telling her how you felt. It sounds to me like she’s just stringing you along as an ego boost / back up sorry

No need to apologise, it is what I need to hear really, thank you!

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AtrociousCircumstance · 19/04/2023 18:29

She’s not being fair with you. I reckon you should say to her something like, “look, I really like you, and I can’t stay in this limbo - let me know if you’re single and I’d love to take you on a date. Until then I’m afraid I will need to pull back a bit to avoid getting hurt, because I do feel a real connection you, as you know!”

WashAsDelicates · 19/04/2023 18:30

Or maybe she's a manipulator, as other posters think. 🤷🏻‍♀️

PollyPeptide · 19/04/2023 18:32

You've laid your feelings on the line for her. It's up to her now. She either finishes with her boyfriend or she doesn't. That will tell you everything you need to know.
Ease back on the texting and be no more than casually friendly because really you're allowing her to play with the feelings of both you and her boyfriend which seems quite poor on her boyfriend. Only you know if she's crossed any boundaries that you'd be unhappy about if you were her partner, but remember that if she can behave like this behind her boyfriend's back, she can behave like this behind yours.

Plantgeumstoday · 19/04/2023 18:32

I think you have to be a bit more direct.
You need to know whether you’re wasting your time and whether she’s just stringing you along.
If she posted a red flag re the boyfriend not liking cats is she planning on staying with him?
It sounds like she’s stringing him along too tbh.
If she was your girlfriend how would you know she wasn’t doing this behind your back ?

ItsCalledAConversation · 19/04/2023 18:32

Rachel is a prick tease and is getting off on the attention. You can do better.

TribeD · 19/04/2023 18:34

If you're happy to be with a woman who is flirting with other men whilst she's in a relationship then keep on as you are.

If you aren't, then walk away.

RobinWoodPrinceofLeaves · 19/04/2023 18:34

Yoy have told her, so the ball is in her court. It may be hard for her as she’s in a committed relationship.

Personally, I would wind down a little as it sounds pretty intense. Maybe absence can make her heart grow fonder if you.

YouJustDoYou · 19/04/2023 18:35

She's already showed you that is she is capable of going behind a partner's back to meetup with another guy, message him all the time, and basically have a bit of a flirty relationship. I'm betting she hasn't told her poor boyfriend that she's been confessed to...and also that she hasn't turned you down.

This sneaky slight underhandedness would not be a good start to any relationship. If she can do it to her boyfriend, and string you both along, she is fully capable of doing it to you.

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:36

I don't think she is a manipulator, but then again I guess in situations like this we always only see the best in the other person, we can get blindsided a bit.

Part of the problem is I have been working for myself from home for the past two years, and it has given me way too much time to dwell and think about things in my own space, like this

Within the last couple of hours I've just been offered a job at an interview I went for, so will be back working in a busy organisation doing what I love. Hopefully this will also help alleviate the situation and the overthinking.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments!

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RenoDakota · 19/04/2023 18:38

A bit of a different opinion to most here: Maybe she is genuinely torn and is treading carefully while making up her mind.

WhereAreYouuu · 19/04/2023 18:39

Say she leaves her boyfriend, starts a relationship with you.

Will you ever be able to trust her?

A few years down the line when you're sat, watching TV and she's more interested in her phone, sat smiling to herself what will you think? A friend? A man? Will you ask? Will it always be in the back of your mind that she's capable of 'overlap' in relationships?

ThePoshUns · 19/04/2023 18:42

I'd pull back now. You've been honest with her about your feelings for her but she hasn't said how she feels about you.
It does sound like she likes you and the attention you give her but she doesn't seem to be interested in progressing the relationship.
Take heart that you are able to attract a woman that you like, maybe the bees job will open new opportunities to meet someone else.

tribpot · 19/04/2023 18:45

I think she's being unfair to you. She's enjoying the attention, dropping blatant hints she is unhappy with her boyfriend, but doing nothing about it.

I think I would tell her you don't want to be friends, so you're going to back off. If she ever finds herself single, you'd like to take her out for dinner.

I do agree, though - if she can do this to him, she may do it to you down the line as well.

CreationNat1on · 19/04/2023 18:46

Hmmmmm. Does her BF know about her cosy friendship with you?

I think you are risking your reputation for someone who seems to love attention and the ego boost.

She should either back off, or break up with her BF, or invite you togroupsocial events with her BF there, not sneak in and out of your house for coffees. Sorry its all childish and weird.

You on paper sound like a good catch: nice, healthy, no baggage guy with a mortgage free home. Your pal is her BF s employer. If she truly enjoys your personality, then you are the better catch than her BF, so why isn't she dumping him for you?

She sounds quiet entitled, showing up on parents doorstep with a bag of cats.

....... "don't marry her, when you can have me" 😆😆😆😆, I m the female version of you, I m the better catch!!!!, 😜

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