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Female opinions needed please: After many years of being single, I've met someone I really connect with, but there is a snag...

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NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:14

For a bit of background I am a 43 year old male, no brothers or sisters, my mum died over 20 years ago, and there is just me and my dad, and he is 82 and despite being in good health in the grand scheme of things I know he won't be around much longer.

Whilst nearly all of my friends have gone on to get married/have kids/buy houses I have done none of that. I've spent a big part of my life single, no kids, living in the home I was born in (my dad lives with his partner). I never foresaw my life turning out this way, but it has.

I want to stress I am not unhappy, I am pretty positive and optimistic, have a good social life and a good group of friends, and I like to think I have looked after myself reasonably well, I am fit and healthy and (I hope) a decent human being.

I do find it hard to make a deep connection with someone, and I would rather be single for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. I have lots of female friends, but I reckon in the past 25 years I probably have only felt a real spark/connection with maybe three females.

One of them happened in January, and this is the crux of my story.

Back in November I joined a running club local to me. Just a one hour a week thing, but it has been good, it is a good group of people and I really enjoy it.

One of the first things I noticed the first time I went was that the female coach was really pretty. It was November and she was wrapped up in a big coat, hat, scarf, etc, but I could see she was very attractive (she is also a fair bit younger than me, there is a 12 year age difference).

Didn't think anything more of it, as being in a big group we didn't really get to know each other aside from a few words here and there.

A few weeks later I found out she is dating a friend of a friend. He is a guy who works for my friend's company and has done so for around a decade. I've met him maybe 10 to 15 times over that period and he is a nice guy.

Again didn't think any more of it.

Then things started to change in mid-January, both my running coach and her boyfriend (we will call her Rachel) were at our mutual friend's 40th birthday.

Rachel and I started talking and ended up chatting pretty much the entire evening. There was an immediate connection, we realised we shared a lot of the same thoughts and attitudes to life and had a lot in common.

The next morning I woke up and thought how much I had enjoyed talking to her the previous evening, when I heard the ping of a message on WhatsApp. It was Rachel saying how much she had enjoyed seeing me outside of running and how nice it had been to chat.

We swapped a few messages back and forth that day, then again a few days later, then probably within a week we were messaging every day, and that is how it has been since the end of January.

We message back and forth constantly on WhatsApp throughout the day. We've met up for coffees and walks and runs, she has come round to my house a few times to catch up and whenever we do spend time together she always messages me after saying how lovely it is.

The messages we swapped haven't crossed any boundaries, but we both have said we feel a connection, that we really enjoy each other's company and there was lots of light flirting, without either of us addressing the situation head on.

So last week she came round and I told her how I felt. I basically said I like her a lot, that initially it was just a physical attraction, but when I got to talk to her properly I realised it was much deeper than that and it has developed over the past few weeks/monts. For me it was more the chance to get the feelings off of my chest than look for answer.

At the time she said she liked me too, and that it was obvious how well we get on from how much we message and that it feels natural and we share a lot of the same thoughts and attitudes to life.

After she left she sent me a message saying she was sorry if she was a bit quiet when I told her I liked her, but she "didn't feel she was in a position to really say too much, but that I hoped I knew she thought I was wonderful".

A couple of days later she said she had been doing loads of thinking since my chat with her. She didn't say specifically what it was about, just that although she was always a great advocate for communication she knew sometimes in some situations she could be a bit closed. She said she had got herself into a messy situation when she was younger by being too honest, and maybe that was why.

If anything since I told her how I felt, our communication and flirting and has gone up a notch.

The one thing I noticed was if she wasn't interested in me in a romantic way she could easily have used the get-out and said she saw me just as a friend. Whilst she might not have wanted to do this in person, she could have done it via a message, but she never has, instead she said she was not in a position to say much.

For a bit of background information on her relationship. In 2021 she left her ex who she had been with for six years. Never talked to anyone about it, just turned up on her parent's doorstep one day and moved back in with them.

She met her current boyfriend fairly soon after I think, so they have probably been together around 18 months. He has a nice flat, but she lives at home with her parents not with him. She has never mentioned to me about moving in with him, but instead says she is saving up to buy her own place. They don't seem to spend a huge amount of time together, and he doesn't appear in any photos she posts on Instagram etc.

The only time she has mentioned her boyfriend to me was when she was talking about the cats she had with her ex and how she needed to find a new home for them. She said her current boyfriend wouldn't have them as he doesn't like cats, I jokingly replied "What??!" (I love cats), and she just replied with a red flag emoji.

Anyway, I feel silly posting something like this as a 43-year-old man, but I guess I'd just love to hear others opinions on it. Do I just leave this? Do I cut contact? Or do I pursue it?

