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Female opinions needed please: After many years of being single, I've met someone I really connect with, but there is a snag...

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NeatNectarine · 19/04/2023 18:14

For a bit of background I am a 43 year old male, no brothers or sisters, my mum died over 20 years ago, and there is just me and my dad, and he is 82 and despite being in good health in the grand scheme of things I know he won't be around much longer.

Whilst nearly all of my friends have gone on to get married/have kids/buy houses I have done none of that. I've spent a big part of my life single, no kids, living in the home I was born in (my dad lives with his partner). I never foresaw my life turning out this way, but it has.

I want to stress I am not unhappy, I am pretty positive and optimistic, have a good social life and a good group of friends, and I like to think I have looked after myself reasonably well, I am fit and healthy and (I hope) a decent human being.

I do find it hard to make a deep connection with someone, and I would rather be single for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. I have lots of female friends, but I reckon in the past 25 years I probably have only felt a real spark/connection with maybe three females.

One of them happened in January, and this is the crux of my story.

Back in November I joined a running club local to me. Just a one hour a week thing, but it has been good, it is a good group of people and I really enjoy it.

One of the first things I noticed the first time I went was that the female coach was really pretty. It was November and she was wrapped up in a big coat, hat, scarf, etc, but I could see she was very attractive (she is also a fair bit younger than me, there is a 12 year age difference).

Didn't think anything more of it, as being in a big group we didn't really get to know each other aside from a few words here and there.

A few weeks later I found out she is dating a friend of a friend. He is a guy who works for my friend's company and has done so for around a decade. I've met him maybe 10 to 15 times over that period and he is a nice guy.

Again didn't think any more of it.

Then things started to change in mid-January, both my running coach and her boyfriend (we will call her Rachel) were at our mutual friend's 40th birthday.

Rachel and I started talking and ended up chatting pretty much the entire evening. There was an immediate connection, we realised we shared a lot of the same thoughts and attitudes to life and had a lot in common.

The next morning I woke up and thought how much I had enjoyed talking to her the previous evening, when I heard the ping of a message on WhatsApp. It was Rachel saying how much she had enjoyed seeing me outside of running and how nice it had been to chat.

We swapped a few messages back and forth that day, then again a few days later, then probably within a week we were messaging every day, and that is how it has been since the end of January.

We message back and forth constantly on WhatsApp throughout the day. We've met up for coffees and walks and runs, she has come round to my house a few times to catch up and whenever we do spend time together she always messages me after saying how lovely it is.

The messages we swapped haven't crossed any boundaries, but we both have said we feel a connection, that we really enjoy each other's company and there was lots of light flirting, without either of us addressing the situation head on.

So last week she came round and I told her how I felt. I basically said I like her a lot, that initially it was just a physical attraction, but when I got to talk to her properly I realised it was much deeper than that and it has developed over the past few weeks/monts. For me it was more the chance to get the feelings off of my chest than look for answer.

At the time she said she liked me too, and that it was obvious how well we get on from how much we message and that it feels natural and we share a lot of the same thoughts and attitudes to life.

After she left she sent me a message saying she was sorry if she was a bit quiet when I told her I liked her, but she "didn't feel she was in a position to really say too much, but that I hoped I knew she thought I was wonderful".

A couple of days later she said she had been doing loads of thinking since my chat with her. She didn't say specifically what it was about, just that although she was always a great advocate for communication she knew sometimes in some situations she could be a bit closed. She said she had got herself into a messy situation when she was younger by being too honest, and maybe that was why.

If anything since I told her how I felt, our communication and flirting and has gone up a notch.

The one thing I noticed was if she wasn't interested in me in a romantic way she could easily have used the get-out and said she saw me just as a friend. Whilst she might not have wanted to do this in person, she could have done it via a message, but she never has, instead she said she was not in a position to say much.

For a bit of background information on her relationship. In 2021 she left her ex who she had been with for six years. Never talked to anyone about it, just turned up on her parent's doorstep one day and moved back in with them.

She met her current boyfriend fairly soon after I think, so they have probably been together around 18 months. He has a nice flat, but she lives at home with her parents not with him. She has never mentioned to me about moving in with him, but instead says she is saving up to buy her own place. They don't seem to spend a huge amount of time together, and he doesn't appear in any photos she posts on Instagram etc.

The only time she has mentioned her boyfriend to me was when she was talking about the cats she had with her ex and how she needed to find a new home for them. She said her current boyfriend wouldn't have them as he doesn't like cats, I jokingly replied "What??!" (I love cats), and she just replied with a red flag emoji.

Anyway, I feel silly posting something like this as a 43-year-old man, but I guess I'd just love to hear others opinions on it. Do I just leave this? Do I cut contact? Or do I pursue it?

Apologies for the long post.

