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An inheritance one - and it's long!

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anotherNameJustForThis · 06/01/2023 10:38

This is an inheritance one. It’s something that I’m not comfortable discussing in person and I’m of the view that no one is entitled to an inheritance and my DM could leave everything she has to anyone and I have no say in that.

However, DM is not of that view. Over the years, she has spoken to me about my inheritance. Whenever she does, I’ve said things like ‘mum, we don’t need to talk about that’ etc. I have NEVER entered into any conversation about it and it has never been a big factor for me.

Recently she has received a terminal diagnosis and has been raising the subject. Again, I’ve said ‘all in good time’ and she made me promise to talk to her about it ‘when the time was right’, so I agreed.

DM remarried 25 years ago. Her husband (I’ll call him Step-DF) moved into her house and has lived there with her ever since. She has always insisted, though, that it’s ‘her’ house, not his, and he has been happy with and accepted that. (Legally, I don’t know where she stands on that but it’s none of my business so I’ve never questioned it.)

For context, and important I think: my DF lived in the house for 20 years, contributed to bills, etc and when he left, took cash from her of around 1/4 to 1/3 of the value of the house (it’s difficult to gauge what the house would have been worth back then). Basically he took what he needed rather than force a sale to get his half. He died a number of years ago, having always loved her.

Step-DF is a bit older than DM has one son (similar age to me).

Due to the age difference and women tending to outlive men, DM has always assumed that he would die first. I know, lovely conversation (!!) but she has talked to me about this, probably because she was worried she’d be left alone. DH and I have talked about what would happen and had agreed to discuss it IF it happens but that she’d likely live with us.

So to the conversations she has tried to initiate with me over the years:

She has always said, if Step-DF dies first, I would eventually inherit everything that she owns (step brother would inherit from his father).

Or

If she dies first, the house would be sold and I’d get a large share, more than half, to allow Step-DF to have some money to buy himself a smaller house or flat. At that point, their shared liquid cash would be split 50:50 and 50% would come to me.

(I’d be happy with either of these options. Obviously the first benefits me most, but it’s fair that if Step-DF was left alone, he shouldn’t lose the ability to buy a home.)

A few days ago, she said that the time was right that we should discuss this. I agreed, as I had promised her that I would and it’s clearly really important to her.

I am now really shocked and upset. I state again that she can do exactly what she wants with her own will, however, she has set certain expectations over the past 50 years of my life and it now seems that none of it is true.

The house goes directly to Step-DF on her death. Although they had agreed he would move into his own place to allow me an inheritance, he has ‘changed his mind’ and would like to be able to own the house - wouldn't we all?! I can’t be named as part-owner either as he said he might want to sell and move elsewhere. She trusts him to make a will and leave me a share.
The problem is, trust means nothing in law and I don’t have a particularly good relationship with him or his son so I don’t trust him to do this at all. Also, if he eventually goes into a home, the proceeds of the house will pay for that. So I will be left with nothing.
Plus
Liquid cash that she said would go to me now goes directly to him. He has said he might have a big expense with the house and doesn’t want to ‘be short’. In my opinion, his 50% is a considerable enough sum that it would cover any expected eventuality and he is also in receipt of a significant pension which will cover his expenses. So again, I will get nothing.

I feel so let down. And it’s really not ‘just the money’ (although that would have been a cushion to help with my mortgage, etc). I just feel that she doesn’t value me or our relationship, despite all her words to the contrary (that our relationship means more to her than any other, that she really needed no one other than me, that she loves her husband but can’t bear his family, that her grandchildren - my DCs - are everything to her).

It feels to me that Step-DF has been ‘playing the long game’, although that sounds ridiculous to say out loud as I don’t doubt he loves her, but he has played a number on me and my supposedly loving mother is letting him.

How on earth do I make peace with this and accept it, plus remain a loving daughter in my mother’s final months, knowing all this?

If I turn away from her, how would I live with the guilt?

I have suffered a lot from her; I’ve had a long helpful thread on MN helping me cope with her narcissistic tendencies and controlling behaviour which I honestly believed we had got over. I believed her and what she tells me. It feels like the whole relationship has been a lie and she doesn’t value me at all.

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anotherNameJustForThis · 18/01/2023 11:21

PeaceLillyWhiteFlower · 17/01/2023 20:17

Glad to hear you are reinherited. Knowing where you stand with your mum at this difficult time is some comfort.