Apologies for the long post.

TLDR: I am a 43 year old male. It is rare I meet a girl I really connect with, I did in January and we have been messaging back and forth constantly since and seen each other on a number of occasions. We both recognise the connection, but she has a boyfriend.

OP posts:
Daffodil18 · 19/04/2023 18:52

People are being far to negative about Rachel. I would say after 18 months and she hasn’t moved in with her BF then it sounds like the relationship wasn’t going anywhere anyway. She has feelings for you but obviously has feelings for current BF so is probably torn. This doesn’t mean she is untrustworthy. If you back off from her then you risk losing her. You need to make her see why you would make a better BF for her.

Effieswig · 19/04/2023 18:54

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:22

A bit peeved.

So why would you want to date or be with someone you know would do this?

Blueblell · 19/04/2023 18:55

It sounds like she may be considering things as she says she can’t talk about it at the moment. I think if it was a permanent no she would have said she doesn’t see you that way or is not going to leave her boyfriend ect.

Maybe give it some time before making any decisions.

SirChenjins · 19/04/2023 18:58

She’s either a prize manipulator or she’s got herself in a pickle and she’s torn. Either way, you’re both a bit too old for silly games - I’d do as the pp says and ask if she’s still with her boyfriend and ask her out if she says no. If she says ‘it’s complicated’ or some such BS then walk away - you’re not there to provide the entertainment on the side until she finishes her game of eeny meeny miny moe.

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:59

Effieswig · 19/04/2023 18:54

So why would you want to date or be with someone you know would do this?

Because every situation is different I guess.

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Greensleevevssnotnose · 19/04/2023 19:02

I would lay it out for her. Then tell her you want no more contact till she is single. This is what my current partner did with me and we waited until my divorce came through.

Mischance · 19/04/2023 19:03

Maybe you need to be open with her. Tell her you would like to start a relationship with her, rather than the current "just friends" situation, but clearly that is not a possibility as she has a boyfriend. Tell her that the situation is not tenable and that it would be better if you did not see each other.

If she jumps up and down and says this is what she wants too and has been waiting for you to take the initiative then you have a lot to discuss.

If she is just stringing you along for the hell of it then hopefully that will become clear.

SheilaFentiman · 19/04/2023 19:04

“Maybe you need to be open with her. Tell her you would like to start a relationship with her, rather than the current "just friends" situation, but clearly that is not a possibility as she has a boyfriend. Tell her that the situation is not tenable and that it would be better if you did not see each other.”

Yes, this is a good approach.

SeaDee · 19/04/2023 19:04

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:36

I don't think she is a manipulator, but then again I guess in situations like this we always only see the best in the other person, we can get blindsided a bit.

Part of the problem is I have been working for myself from home for the past two years, and it has given me way too much time to dwell and think about things in my own space, like this

Within the last couple of hours I've just been offered a job at an interview I went for, so will be back working in a busy organisation doing what I love. Hopefully this will also help alleviate the situation and the overthinking.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments!

That's the thing about manipulators though

The person being manipulated generally doesn't realise they are being manipulated

EggInANest · 19/04/2023 19:05

“Thanks for your honesty in your response to me telling you about how I feel. Let me know if / when you are in a position to ‘say more’ (aka single) and I would love to take you to dinner, go on an actual date. But whatever, lovely to have you as a running friend”.

And keep a distance until such time as she does not have a boyfriend.

NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 19:05

Haha I am definitely too old for silly games that I agree with.

What I will say is it was only a week ago I told her how I felt, so maybe she is still processing it and thinking things over.

I guess my point is similar to Blueblells, if it was a definite and permanent no she could easily have said "I just see you as a friend", instead she didn't and just said she felt like she couldn't say much.

I hope I have put the ball back in her court by telling her how I felt, I know I certainly feel much better for having told her my feelings. I no longer have them running around in my head.

Again thanks everyone for your input!

OP posts:
SirChenjins · 19/04/2023 19:09

Ah, ok, if it’s just a week then she’ll have a lot to process. I like this - perfect response “Thanks for your honesty in your response to me telling you about how I feel. Let me know if / when you are in a position to ‘say more’ (aka single) and I would love to take you to dinner, go on an actual date. But whatever, lovely to have you as a running friend”. Then be her running friend and cool off everything else.

Redcliffe1 · 19/04/2023 19:10

You sound lovely. And well done for telling her how you feel. I'd give it few more weeks and see what happens- you don't need to make any big decisions right now

ThePoshUns · 19/04/2023 19:13

SheilaFentiman · 19/04/2023 19:04

“Maybe you need to be open with her. Tell her you would like to start a relationship with her, rather than the current "just friends" situation, but clearly that is not a possibility as she has a boyfriend. Tell her that the situation is not tenable and that it would be better if you did not see each other.”

