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Internet date had a girlfriend for the past year

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FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 21:36

I haven’t posted for years so starting afresh with a new username.

I am very amicably divorced (3 years now) with two pre teen children. I started internet dating in late 2020 and learned a huge amount. The last time I dated was 20 years earlier!

The first guy I really clicked with cancelled our first date on the day, then the next day there was a further Covid lockdown. We messaged for 9 months and became very close but then he disappeared and it later transpired that he was gay.

I had a break from the apps then last January matched with a seemingly great guy. He was a similar age, similar profession. We had the same taste in music, films, art, etc. It was just great. I met him a month later and the first date was lovely and we got on very well and kissed. He was my first first date in about 20 years.

However, a few days later he explained he wasn’t sure about the chemistry. Fair enough. I was disappointed but I understood and appreciated his honesty. The night before our date he had been out with a female friend until 3am and was hungover. In retrospect I realise this was a woman he was pursuing.

Fast forward 3-4 weeks and he gets back in touch wanting a second chance. He felt like he didn’t give us a proper chance. I really liked him and thought we were great together on that first date so I agreed and we met for drinks. He was super keen and we had another wonderful evening. The next day I get another text to say he’s not feeling it.

This basically went on and off for most of 2022. We would have an incredible date and the better it was, the harder he would panic and freak out. He was seemingly inexperienced, never had a long term relationship before and I also suspected he had mild ASD. I was patient and gentle with him.

Then he tells me that he and his female friend have become ambiguous in their friendship and they want to give it a go. I was upset but stepped away, asking him not to contact me again. They broke up and he said he wanted to pursue a proper relationship with me. I was massively hesitant to even meet him but he was very sweet and I agreed. On the date he announces that we can be friends after all. I freak out because he’s led me on.

We didn’t see each other for several months but he got in touch because he had my ticket to a future event. We ended up being friends and I invited him to a party.

After Christmas he wanted to meet as friends, which we did. I was willing to be friends because I had never met anyone who I had so much in common with. He was like my twin. We had the same upbringing, same part of the country a few miles apart, same cultural references. I just loved his company so much. During that meal he made a huge pass at me and we had a wonderful romantic evening. I didn’t go back to his place despite him asking.

We met a week later and he was completely different. Very cool and jumpy.

I just couldn’t cope anymore. I blocked him on Whatsapp. He realised and phoned after a few days and was full of apologies. We agreed he would leave me alone. He didn’t. I then sent him a very firm text that said date me properly or never contact me again. About 1-2 weeks later he texted to say he was thinking about how he had behaved. Another week later he messaged to see how I am. Another week later he asks me out on a proper date but doesn’t confirm specific details.

This weekend he was replying in a slightly different way. I asked him for reassurance. He says he’s still sorting his life out. He then confesses that he has a girlfriend who I suspect he was seeing from the beginning. This is the friend who he was ambiguous with before.

Previously they broke up because he says he has this huge emotional connection to her but he doesn’t fancy her and he can’t get aroused by her. He says this is still all an issue but clearly he can’t seem to break up with her. He says it’s complicated and changing and he can’t date me because he’s with her.

I feel like such a fool. I have been wishing and hoping for a proper relationship with him for over a year. I’m wondering if he was actually with her all this time.

He has lied and cheated a lot.

My stupid heart still has feelings for him. I don’t know why I can’t stop caring about him and move on. I only found out yesterday. I’m so heartbroken and confused by the whole thing.

Any thoughts or advice welcome. There is loads more to it but I appreciate this is already long and I can answer if you have questions. Thank you.

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FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:30

What do you want to know from their social media? I think I know everything already. I can’t see any photos of them together on her Instagram. I can’t see much more than that without being their friends. But I know a lot about them both.

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Wallywobbles · 17/04/2023 22:32

I suspect if you read this thread in a year or two, assuming you've blocked this arse, you'd be embarrassed by how you've let him treat you and your crush on him despite (or because of) very poor behavior. Find some more self respect.

AchillesElbow · 17/04/2023 22:34

I suspect he’s feeding you a load of absolute horse shit. They don’t live together or have kids so there is no reason why he couldn’t be with you very easily if that’s what he wanted. He’s just putting up spurious barriers that honestly sound like total bollocks.

He is enjoying the status quo. He is not going to make any changes.