WRT being a joint landlord wih your stepbro with a tenant who pays no rent, I don't know. Interested to hear other people's experiences. Will there be some sort of lease whereby SF pays for repairs and maintenance with the cash your DM has left him? That might be tricky to negotiate with SDB. Is the house generally in good repair?

The house is generally is a good state of repair but I'm not confident he will maintain it over the years - he's a man who 'does as he's told' rather than does things on his own initiative. He hates gardening but does it to please DM and it's a big, long-established garden which needs lots of maintenance.

DH and I own our own home and are financially 'ok' but we wouldn't have spare cash for big expenses - new roof, windows, kitchen, bathroom etc (and whatever else can go wrong in an old house).

DH suggested asking for a copy of the will when it's all tied up and taking it to a solicitor independently to check it all out. It feels sneaky though and I don't want to be disingenuous or go behind DM's back

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anotherNameJustForThis · 18/01/2023 11:24

PleaseBeHappy2023 · 17/01/2023 22:56

Great that your mum has put arrangements for the house in place. In my experience though, it's not just the bricks and mortar but the contents that are important. I would request that anything of particular importance is yours when your mum dies rather than wait for your stepdad to die. My stepdad destroyed a lot of my dad's belongings and papers after my mum died. He burned the photos. There was no indication he would have ever behaved that way. What was left went to his children and we were left with nothing despite my mum and stepfather's reassurances. Talk to your mum about this.

Oh dear, I'm sorry you lost some of the more personal items.

Luckily I already have family photos from my DF's side - DM had a clear out a few years ago. But there are also little things that I'd like - a painting I had given her as a gift, some items of her clothes that have special meaning. I'll speak to her about those.

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billy1966 · 18/01/2023 11:28

Could he live 20 years and you either fund repairs endlessly or allow the house fall to pierces?

Surely your mothers estate should keep the house in reasonable repair?

I think you need to check this out further.
Ask her solicitor for clarification.

Could you be legally obliged to maintain the house for him for the rest of his days?

That seems like a strong possibility...........and how convenient for him if you are!

anotherNameJustForThis · 18/01/2023 11:38

billy1966 · 18/01/2023 11:28

Could he live 20 years and you either fund repairs endlessly or allow the house fall to pierces?

Surely your mothers estate should keep the house in reasonable repair?

I think you need to check this out further.
Ask her solicitor for clarification.

Could you be legally obliged to maintain the house for him for the rest of his days?

That seems like a strong possibility...........and how convenient for him if you are!

Thanks @billy1966

And that's the worry!

I'm in danger of her accusing me of being difficult - she'll likely think that I wanted her to rethink her will and now she has, I'm not happy!! I think she'll be annoyed if I keep asking or suggest this is not 'acceptable'.

To be fair (and none of us can predict the future of course), 20 years is unlikely, given his current age. I'd say more like 10, with a fair wind

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catfunk · 18/01/2023 12:39

I’m of the view that no one is entitled to an inheritance and my DM could leave everything she has to anyone and I have no say in that.

This in no way matches with your final
Paragraph.

It sounds like your mum wanted your input on this for a long time and you've avoided the conversation and now she's made a decision you don't like it tbh.

Have you told her how you feel? Made any other suggestions you feel are fairer ? It sounds like you have nothing to lose,

Quitelikeit · 18/01/2023 12:52

You’d be very very wise to ask your mother for a copy of the will.

If you don’t you have no idea what could happen

There have been stories on here whereby the step parent has even changed the will after a death

How do you know he can’t do that if she has refused to give you a life interest?

Believe me it happens

billy1966 · 18/01/2023 15:28

anotherNameJustForThis · 18/01/2023 11:38

Thanks @billy1966

And that's the worry!

I'm in danger of her accusing me of being difficult - she'll likely think that I wanted her to rethink her will and now she has, I'm not happy!! I think she'll be annoyed if I keep asking or suggest this is not 'acceptable'.

To be fair (and none of us can predict the future of course), 20 years is unlikely, given his current age. I'd say more like 10, with a fair wind

If the house is his till he dies he could move family in to live rent free for the rest of his days with YOU responsible for all wear and tear and maintenance while they live there.

You won't have any power over who he brings into HIS home.

You need to clarify things.

It is very reasonable to do so.

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