Yes, this is a good approach.

I agree. A mature and honest approach.

Seas164 · 19/04/2023 19:20

I think that if someone makes it clear that they are interested in you, then to respond with I Can't Say Much doesn't really cut it.

At best she's a crap communicator that can't make her mind up what she wants and is happy to develop line crossing friendships while in relationships.

At worst she's got you both on the line and is enjoying the ego boost.

Either way, I'd give her a bit of space and leave some room for her to come to you and make it clear in return if she's interested.

ShowUs · 19/04/2023 19:20

Some women (and men) enjoy attention.

And they will give small signals and subtle flirts to keep your interest but not enough to make it definitive that they want to be with you.

You do not want to get into these games as you’ll end up wasting your life because they’ll never be with you.

I would give it a few more days and then ask her bluntly whether she wants to take your friendship to the next stage or stay as just friends.

If she’s hesitant or doesn’t give you a straight answer then back off and assume it’s because she doesn’t want a relationship with you.

She obviously likes you as a friend but don’t let her keep you from meeting someone else.

DancedByTheLightOfTheMoon · 19/04/2023 19:21

From what you've said l don't think she is a manipulator, l think she has probably been hurt in the past, the relationship she has now probably suits her because she's not in too deep.
Give it time, if it's meant to be love will find a way.
I very much hope it works out for you both.

LadyHag · 19/04/2023 19:27

While ever you stay in this kind of contact with her, and even if you ended up dating, you are approving this kindvof flirtatious behaviour, and therefore giving it the green light for her to continue behaving like this if you ended up dating. And as you have noted up thread, you'd be peeved if you were the current boyfriend.

Marineboy67 · 19/04/2023 19:31

Think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. She's enjoying the extra curricular attention from you whilst shagging her boyfriend, partner! Your being strung along especially now you've fessed up to liking her. Let's hope her boyfriend doesn't look at her phone and find your messages. You might wind up with more than a few emotional bruises! Can you not see your just a dalliance to her?
Knock it on the head or find someone single and available....she's not!

RenoDakota · 19/04/2023 19:35

RenoDakota · 19/04/2023 18:38

A bit of a different opinion to most here: Maybe she is genuinely torn and is treading carefully while making up her mind.

Meant to say I think you sound really nice, OP, and hope it works out for you.

80s · 19/04/2023 19:39

Not too impressed by Rachel here. Even if you ask her to make her mind up, and she leaves her bf in a semi-decent manner, she is still evidently the type to act dismissively towards her bfs behind their back, and flirt with other men/mess with their heads while in a relationship.

Maybe this is just a sign that you fancy a relationship now? You're evidently reasonably attractive and interesting as a person, and perhaps the fact that you haven't clicked with many women is partly simply because you haven't been looking that hard? It's a nice relaxed attitude that would also be pretty attractive to many women. Perhaps just do slightly more looking?

TheyAreMyBhunasPete · 19/04/2023 19:41

I was Rachel in this situation. I met a guy when I had a boyfriend. Worked together. Thought I was happy but became friends with the new guy. We clearly clicked but never crossed any boundaries, until he asked me how I felt and said he liked me. I told him I was happy in my relationship (I thought I was, but in hindsight it was just safe). 2 weeks later, I break up with my boyfriend. 7 years later, we are married with 3 children.

Leave her. She might need time to think, or time to make space between you as she knows it's not appropriate. Either way, it should be clear soon enough.

TheyAreMyBhunasPete · 19/04/2023 19:43

I would like to add to everyone saying you can't trust her. My husband is the love of my life and I've never felt a love like it. We communicate well and never (literally) ever argue. I would never dream of leaving him for another man. Sometimes you just meet the right person at the wrong time. I'm glad he took the leap and decided he could trust me.

Bluebells1970 · 19/04/2023 19:43

I think it's done you good, and been an ego boost but she's in no position to be flirting with anyone other than her partner. I would just dial it back a little, don't answer messages immediately/start conversations and if you do chat, bring it back to the running group each time.

You are very likely to get hurt if this carries on as it is, and we all should be better at self-preservation.

Luredbyapomegranate · 19/04/2023 19:47

Back off, she is mucking you about - and a load of jazz about communication and cats doesn’t change that.

She may well be attracted to you but she is not that into you or she wouldn’t be using you as a side interest, sorry to be blunt. You don’t want your new running friendship group exploding because of a big romantic fall out that gets pinned on you.

Why don’t you join OLD. Obviously it’s hard work but finding someone you both like and are attracted to is a numbers game. It won’t happen with someone available unless you put yourself out there.