Catoo · 17/04/2023 22:34

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:26

Regarding his body not reacting… I think she’s not got the typical body for that kind of reaction. I’m trying not to sound unkind. I’m not perfect either.

Jesus

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:35

I’m sure she knows exactly what he’s like already.

Last summer during the period that it came to light that they were dating, he decided that he wanted to get to know one of her friends better so he “semi went behind her back and invited the friend for dinner” at his house. He was attracted to the friend. The friend clarified what is the status with my friend, I thought you were with her?? He said no that he didn’t fancy her and they’re just friends. This woman went back and told her friend what happened. He said he begged for forgiveness and then it blew over.

He once said to me “I never should have dated X because then I could have kept her as a friend and dated her friends instead”.

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FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:37

I think he is deeply attached to her. He clearly prefers her to me, despite not being physically able to have sex with her.

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ScorpioTwinkle1 · 17/04/2023 22:37

Ahh ok. I understood that you didn't know anything about her.

Please get out and block as soon as possible. Dont unblock him and ignore when he calls. I know its really hard bcos he promises you things and he is charming. It is a fake act. He is fake.
if they can spin such huge lies, it shows you they will lie about anything.Trust me I have been there.
But if you don't do it now, he will pull you in deeper and you will end up being a shell of your former self.
Block block block.
And continue Therapy.
Unfortunately these Assholes roam amongs us.

lamaze1 · 17/04/2023 22:38

If he liked you. I mean really liked you and wanted to be with you he wouldn't be doing this. You're stroking his ego and he is treating you like an option to fall back on. Block him and move on.

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:40

He has clearly chosen her. He’s not saying, I wish I could be with you instead. He’s saying he’s in a complex, complicated relationship that is changing (what does that mean??) and that he’s unsure about how he feels but that the sexual side isn’t there for him. He said he thinks she deserves someone who is more into her physically.

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Mochinated · 17/04/2023 22:43

The amount of drama is unreal.

OP why did you let that very first clutch of red flags fly by? None of this is normal. This is not a healthy relationship at all and you sound very vulnerable with zero boundaries. Can you access counselling for yourself to work out why you have engaged with this nonsense? It's a form of self harm.

samestyle · 17/04/2023 22:45

Red flags from the start, learn from this, don't keep giving multiple chances and expect a different outcome. You need to be much firmer in future, only allow a man that shows you by his actions and that he's consistently reliable should you ever be open to wanting a relationship. Start by binning this one for good.

redbigbananafeet · 17/04/2023 22:45

What a fucking ego this man has!

SecretSwirrel · 17/04/2023 22:46

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FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:46

ScorpioTwinkle1 · 17/04/2023 22:25

Mmmm. He seems to say an awful lot. So do manipulators. I doubt that he is Trauma bonded. Manipulators cannot be trauma bonded as they always have to be in control.
Check the Socials. It will tell you all you need to know. Report back your findings to us 🤣🤭 Don't ask him anymore questions. His words mean nothing.

He lies extraordinarily well. I have an amazing sixth sense, perception, intuition, EQ, whatever you want to call it. But I believed him every time he told me a lie. He would so vehemently be shocked and disgusted if I suggested him and her together. Once I encouraged him to give it a go with her and he was utterly repulsed. But I guess he wasn’t!
He went to one of the best universities in the world and has an incredible job. He’s very well spoken.

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Catoo · 17/04/2023 22:48

FFS OP!
He is having sex with her and I expect there is nothing wrong with her body. He probably can’t believe he’s told you all the crappy things he’s done behind her back, including having sex with you, told you all this BS about his body and her body, and you’re still into him.

What could he say that would finally make you move on? Is there anything?

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:48

Mochinated · 17/04/2023 22:43

The amount of drama is unreal.

OP why did you let that very first clutch of red flags fly by? None of this is normal. This is not a healthy relationship at all and you sound very vulnerable with zero boundaries. Can you access counselling for yourself to work out why you have engaged with this nonsense? It's a form of self harm.

I have had a lot of therapy and I think that I’m in a decent place now. I’m 80% there with my personal development. I understand why I put up with a lot of this and can relate it back.

If I ever have a relationship again, things will be different.

However, I’m not sure if I can trust again after this.

