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DH messaged OW. Can't decide whether to say I have crossed lines too.

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daughterof · 20/02/2023 08:37

My DH and i have been together 15 years with young children, we have a business together and other ties.

He works away as part of our family business. He lets me use his phone freely. When I used it, there was a message in the scroll down bit. He had been messaging a woman about chipping in for renting a flat for an adult party and other things. No sexting, no pic exchange, but asking her about the event which had been cancelled amongtst othet things, saying he was planning to go. I have never had reason to think he has cheated on me before and he is the last man I would expect too. We have had very rocky times but solid for a while now and I love him.

He deleted the chat platform on his own volition and I have sneaked a look at his phone, he doesn't have anything in other chat platforms or the woman as a contact. We have an ongoing stressful situation and he said he is not thinking straight and just sent messages as one off. I messaged the woman, she confirmed no meeting and sent me copy of conversation history too, there are barely any messages.

I don't know how I feel moving forward. We have talked lots and he is very sad and ashamed. My gut feeling is I don't know how but i want the marriage to work. But I am worried as he has the opportunity if he wants to.

But. Last year across a few months, I formed an connection with a man. Nothing ever happened, no physical contact, no dates, no sexting, no pics. We happened to meet at a hobby I do and we fancied each other, we swapped no's and we sent friendly brief texts sometimes. He became frustrated I wouldn't have an affair with him but i said no as we were both married with children and even though things rocky with DH at thag point, I just couldn't do that to him/our family. He no longer attends the hobvy and we haven't messaged for months.

Now I know what DH has done, I feel so guilty and want to tell him what i did. But I am scared it will push him into pursuing another woman.

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Seadad · 23/02/2023 21:11

I'm really sorry @daughterof x
I think you both now need to put your cards on the table.
You need to discover who both of you really are.
Every fantasy of escape is chained by the reality of our lives.

daughterof · 25/02/2023 07:37

Just to update

He came home last night after week away and I showed him print outs of the 2 profiles and said explain from here.

He admitted to the profile without picture on the swinging site being him. I made a fake profile and messaged him and he has deleted the whole site. He said he was going to delete it anyway as he has realised he doesn't want to be doing it and he shouldn'thave been. He maintains, and swore on our children's lives, that he went on it for kicks and escapism looking at women's profiles and didn't meet anyone, said he did message a bit but no meets.

He is maintaining that the fetish site profile isn't him but says he is shocked how much the man looks lile him (picture shows a man from nostrils down to neck). Thing is is don't know. The guy has a mole on the neck i same place, same beard, same lips. But nose is really different like narrower and whole pic is slimmer so no idea if it's him but the picture has uploaded like that.

Ive messaged the prostitute who told me about the sites she advertised the gangbang on, asking if she can tell me if the two profiles are both him, the Discord one and the fetlife one. As if he saw the events on fetlife, he would've needed to dm her on fetlife for her to give him the invite on Discord.

I made it really clear that if its him on fetlife, the kinks are not an issue for me, i am very openminded sexually, but its if he has met anyone. So no idea if huge coincidence and he's telling the truth, or he has met up and now covering

My mum has our children this afternoon so I am going to make him show me all his bank statments online, and poss credit cards, as we have totally separate finances... so if that is his Fetlife profile, that user has had a paying membership to be able to watch videos, so that would be on a bank or credit statement of his somewhere. I don't know how Fetlife is displayed on a direct debit

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TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:26

Ive messaged the prostitute who told me about the sites she advertised the gangbang on, asking if she can tell me if the two profiles are both him

I know you have noone else to try to get the truth from, but ateotd that woman has zero reason to tell you everything. And plenty of reason not to. Prostitutes who.divilge information about punters and swingers who tell all on fellow swingers do not fare well in either that industry or that community.

If there's any way whatsoever to review her, he could leave a review saying she blabs.

If she's in that community, she would not want to be known as the woman who blabs to Jen's wives (let's face it, lots of men on that community are not being upfront with their partners)

In general ppl just don't want to get involved and want to say something diplomatic, if they say anything at all.

