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Internet date had a girlfriend for the past year

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FeelingSad99 · 17/04/2023 21:36

I haven’t posted for years so starting afresh with a new username.

I am very amicably divorced (3 years now) with two pre teen children. I started internet dating in late 2020 and learned a huge amount. The last time I dated was 20 years earlier!

The first guy I really clicked with cancelled our first date on the day, then the next day there was a further Covid lockdown. We messaged for 9 months and became very close but then he disappeared and it later transpired that he was gay.

I had a break from the apps then last January matched with a seemingly great guy. He was a similar age, similar profession. We had the same taste in music, films, art, etc. It was just great. I met him a month later and the first date was lovely and we got on very well and kissed. He was my first first date in about 20 years.

However, a few days later he explained he wasn’t sure about the chemistry. Fair enough. I was disappointed but I understood and appreciated his honesty. The night before our date he had been out with a female friend until 3am and was hungover. In retrospect I realise this was a woman he was pursuing.

Fast forward 3-4 weeks and he gets back in touch wanting a second chance. He felt like he didn’t give us a proper chance. I really liked him and thought we were great together on that first date so I agreed and we met for drinks. He was super keen and we had another wonderful evening. The next day I get another text to say he’s not feeling it.

This basically went on and off for most of 2022. We would have an incredible date and the better it was, the harder he would panic and freak out. He was seemingly inexperienced, never had a long term relationship before and I also suspected he had mild ASD. I was patient and gentle with him.

Then he tells me that he and his female friend have become ambiguous in their friendship and they want to give it a go. I was upset but stepped away, asking him not to contact me again. They broke up and he said he wanted to pursue a proper relationship with me. I was massively hesitant to even meet him but he was very sweet and I agreed. On the date he announces that we can be friends after all. I freak out because he’s led me on.

We didn’t see each other for several months but he got in touch because he had my ticket to a future event. We ended up being friends and I invited him to a party.

After Christmas he wanted to meet as friends, which we did. I was willing to be friends because I had never met anyone who I had so much in common with. He was like my twin. We had the same upbringing, same part of the country a few miles apart, same cultural references. I just loved his company so much. During that meal he made a huge pass at me and we had a wonderful romantic evening. I didn’t go back to his place despite him asking.

We met a week later and he was completely different. Very cool and jumpy.

I just couldn’t cope anymore. I blocked him on Whatsapp. He realised and phoned after a few days and was full of apologies. We agreed he would leave me alone. He didn’t. I then sent him a very firm text that said date me properly or never contact me again. About 1-2 weeks later he texted to say he was thinking about how he had behaved. Another week later he messaged to see how I am. Another week later he asks me out on a proper date but doesn’t confirm specific details.

This weekend he was replying in a slightly different way. I asked him for reassurance. He says he’s still sorting his life out. He then confesses that he has a girlfriend who I suspect he was seeing from the beginning. This is the friend who he was ambiguous with before.

Previously they broke up because he says he has this huge emotional connection to her but he doesn’t fancy her and he can’t get aroused by her. He says this is still all an issue but clearly he can’t seem to break up with her. He says it’s complicated and changing and he can’t date me because he’s with her.

I feel like such a fool. I have been wishing and hoping for a proper relationship with him for over a year. I’m wondering if he was actually with her all this time.

He has lied and cheated a lot.

My stupid heart still has feelings for him. I don’t know why I can’t stop caring about him and move on. I only found out yesterday. I’m so heartbroken and confused by the whole thing.

Any thoughts or advice welcome. There is loads more to it but I appreciate this is already long and I can answer if you have questions. Thank you.

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AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 10:57

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 10:54

I wished him happiness with her. He responded by saying it’s a complex situation that he’s trying to resolve. I don’t know what that means.

He's making it complex, because he's a mess.

Things are simple when you choose ymto make them simple and act with integrity towards yourself and others.

He sounds like a flaky, naval gazer special snowflake.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 10:58

AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 10:53

I think she’s not got the typical body for that kind of reaction.

Given men can be attracted to anything from plus size to very thin, I'm not sure what you mean there.

If he says he's not personally attracted to this woman ... yet somehow is still involved with her a year later; he's lying or physical attraction isn't all that important to him for a relationship. Or he's gay.

Most men don't waste time on women they're not physically attracted to.

She used to be morbidly obese but I don’t think she is anymore. He said he can’t get aroused by her. Maybe he’s lying. He has gone into detail about it with me but maybe that’s a lie too.

With me he gets insanely aroused.

His girlfriend before her he was with for about 3 years on and off. They lived together for a while and only had sex about 3 times in the whole relationship. Again he said it was because he loved her as a person but didn’t fancy her. He said he really really tried to convince himself that he fancied her while apart because they were an ideal match intellectually. But in the flesh it was a disaster.

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AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 10:59

Can you imagine how she'd feel if she saw any of the things he's says about her?

If I had any of them written - I'd send them to her.

He's treating any women he's got on the go like complete shite.

TheInterceptor · 18/04/2023 11:01

Oh, OP. How old are you?

AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 11:01

With me he gets insanely aroused.

You only have his word.

And he's a proven liar.

Even if he's telling the truth about it; he's not with you, he's been fucking you around for a year ....so it doesn't matter.

It's clearly not important to him.

Or he's messed up psychologically.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:03

AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 10:59

Can you imagine how she'd feel if she saw any of the things he's says about her?

If I had any of them written - I'd send them to her.

He's treating any women he's got on the go like complete shite.

I think she would forgive him. She forgave him when he went behind her back to try and date her friend. He said he thinks she must have really low self esteem.

I think he’s now rewriting history as if they have some kind of unorthodox relationship. I recently told him about an ethically non monogamous couple and he was horrified and said he would never want that. Yet he has this relationship with her in which he gets his emotional fix and then goes out and has sex with others which he says she doesn’t mind. I suspect she does mind but realises that she would lose him if she put her foot down.

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chiefschiefschiefs · 18/04/2023 11:04

Ew OP. Listen to yourself.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:04

TheInterceptor · 18/04/2023 11:01

Oh, OP. How old are you?

Mid 40s

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FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:06

I’m giving myself yesterday and today to process all the emotions, feel the hurt, grieve, etc. Then tomorrow I’m going to make a concerted effort to move on. I just needed this time to wallow in the news.

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chiefschiefschiefs · 18/04/2023 11:07

Good! Hopefully the wallowing is temporary.

I actually felt nauseous reading some of the stuff he's said to you! Blergh.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:08

chiefschiefschiefs · 18/04/2023 11:07

Good! Hopefully the wallowing is temporary.

I actually felt nauseous reading some of the stuff he's said to you! Blergh.

Ha! I’m sorry Chiefs

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HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:09

He’s a liar. He has demonstrated he is happy to lie to get what he wants. He has lied to you and to others.

He is a cheat, a liar, this may stem from low self esteem (unpopular in his earlier years- late starter you said). It may be because he’s a common garden arsehole.

He puts himself first. He has no self control. His wants and needs are put first. He has no respect for others. He is prepared to spread stds and not let others consent to monogamy. This isn’t a problem if you are honest and upfront - why wasn’t he - oh because he puts himself first.

Of course he’s shagging her. Of course he can get an erection. What he means is ‘I like and deserve a variety of sex with many different women’ but my girlfriend (semi famous helps his self esteem) can remain faithful. Didn’t fancy her- so let her go find a nice chap who does then!

Kick him to the curb. In fact ghost him or laugh at him next time he calls you.

HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:12

Just read your update. Happy to be non monogamous but not allowing his girlfriend to do the same. Surprise surprise.

He has low self esteem never mind his poor girlfriend. He needs constant stroking and validation from women - tedious. He doesn’t agree with informed consent yet expects his partner to be faithful.

Open a bottle of bubbly and be glad you are free of this toad.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:14

@HappiestPenguin
That all sounds very accurate. I wonder why he would go into such specific detail about things if he really is having sex with her. He also told me that he’s had sex less than 10 times in the last 3 years. I know enough to know that when he said he only had sex with her once that the numbers tally.

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FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:15

HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:12

Just read your update. Happy to be non monogamous but not allowing his girlfriend to do the same. Surprise surprise.

He has low self esteem never mind his poor girlfriend. He needs constant stroking and validation from women - tedious. He doesn’t agree with informed consent yet expects his partner to be faithful.

Open a bottle of bubbly and be glad you are free of this toad.

He was implying that he didn’t want to be in a non monogamous relationship himself. He wasn’t forbidding it of someone else.

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HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:18

He is in a non monogamous relationship. He just won’t tell his partner. And therefore won’t allow her the same privilege.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:19

I looked back at my conversation with him. I told him about a non monogamous couple and he said he found the set up bizarre. That’s all he said. So that gave me the impression that it wasn’t for him.

He also tells me he wants a wife and baby. Although one day he did ask me how spouses stay faithful. I explained that they may be attracted to others but they weigh up what they stand to gain vs lose and then hopefully choose fidelity.

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HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:19

If she catches him cheating he may use the ‘oh it meant nothing I tried to have sex with her but I couldn’t get an erection’ line.

Honestly you have had a lucky escape here.

Beaverbridge · 18/04/2023 11:19

Hes an arse. Block on everything.

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:20

HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:18

He is in a non monogamous relationship. He just won’t tell his partner. And therefore won’t allow her the same privilege.

He says she knows that he has slept with other people and it’s just a physical thing. That she would only care about emotional infidelity.

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FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:22

The whole situation is complicated by the fact that she’s here on a visa which expires next summer unless she marries someone. He is devoted to her emotionally so perhaps he will marry her so she can stay. He considered doing this with his ex but eventually decided against it because she had some other major issues.

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HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:23

I think staying faithful is an active choice. I won’t drink anything if I’m driving - it’s my own invisible line. A boundary. I know I can cross it but I choose not to. To me being faithful is the same. A boundary I choose not to cross. I have control.

I said to myself and others I would be faithful to my husband and I am proud of that decision. It has nothing to do with my husband, it’s everything to do with me.

AprilFool23 · 18/04/2023 11:24

FeelingSad99 · 18/04/2023 11:20

He says she knows that he has slept with other people and it’s just a physical thing. That she would only care about emotional infidelity.

They have a deeply unhealthy, dysfunctional relationship.

He also has a deeply dysfunctional, unhealthy, unfair involvement with you.

He may have similar with other women.

Who's the common denominator?

HappiestPenguin · 18/04/2023 11:26

Do you think telling you all these things about her is remaining emotionally committed to her? He even crosses his own ridiculous boundaries.

He is a proven liar - take his words with a pinch of salt.

WTFJanice · 18/04/2023 11:31

You're giving this way too much headspace for something that'll be absolutely mortifying to contemplate in a year's time. Speaking from bitter experience.

There's no point trying to 'understand' this man when it seems - to outsiders - as if you're actually trying to find reasons to carry on your involvement, rather than close it down. He's not the only bloke out there that you can have hot sex and Camus seminars with. But you definitely won't meet them while you're wasting time on this.