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Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/04/2023 22:51

He sounds a bit like my ex. Who also was ASD. He was madly in love, right up to the point where something new and shiny went by, whereupon he'd decide that he was now in love with that and the previous was 'just friends' and had never been right. Eventually the shine would wear off the new and he'd be unable to be with them, but he'd stick around until the next new and shiny came by. Whereupon he'd promptly transfer allegiance to her, and the previous person was (and in his head, always had been) 'just a friend'.

He was also a late starter, never dated as a young person and was very naive.

OP, this guy will never give you what you want. He might manage to be your boyfriend for a little while, but you'll soon be discarded for the lure of the brand new.

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:53

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Have you had experience of that too?

I suspect ASD for multiple reasons including the fact that he has low empathy, he seems to get overstimulated in noisy environments, he has very specific likes, he’s brutally honest and overshares, he struggles with change and loss (I wonder if this is why he is struggling to give her up), he had social problems in his youth, he has sleep issues and I suspect that he has a repetitive behaviour that could be classed as stimming (because it has marked his body).

What do you think?

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louderthan · 17/04/2023 22:53

'Quirky' 🙄🙄
He is a fuckboy. Please OP stop putting yourself through this. No good will come of it. Block, delete, forget.
If it helps you to talk it out here then that's good but please don't ever give him the time of day again.
He is fucking you about and treating you like less than nothing and is doing exactly the same thing to whoever this other woman is, girlfriend or friend or whatever.
He is a disrespectful cowardly piece of shit.

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:56

Catoo · 17/04/2023 22:48

FFS OP!
He is having sex with her and I expect there is nothing wrong with her body. He probably can’t believe he’s told you all the crappy things he’s done behind her back, including having sex with you, told you all this BS about his body and her body, and you’re still into him.

What could he say that would finally make you move on? Is there anything?

Him having a girlfriend is a deal breaker for me. He knows this. I think that’s why he kept it quiet. I think he sees other women, including her, who are more relaxed about that kind of thing. He still wanted to take me out after he confessed that he’s still working out his feelings for her yesterday. I said no. I said I’m not meeting him because he has a girlfriend.

Here I can weaken and let on that I still care but to his face, this is a line that I won’t cross.

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Summerfun54321 · 17/04/2023 22:57

I couldn't even finish reading your initial post. I was cringing too badly at the amount of chances you kept giving him when he was messing you around. No need to psychoanalyse him or his other relationships. Just block the fucker and move on.

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 22:58

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 17/04/2023 22:51

He sounds a bit like my ex. Who also was ASD. He was madly in love, right up to the point where something new and shiny went by, whereupon he'd decide that he was now in love with that and the previous was 'just friends' and had never been right. Eventually the shine would wear off the new and he'd be unable to be with them, but he'd stick around until the next new and shiny came by. Whereupon he'd promptly transfer allegiance to her, and the previous person was (and in his head, always had been) 'just a friend'.

He was also a late starter, never dated as a young person and was very naive.

OP, this guy will never give you what you want. He might manage to be your boyfriend for a little while, but you'll soon be discarded for the lure of the brand new.

Thank you. I can see how that could happen.

He appears to still be in touch with every woman he’s ever been involved with! Constantly texting all these people.

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AtrociousCircumstance · 17/04/2023 22:58

He rejected you right from the start. And then again and again and again. And you allowed it all.

Because he was your first date in so long you heavily projected magical qualities onto him. But he sounds like a pathetic, tedious little mess.

Do not waste your curiosity on him or his ex or whether he has asd characteristics or maybe he’s a narcissist or perhaps a quirky dreamboat with a broken wing 🙄 He’s just a bit of a toss pot who has been pissing on your time and energy.

Summerfun54321 · 17/04/2023 23:00

You thinking he has ASD is an insult to anyone with ASD. The man's just an arsehole, no other diagnosis needed.

FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 23:02

You’re right. He has wasted nearly 15 months of my life. I acknowledge that I let him do that and only I can stop it.

I treat people with kindness and respect and this experience has made me realise that not everyone does that. Several times I said to him, please leave me alone, this is too hard for me, please don’t contact me unless you want something genuine with me. He kept coming back anyway, toying with me. Presumably to feed his ego or something. My best friend says he’s an emotional vampire and he hates him.

I could have blocked him a long time ago but it really wasn’t in my nature and I would have found it stressful and distressing. I eventually blocked him on Whatsapp as a strong sign but he continued to contact me via phone and text.

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