I know she responded below a d attached a msg thread, but you don't know if she's been completely honest. Abd you don't know if that's the only communication they've had

I don't think you can rely on her responses as being absolutely truthful and comprehensive.

TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:27

*before

TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:29

He maintains, and swore on our children's lives

Sorry to say this, but that seems to be in the cheater narrative .... It crops up again and again on here, and the swearing ends up being lying if the poster had the opportunity to find full information.

TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:31

Every fantasy of escape is chained by the reality of our lives.

Someone nominate him for poet laureate.

TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:31

Unfortunately fantasy ends up not being fantasy in these situations.

TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:33

Even if he truly has never done anything in person (which you might never know); you don't have to tolerate a husband who's on every swinging, fetish, dogging etc forum and site going, interacting with others about sex.

TicketBoo23 · 25/02/2023 08:35

The guy has a mole on the neck i same place, same beard, same lips. But nose is really different like narrower and whole pic is slimmer so no idea if it's him but the picture has uploaded like that.

It could be how it is displayed on the site. He could have put a filter on it etc.

daughterof · 25/02/2023 10:49

Thanks @TicketBoo23

I don't have any worries about being single. I love him though. And if we split, unless I let him stay here in our house at weekends, he would be unaable to see our children. He rents an annexe where he works as it is 3hr drive away. He has no family where we live and no friends who could accomodate him, and we wouldnt be able to pay a hotel room, flat or anything... so either way, if I separate, from him, if I want our children to see him, he will need to be herre at weekends.

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AdamRyan · 25/02/2023 15:59

Good luck this afternoon op. Its probably worth reflecting on what would be a deal breaker for you.

For me the realisation my exH could and would lie to my face was what killed the marriage, not the money etc.

I stayed for a long time after I found out and i wish I hasn't because the trust was totally gone. And needless to say he didn't stop. He just got better at covering his tracks.

MeinKraft · 26/02/2023 00:14

Yeah I think at this stage being without him would be pretty good tbh.

daughterof · 26/02/2023 13:35

Thanks for replies

So it is categorically not him on the 2nd site, the fetish one. As the person whose profile that is was online liking many photos, which are time stamped, and during that period he was with me and our chidlren, he cooked, we ate and did bedtime, and he didn't have his phone in the same room or leave my side.

I told him a few days ago about the OM, on the night I confronted him with online profiles. He was really sad , but also said he hasn't got a leg to stand on, but asked lots about how it happened and how I was feeling towards him when it started up.

He is very close to tears when we talk in evenings when children asleep and has said it is a big wakeup call for him and he doesn't want to lose me but he is giving me space to decide what I want to do.

For me physically cheating would be the dealbreaker, and although I only have his word, he seems genuinely gutted and keeps saying how ashamed and embarrassed he is and that he has acted terribly. He said it was escapism and titilation when we've been under stress and he wasn't going to act on it.

Also, keeping fully in mind that although not online, I've lied to him and crossed lines here too, which he was very shocked about as he hadn't suspected anything.

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daughterof · 26/02/2023 13:36

He let me see bank statements and there was nothing dodgy there, he said yes to loling at cards too but I didn't

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TicketBoo23 · 26/02/2023 14:47

He said it was escapism and titilation when we've been under stress and he wasn't going to act on it..

But you said this dogging and sex party convo etc happened recently while you were on good terms, have had an active sex life and he's been encouraging you to TTC another child.

TicketBoo23 · 26/02/2023 14:50

I'm not trying to get negative op and your decisions in your relationship and life are obviously entirely yours, I'm just pointing out the disconnect between what he's blaming and how things have been (and the fact he's encouraging you to put, arguably, more pressure and stress on the relationship.

daughterof · 26/02/2023 14:52

Yes true, I've asked him too

He keeps saying he has been really stupid

Stress currently is we are on point of bankruptcy if creditors dont approve plan

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