TLDR: I am a 43 year old male. It is rare I meet a girl I really connect with, I did in January and we have been messaging back and forth constantly since and seen each other on a number of occasions. We both recognise the connection, but she has a boyfriend.

OP posts:
BadNomad · 20/04/2023 20:55

Step back and look at this with a detached eye.

Woman in a relationship gets told by another guy that he has feelings for her. Instead of shutting him down because she's in a relationship, or ending her relationship to pursue something with new guy, she stays in her relationship AND continues to message and flirt with the other guy.

That's the type of person she is. Dishonorable. Sneaky. Disloyal. Selfish.

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:07

Gosh. That's a lot of weight for you to infer @BadNomad . She might just be thinking what she wants. It doesn't make her dishonourable or sneaky or disloyal or selfish. From what we're told, she's in her early 30s, so old enough to decide what she wants, and to understand the situation, and she is free to choose between men. I hope she plays it nice and clean, but I am sure she understands the choice she's about to make.

BadNomad · 20/04/2023 21:10

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:07

Gosh. That's a lot of weight for you to infer @BadNomad . She might just be thinking what she wants. It doesn't make her dishonourable or sneaky or disloyal or selfish. From what we're told, she's in her early 30s, so old enough to decide what she wants, and to understand the situation, and she is free to choose between men. I hope she plays it nice and clean, but I am sure she understands the choice she's about to make.

You think her ramping up the flirting is her just thinking about what she wants?

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:13

As men are rarely brave enough to out themselves on MN, I feel (can't know) that NeatNectarine sounds reasonable enough to try lunch.

SpringleDingle · 20/04/2023 21:16

If you were a woman I’d say listen to “if he wanted to he would” on Spotify and then watch “he’s not that into you” on Netflix.

I guess the same applies: If she wanted you she’d do the decent thing and split for her boyfriend (as kindly as possible) and actively try to date you. The fact that she isn’t doing that means she is either not that into you or enjoys being a headfuck. In my experience you can never see a headfuck whilst it’s happening to you … you need a LOT of distance.

Step right back and see what happens. Give her chance to miss you. If you are lucky she’ll realise you are something special to her and she’ll ditch the current guy and come to you as a free agent. If that doesn’t happen try not let her real you back in for more headfuckery! Good luck 🤞

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:19

Straightforwardly, I really don't know how courtship goes these days. I have been with DH since the 80s, when you asked a chap you fancied if they wanted a bonk. If the earth moved (it did sometimes), you probably repeated the exercise.

SquirrelHash · 20/04/2023 21:22

She's a breadcrumber

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:25

But, on the other hand, in the 80s we were introduced, by my sister. He was a friend she thought I would get on well with. We did, and have been together almost 35 years.

BadNomad · 20/04/2023 21:30

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:25

But, on the other hand, in the 80s we were introduced, by my sister. He was a friend she thought I would get on well with. We did, and have been together almost 35 years.

And if someone he works with tells him she fancies him, will you be ok with him flirting with her behind your back? You won't see him as sneaky or disloyal?

Sandra1984 · 20/04/2023 21:35

You’ve been “friend zoned”, she likes the attention you give her and there’s a connection, but she has a boyfriend. If you’re happy to be friends only then continue as is, I don’t think she has any romantic interest in you honestly.

Redebs · 20/04/2023 21:40

I would never be able to trust someone incapable of fidelity. Total deal breaker.

When you start your new job, you'll likely meet new friends. How sad if you missed opportunities to meet someone who was perfect for you because you're still being strung along by someone else's girlfriend.

Bhyr358 · 20/04/2023 21:46

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:25

But, on the other hand, in the 80s we were introduced, by my sister. He was a friend she thought I would get on well with. We did, and have been together almost 35 years.

What a load of bollocks. You may have been "introduced" to your partner and You may have asked men you fancied if they fancied a bonk, but that's just specific to you. It doesn't relate to my experience or anyone I knew in the 80s. I met my husband when he came into the place I was working, and I never asked anyone if they fancied a bonk.

billy1966 · 20/04/2023 21:52

BadNomad · 20/04/2023 20:55

Step back and look at this with a detached eye.

Woman in a relationship gets told by another guy that he has feelings for her. Instead of shutting him down because she's in a relationship, or ending her relationship to pursue something with new guy, she stays in her relationship AND continues to message and flirt with the other guy.

That's the type of person she is. Dishonorable. Sneaky. Disloyal. Selfish.

Completely agree.

She is absolutely suiting herself and loving the attention.

She certainly isn't confused, she is enjoying being pursued.

She isn't into you, OR her boyfriend.

You are wasting your time.

She is a LOT younger than you and if she was my daughter I would be advising her to not get involved with such an age gap.

You do sound very nice.
Go back to OLD your peers.

