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Are affairs common ?

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Livelifelaughter · 21/03/2023 10:16

My bf told me very early on in our relationship that he had a dysfunctional marriage with no sex or emotional intimacy for 15 plus years. He had affairs and ended the marriage when his children left home. He is highly educated, successful and attractive. He has a group of male friends who he has know for over 25 years, he tells me that most have had affairs too and some simply because they wanted some novelty others because they had stayed in broken marriages for the sake of their children.

He also said that the women involved with him were married as well.

I find him completely trust worthy and he tells me if he's meeting a female friend etc. But my question is, how common are affairs? Maybe I live in a conservative bubble where this is just the stuff movies ?

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LooseGoose22 · 21/03/2023 13:22

I wouldn't be making him my only boyfriend, I'm afraid.

He should be ok with polygamy, since he's practised it on his unknowing wife for years.

QueenBee1234 · 21/03/2023 13:22

Probably more common than people like to think.
For everyone that does get caught there will be many more that get away with it.
I always do an inward eye roll when people confidently proclaim their husband hasn't cheated/wouldn't cheat......not necessarily, it just means you have never caught them.

CrotchetyQuaver · 21/03/2023 13:39

I think is probably pretty common. As it's "secret" many may suspect something going on with people they know, but often there's no hard evidence.

SecretsIWouldNeverTell · 21/03/2023 14:04

I've actually named changed for this LONG post. Been married 30 years now. Both in our mid 50s.

About 20 years ago and after 10 years of marriage and 13 years together and with 2 primary age children, my husband (who had mood swings and was arsey with me for no reason some days anyway,) had an affair. He suddenly started to go very distant on me, didn't want sex, and seemed to be constantly messaging, emailing back and forth, and talking on the phone two or three times a week to a woman at work. I'll call her Caz.

She had a partner she'd been with for 10 years (no kids) and she was really unhappy with him, and my husband was being the 'knight in shining armour,' and 'a shoulder to cry on,' and was spending lunchtimes with her 'consoling her' and even though he finished work at 4.30pm (and so did she) he would often not come home til 6.30pm. And his phone was always switched off. I kept saying 'I'm really fed up with the amount contact you're having with her.' He said 'she needs me as I am her friend. I'm supporting her...' Hmm

Long story short. About three or four months after I first became disturbed about the amount of contact (and about six months after he first started 'consoling' her,) a message popped up on our joint computer from her on his email. He had gone to the loo and left his emails open. It went BONG, and yes I did look. It was from 'Caz' and she said 'thank you so much for last night, and being with me, it meant so much to me. You mean the world to me, and I'm going to go to sleep dreaming of you. Nobody has ever made love to me like you did. I think the absolute world of you, darling.' I felt like my whole world had crashed and burnt, and went completely cold, and felt like I was going to be sick.

He came downstairs, and I went absolutely batshit. I confronted him straight away and I said 'you have fucked her, you fucking bastard pig!' And he hung his head down, and said 'yes, we have had sex three times. And yes to last night. I said I was working but I was with her in her car.' (That's where they fucked-classy.)

And I said, 'do you love her?' He said. 'I don't love her, but she needed me.' HmmIt's not going to happen again. And I won't be seeing her again. I regret it and will end it.' I said 'of course you will see her again, you bloody work with her.' I said. 'You or her are going to have to get another job.' And he said 'I'm not getting another job and I doubt she will leave either.'

So, I said 'well then. You're going to be looking divorce papers in the face in the next few weeks, because there's no way we can go on after this, and with you working with HER still. I don't believe you will end it. You are a liar and a cheat.' He just sighed...... Also. I knew her phone number because it was on the itemised bill, so I said I'm going to ring her partner and tell him that you've been fucking HIS partner.' He actually blocked my way and STOPPED ME using the phone to stop me telling her partner..., he said. 'I'm not having her hurt, and will not let you harm her in any way.'

So it seemed like he was really concerned about her being hurt, and that absolutely fucking devastated me. She (and my husband) had dropped a bomb on MY life, but I was not allowed to do the same to her?! Confused

Anyway, when he realised I was going to definitely divorce him, and was about to start the process, he was suddenly very contrite and very sorry and absolutely devastated... He went to the doctor and got four weeks off on the sick with stress, because he said he can't face her and he doesn't want to see her again and he will look for another job. He heard after three weeks off that she'd actually left. She'd been there for about a year. She's only 31, so it wasn't too hard for her to get another job.

He wanted to start again, but at that point I was so angry that he'd been with another woman. Being emotionally connected with her, knowing I was suspicious and upset, and then having sex with her, and then practically knocking me over to stop me from telling her partner. So I was done. I said 'I don't think I WANT to try and make it work.'

At this point (a few weeks after,) I really hated him, and I actually went online and went on to contact sites to find different men to hook up with. I thought 'you're not the only one who can fuck other people whilst married...' I didn't want to try and make it work with him at that point. I met about six or seven different men over about three months and has sex with three of them. One of them, about five or six times. He knew it was going on and he was devastated I was doing this to him. I thought 'it was alright for you to do it to me though.'

Anyway, long story short. I stopped after a few months and he seemed so devastated our marriage is apparently over, and he really wants to make it work. So we gave it another go. About seven or eight months down the line, we renewed our marriage vows.

This was about 19 years ago. And he was a completely different man after that. He treated me so much better than he did for the first ten years of our marriage, when he was quite cold and distant quite often... And if I said the 'wrong thing' he would go silent on me for a day or have a go at me. AND he kept all his extra money/overtime money to himself. He earned more than me because I was part time because of the children, and I often had nothing at the end of the month after paying 'my share' towards the bills, whilst he had 100s left. Since all this happened, (and we renewed our vows,) the last 19 years have been happiest marriage I could possibly wish for.

It was devastating at the time though, and I have never felt pain like it. He felt the same pain and anguish when I was fucking other men. Not ideal, but we worked it out in the end. I believe most people have affairs, but yeah, they are very damaging, and I don't know why they do it. My husband never said why, but mine was revenge. I know not healthy or ideal, but it's done now, and we are really happy. Yes, we really are...... Smile

BigFatLiar · 21/03/2023 14:15

It's common on mumsnet but then it is a place where people with issues tend to go. I've seen places in real life where it was rife at work but outside work know of few who have been involved. Most of the people I know (both male and fdmale) think it's a shitty thing to do.

Notadramallama · 21/03/2023 14:28

27penny · 21/03/2023 11:48

Do any of you follow Paul C Brunson, he's from Married at First Sight.. he reckons 80% of women fall in love with their affair partner and that when women have affairs it actually results in them being better at partner selection.. interesting stuff. Also not sure about men trading down... despite the morality around affairs it seems unreasonable to say that every man that has affairs chooses someone of a lesser standard than their current wife/partner.. isn't everyone on the planet meant to have something to offer and be special in their own way. Its sounds like something some wronged wives came up with

perhaps the affair partner is a lesser person because the betrayed spouse isn't a liar and a cheat?

WidthofaLine · 21/03/2023 14:44

ChangedmynameagainforChristmas · 21/03/2023 11:32

I don't know how common affairs are but I do know about Leopards and spots OP

I agree sounds like he's using a different tact for preparing or pacifying you.

Why are you even having this conversation with him, is it because you too were one of his affair partners ?
And think that if you are aware of his character that he will tell you the truth.

He's telling you who he is and who he will always be.
He's a liar and a self entitled cheat.

No ones going to be happy with him.
What's up op ? Are you starting to feel a little insecure, I wonder why.

WalkingThroughTreacle · 21/03/2023 14:46

"I find him completely trust worthy...."

Why exactly? He's confessed to being a serial cheat and liar who considers such behaviour acceptable. How low does somebody have to go before you consider them untrustworthy?

"part of me wondered why he told me but I think he just wanted to be honest....".

I think he probably wants to set your expectations. He's basically told you that if you don't satisfy his wants he will cheat on you. He clearly has never had a problem with being dishonest before so why would you think honesty was suddenly so important to him now?

I think you are setting yourself up for a fall here but I don't expect you to want to listen to that. Seems like you've already made your mind up and are just looking for validation.

Livelifelaughter · 21/03/2023 14:58

WalkingThroughTreacle · 21/03/2023 14:46

"I find him completely trust worthy...."

Why exactly? He's confessed to being a serial cheat and liar who considers such behaviour acceptable. How low does somebody have to go before you consider them untrustworthy?

"part of me wondered why he told me but I think he just wanted to be honest....".

I think he probably wants to set your expectations. He's basically told you that if you don't satisfy his wants he will cheat on you. He clearly has never had a problem with being dishonest before so why would you think honesty was suddenly so important to him now?

I think you are setting yourself up for a fall here but I don't expect you to want to listen to that. Seems like you've already made your mind up and are just looking for validation.

I think to that people do change and learn in relationships. He told me because he didn't want secrets in our relationship.
So I find him trustworthy because I know what's going on in his life and he is always available.

I think if you're unhappy in a relationship with no children you'd end it rather than have an affair.

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Livelifelaughter · 21/03/2023 15:04

WidthofaLine · 21/03/2023 14:44

I agree sounds like he's using a different tact for preparing or pacifying you.

Why are you even having this conversation with him, is it because you too were one of his affair partners ?
And think that if you are aware of his character that he will tell you the truth.

He's telling you who he is and who he will always be.
He's a liar and a self entitled cheat.

No ones going to be happy with him.
What's up op ? Are you starting to feel a little insecure, I wonder why.

Good old MN...

No, I was not one of his affair partners.

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roundofapplause · 21/03/2023 15:05

27penny · 21/03/2023 11:48

Do any of you follow Paul C Brunson, he's from Married at First Sight.. he reckons 80% of women fall in love with their affair partner and that when women have affairs it actually results in them being better at partner selection.. interesting stuff. Also not sure about men trading down... despite the morality around affairs it seems unreasonable to say that every man that has affairs chooses someone of a lesser standard than their current wife/partner.. isn't everyone on the planet meant to have something to offer and be special in their own way. Its sounds like something some wronged wives came up with

I disagree. My ex cheated and it was a downgrade in every sense. My self esteem would have been much better if he'd cheated with someone who was stunningly beautiful inside and out. At least then I'd get it. Just my opinion but it feels worse being left for the OW who isn't attractive in the slightest, has loose morals and can walk out on her own 3 children.

We were perfect in every sense, or so I thought. No arguments, lots of sex, lots of money. No worries. We were very lucky. Thankfully therapy made me realise that it wasn't my fault. That said, it would be better if she looked like Gigi Hadid!

Loonylooops · 21/03/2023 15:07

I think it's very common and complicated. It doesn't make people bad people. We over simplify life and monogamy is difficult.

Livelifelaughter · 21/03/2023 15:08

Avarua2 · 21/03/2023 12:37

This

He's told you who he is. Believe him.

The point about his friends is that they met at University so before they were all married or in relationships they weren't brought together because of infidelity.

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27penny · 21/03/2023 15:17

roundofapplause · 21/03/2023 15:05

I disagree. My ex cheated and it was a downgrade in every sense. My self esteem would have been much better if he'd cheated with someone who was stunningly beautiful inside and out. At least then I'd get it. Just my opinion but it feels worse being left for the OW who isn't attractive in the slightest, has loose morals and can walk out on her own 3 children.

We were perfect in every sense, or so I thought. No arguments, lots of sex, lots of money. No worries. We were very lucky. Thankfully therapy made me realise that it wasn't my fault. That said, it would be better if she looked like Gigi Hadid!

She wasn't attractive in your opinion... she could be a really good person. Or a better match for him? Of course it wasn't your fault but your relationship couldn't have been perfect in every sense either

ReneBumsWombats · 21/03/2023 15:18

A lifetime of fidelity and sexual exclusivity to only one person is just not possible sadly with all the temptations and opportunities modern society presents us with.

Of course it's possible.

27penny · 21/03/2023 15:19

Notadramallama · 21/03/2023 14:28

perhaps the affair partner is a lesser person because the betrayed spouse isn't a liar and a cheat?

The spouse betraying is the liar and the cheat. That doesn't mean the OW was a lesser person. I wonder do women also affair down then or is it just men..

StopStartStop · 21/03/2023 15:19

I find him completely trust worthy

Erm...

coffeeschmoffee · 21/03/2023 15:21

Loonylooops · 21/03/2023 15:07

I think it's very common and complicated. It doesn't make people bad people. We over simplify life and monogamy is difficult.

This.

Also the majority of people who have affairs don't tell anyone surely?!

So i don't know why some posters are saying "oh it doesn't happen in my circles". It quite probably does, just no-one has told you about it! If you don't want to get found out then you don't tell people.

Architectahoy · 21/03/2023 15:22

I think its normal. Sadly

I even know vicars who have had affairs. They are quite happy to say " it's non of God's business" 😂

uhOhOP · 21/03/2023 15:23

Loonylooops · 21/03/2023 15:07

I think it's very common and complicated. It doesn't make people bad people. We over simplify life and monogamy is difficult.

Why not end the relationship before starting a new one? Cowardice, surely?

Maybe those who lie and cheat and gaslight are not bad people at their core, but when you've had the misfortune of being lied to and cheated on by somebody, and gaslighted about the affair you know they're having, it's hard to not think of them as a bad person.

CantAskAnyoneElse · 21/03/2023 15:25

ReneBumsWombats · 21/03/2023 15:18

A lifetime of fidelity and sexual exclusivity to only one person is just not possible sadly with all the temptations and opportunities modern society presents us with.

Of course it's possible.

How many people have had ’only’ one partner?
Monogamy is so rare, that it’s pretty much non-existent.

Livelifelaughter · 21/03/2023 15:30

coffeeschmoffee · 21/03/2023 15:21

This.

Also the majority of people who have affairs don't tell anyone surely?!

So i don't know why some posters are saying "oh it doesn't happen in my circles". It quite probably does, just no-one has told you about it! If you don't want to get found out then you don't tell people.

A very close friend of mine had a relationship with a married man, told me 20 years later. So yes, generally they don't go around telling people.
Also, partners don't always want to even find out because they would need to confront the issue.

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CantAskAnyoneElse · 21/03/2023 15:30

uhOhOP · 21/03/2023 15:23

Why not end the relationship before starting a new one? Cowardice, surely?

Maybe those who lie and cheat and gaslight are not bad people at their core, but when you've had the misfortune of being lied to and cheated on by somebody, and gaslighted about the affair you know they're having, it's hard to not think of them as a bad person.

Many, most people are afraid of being alone.
Or can afford being single/living alone/don’t want house share.

We’re still raised to believe that being single is less than - being a cheater or in non-happy relationship is better than being a single.
There’s so much stigma being single, still.

To many there is enough to remain, until ”better” comes along.
At least some sex, sharing bills, not having to be alone, social status, being ”normal” in everyone else’s eyes, chores done etc…
Then someone new shows up and brain loves shiny new things and potential new life or whatever.

Most people’s loyalty is as strong as opportunities.

ReneBumsWombats · 21/03/2023 15:30

CantAskAnyoneElse · 21/03/2023 15:25

How many people have had ’only’ one partner?
Monogamy is so rare, that it’s pretty much non-existent.

One partner their entire life, not many, but that's not what monogamy means. Serial monogamy is pretty common and most people have a dedicated life partner for a significant amount of time. Many cheat, of course they do, but not everybody. How many heartbroken people do we get on here who didn't cheat even though their partners did?

To say that monogamy is actually impossible is ridiculous and effectively accuses everyone who does it of being a liar. If you don't want to live monogamously, by all means have an ethically polygamous life and all power to you. But don't pretend that monogamy is actually not humanly possible. Plainly it is.

TomeTome · 21/03/2023 15:31

I find it an utterly odd and weird thing to do. I can’t imagine lying to your partner and having sex with someone else is something commonplace among my friends/family. Adults end an exclusive relationship if they no longer want exclusivity surely?

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