SirChenjins · 21/04/2023 08:15

EffortlessDesmond · 20/04/2023 21:19

Straightforwardly, I really don't know how courtship goes these days. I have been with DH since the 80s, when you asked a chap you fancied if they wanted a bonk. If the earth moved (it did sometimes), you probably repeated the exercise.

I’m not sure how you dated in the 80s but it really wasn’t commonplace to ask a chap if they wanted a bonk in order to kickstart a long term relationship.

Sandra1984 · 21/04/2023 10:38

SirChenjins · 21/04/2023 08:15

I’m not sure how you dated in the 80s but it really wasn’t commonplace to ask a chap if they wanted a bonk in order to kickstart a long term relationship.

I dated throught the 80’s like mad (I’m in my 50’s) and asking a guy for a bonk was the worst way of getting into a long term thing, maybe that worked in the 60’s California with the hippie culture when everyone was shagging out everyone. Peace and love .Must have been fun times.

EustaceTheMonk · 21/04/2023 11:49

As one bloke to another. All is fair in love and war. Go for it.

SirChenjins · 21/04/2023 12:04

Sure, if you wanted a ons then asking for a bonk would have got you that. Are we talking about ons?

NeatNectarine · 21/04/2023 12:25

We went for a run together yesterday. We sometimes do this thing when we get back from a run, where we hold each others hands to compare how cold they are (I am sure I suffer from mild Raynauds and it was cold yesterday for mid to late April), but I guess really it is just another way of us flirting with each other.

Anyway, point taken from the consensus of these posts, that she likes the attention. I am scaling back contact, cutting back on the compliments, etc and generally going to take a step back.

Thanks everyone!

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AprilFool23 · 21/04/2023 12:40

I agree she's friend zoned you.

She likes the attention, validation, flirtation.

If she felt anything strong or certain, she's end the relationship with her bf and take the fairly obvious opportunities to get closer to you/start something up with you.

Date others

Best case scenario - that makes you less available and more desirable.

Worse case scenario - you have other opportunities if this never (likely) goes anywhere.

AiryFairy12 · 21/04/2023 13:04

She's such a prick tease

Ooolaaaala · 21/04/2023 13:27

Has this stirred a repressed need in you @NeatNectarine ?

She might be all wrong - but has this experience revealed anything to you about your own needs maybe for intimacy and a relationship?

Is that something you would explore or pursue or has this specific experience and the thread feedback just reconfirmed your fears of getting hurt through love and loss?

Sandra1984 · 21/04/2023 13:33

AiryFairy12 · 21/04/2023 13:04

She's such a prick tease

Quite misogynist (proof is "pussy tease" is not a word used when the contrary applies), If a guy offers you a friendship and you have some sort of connection why not take it? Unless you believe friendship between men and women is not possible. If the OP has "another agenda" in his mind that's his problem, not hers. Does she know the OP sees her as more than a friend? I don't know as I don't know her, she could be perfectly oblivious and believe all he wants is a running buddy.

CoffeeAndEnnui · 21/04/2023 13:42

OP, it sounds like you are ready to make a pragmatic choice and step away. That’s really good to hear. Hopefully, you can be grateful for the doors of potential this experience has opened in your head and use its lessons to reflect rather than feel resentment.

You said you and Rachel connected like the leads in Before Sunrise. I think this is quite a poignant and telling reference that speaks to your struggle to find forward motion in your life. Before Sunrise is an idealised look at the bond between a pair of twentysomethings and it is unquestionably a ‘90s classic. But there have been two subsequent films about their lives since (made at nine-year intervals) because time and these characters have moved on.

You are now the age of Jesse and Céline in Before Midnight. Perhaps that is something to sit with and a good way for you to process quite how much time has passed. It would be a shame to allow another nine years of your own life to go by without living it to its fullest.

NeatNectarine · 21/04/2023 13:43

Ooolaaaala · 21/04/2023 13:27

Has this stirred a repressed need in you @NeatNectarine ?

She might be all wrong - but has this experience revealed anything to you about your own needs maybe for intimacy and a relationship?

Is that something you would explore or pursue or has this specific experience and the thread feedback just reconfirmed your fears of getting hurt through love and loss?

I have no idea to be honest. I mean I am not worried about getting hurt through love and loss, that isn't something I have ever thought about.

I just wanted people's takes on the situation, and I have got them and it has been very useful.

OP posts:
NeatNectarine · 21/04/2023 13:44

Sandra1984 · 21/04/2023 13:33

Quite misogynist (proof is "pussy tease" is not a word used when the contrary applies), If a guy offers you a friendship and you have some sort of connection why not take it? Unless you believe friendship between men and women is not possible. If the OP has "another agenda" in his mind that's his problem, not hers. Does she know the OP sees her as more than a friend? I don't know as I don't know her, she could be perfectly oblivious and believe all he wants is a running buddy.

I did mention in my original post that I had told her how I feel.

OP posts: