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engagement ring expectations..

233 replies

newbie224 · 01/01/2023 22:08

so recently engaged.. well 2 months or so..i hate to admit but when i saw the ring my immediate feeling was disappointment, it looked cheap like costume jewelry and not what i expected. I'm not a jewelry wearer in general so my expectations about a ring were low. i tried the ring on and it was a bit big, he said he wud get it resized for me.. so 2 months has gone past and no mention of the ring or fixing it . out of curiosity today i researched the hallmark on the ring. It says sterling silver cubic zirconia. basically cheap..i know an engagement is not about money but i know he can afford so much more.. and is extravagant in his own spending on himself... am i entitled to feel disappointed or shud the ring price matter

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Amazongirl9 · 02/01/2023 12:03

Typo - site

Ineedtosleep79 · 02/01/2023 12:08

Sounds like my old engagement ring (and situation - he earned a decent amount).

We are no longer together (although that came 21 months after the engagement).

Anotherbloomingchristmas · 02/01/2023 12:11

My ddil loses jewellery v. easily.
Ds bought her a cheap engagement ring and I knew she was sad and disappointed.
I had words with him.
They eventually went together to choose an appropriate ring.
His reason was initially practical but he was wrong and accepted it.
Your fiancé is a tight ass.

Mrstumbletap · 02/01/2023 12:14

Forget the cheap crap ring, I would accidentally lose that for a start, it's a symbol of things to come and not a good one tbh.

But you raise a query, he gets defensive then blames you. OP this is the bigger issue, if you aren't allowed to raise things without him getting defensive how will you ever communicate your feelings to him?

What is he like in an argument?
How good is he at resolving conflict?
Has he called you other names other than ungrateful?
What is like when he is stressed?
Does he sulk, get distant or get mad?

newbie224 · 02/01/2023 12:17

can i just add i do feel like he deceived me because when he gave me the ring at some point that evening joked that it wasn't cheap or something along them lines.

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Yarrawonga · 02/01/2023 12:17

This one is called mumsnets it’s for err… mums.

Except that it isn’t.

category12 · 02/01/2023 12:20

C1N1C · 02/01/2023 11:53

@category12

Isn't what he did exercising exactly what you suggested? He opted for a token, not expensive, because he may not agree with society's expectations. As it happened, the OP accepted initially, so the token was well-received. Had she not researched the hallmark, all would be well in the world.

We have two trains of thought in here... he was deceptive, when no he wasn't. He made no statements as to the providence of the ring. And the other that it doesn't bode well when he spends more on himself than the ring; which in today's society with lots of divorces and equality, why 'should' he? Has she returned the gesture with something equal? Why is it so gender-biased?

It's a sexist and biased convention because it's a tradition developed in a patriarchal society that a lot of people still indulge.

If the bloke didn't want to adopt the tradition, he could have spoken to OP and said something to the tune of "I'd love for us to get married, why don't we do it in a modern way and exchange rings or tokens? I don't want to spend huge amounts, I'd rather invest in our joint future, how about we set a budget of x amount. What do you say?"

Instead he chose the traditional route. I'm not sure why that is the OP's fault in your eyes and why she should be the one to lead with breaking convention.

I have not said the guy is deceptive so you need to take that argument up with someone else.

I have said that you are comparing apples & oranges effectively as your scenario with your wife bears little resemblance to what OP has described. Yours was a joint decision and OP was presented with a fait accompli.

Anotherbloomingchristmas · 02/01/2023 12:21

For context OP my engagement ring was £45.
47 Years ago!
And it was an average price then. It is gold, sapphires and diamonds.

C1N1C · 02/01/2023 12:23

@ImAvingOops
I'm just replying directly so as not to stretch out the page, so hopefully I reply to everything:)

Why shouldn't men hedge their bets? If the man is going to be putting money into a venture (as this is HIS money, she's not buying him a ring of equal value), is this not sensible? Is it sensible to throw everything you have at a token that could be lost or stolen?
You imply you have even LESS money further into a relationship... at a point where you have even larger commitments and children, so you say why not spend it now as grand gesture? Why WOULD you??? Basically you're prioritising your selfish needs (expensive token gesture) over the security and wellness of your children? I realise that is hitting below the belt, but by extension, isn't that exactly what you're implying?...
Also, if it is merely a long-lasting gesture, Tungsten ticks the box. Nice ring that looks like my wedding band costs £40 :)

And again, why the man? To quote you, "you are setting the bar very low if you think a man shouldn't even have to do that"... why should he? Equal society... why does he need to? I apologise for the pending comment, but hopefully you'll see the pseudo-parallel... a man is apparently required to provide a ring (even you have implied that), to demonstrate his commitment, financial security and 'fairness/equality' in the future, but where is her gesture? By implication, the ring suggests his financial dominance and her dependence, otherwise it wouldn't be a one-way street. Does he not get a gesture to demonstrate her future reliability surrounding the expectations he may have of her too?
I'm trying to play devils advocate but also highlight a bit of a bias here...

LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 02/01/2023 12:25

newbie224 · 02/01/2023 12:17

can i just add i do feel like he deceived me because when he gave me the ring at some point that evening joked that it wasn't cheap or something along them lines.

We have two trains of thought in here... he was deceptive, when no he wasn't.

it was deceptive. It was meant to be deceptive.

category12 · 02/01/2023 12:26

Anotherbloomingchristmas · 02/01/2023 12:21

For context OP my engagement ring was £45.
47 Years ago!
And it was an average price then. It is gold, sapphires and diamonds.

£45 in 1976 is worth £414.41 today according to an online calculator 😀

Ineedtosleep79 · 02/01/2023 12:26

newbie224 · 02/01/2023 00:12

@MrsTerryPratchett thank you for your understanding. i am not some money hungry gold digger.. ive spent enough time and money into this relationship to have some expectations.. all i asked for was a metal that wud last the test of time.. no diamonds necessary.. a 30 pound ring is not gonna stand the test of time

How confident are you that it's £30? Mine was sterling silver but it was around £200 - £400

RocketIceLollie · 02/01/2023 12:28

Does the ring really matter?! It's about the future you two will have together rather than some piece of bling to show off.

Ineedtosleep79 · 02/01/2023 12:28

Mind you mine had a fraction of a diamond in it lol. I actually loved my cute little ring but when male friends were spending 1k-4k on their rings it did sting a bit. I never said anything about it.

FancyFran · 02/01/2023 12:29

The old rule was a months wages (so about £2300 on an average salary). You also showed it to your FIL when you sought their permission! (1988) We had no money really as we had bought a property. My husband spent about two weeks wages but 5 years later bought me a Cartier eternity ring. This I love, this I still wear. If you want value for money go to auction. Greener too. However I think your chap sounds tight, not great if you need support during any future maternity leave. Mean with money, mean with love.

Ineedtosleep79 · 02/01/2023 12:30

newbie224 · 02/01/2023 12:17

can i just add i do feel like he deceived me because when he gave me the ring at some point that evening joked that it wasn't cheap or something along them lines.

Has my ex asked to marry you OP? 🤣 x

crispsandnuts · 02/01/2023 12:30

I was disappointed with mine, his mum choose it (which hurt more) it was cheap and not my style.

However I try to ignore it as didn't want to seem high maintenance. I was then disappointed with pretty much everything else in my marriage, it was an early sign.
Now divorced, the deceit about the 'expensive' ring was only the start of his lies.

Follow your gut and don't be afraid to have standards.

C1N1C · 02/01/2023 12:34

@Amazongirl9
Fair point, I do agree with you and I was conscious of the hijacking issue, I guess I just got caught up in the moment :)

MN is often (as the name suggests), largely female-centric viewpoints, so I like to occasionally (hopefully objectively) offer up an equal but opposite male viewpoint.

There is so much desired equality, which I absolutely support, but marriage appears to be one of those where many women do not want to relinquish the 'perks' for that equality, I.e. "I want expensive ring, because reasons!"

bluebell34567 · 02/01/2023 12:36

Letitrainletitrainletitrain · 02/01/2023 00:51

My engagement ring cost £400, my wedding ring £100 and my wedding £3k and would have cost a lot less if we weren't keeping parents happy. (5 years ago)

So I'm totally not one for 20k destination wedding etc and I would have been happier eloping or with a little registry office do, but I was still young enough to bow to parental expectations

But if my DH has got me a £30 ring when he spent more than than on a watch I would have been upset. Not because I want a big expensive thing but because it could mean he valued himself more than me. And I want a relationship where I am treated as an equal.

You only need to spend a few hours on the relationship boards to know it starts with penny pinching when dating and becomes financial abuse when children come along.

And whilst spending £30 on a ring isn't a sure fire way of telling if someone is going to be financially abusive, spending very little on your partner compared to what you spend on yourself, and then being defensive and implying they are money grabbing is a definite red flag

This is the kind of man who will expect his wife to continue to contribute the same amount whilst on maternity leave, and expect her to pay out of her savings.

Who will expect her to pay for everything for the baby because she is a woman. Who will watch her go without new clothes, or haircuts, or any hobbies whilst he swans around with the latest bike, or golf clubs or fancy pants watch.

Then when she wants to return to work she won't be able to because 'childcare is more than her wage' and he won't consider her career prospects, pension contributions or own opinions worthy of consideration.

Then a few years down the line he will bitch and moan that the house is his and the car is his and the money is his, and that means he doesn't need to do any housework, or parenting or take on any of the mental load.

And he will moan that he is the only one bringing in money whilst making it impossible for her to do so.

If she does get a job it will have to fit around school hours, because he won't do any of the lifts, and if the kids are ill he will never take time off because his job is too important.

And when they finally split up and get divorced she will be left scraping by because she's not kept up with her career and he will complain about every penny of child maintenence he pays (if any) and bitch about his crazy ex wife.

Because this is the same old story that happens over and over and over again on this forum and other always starts with a boyfriend whose tight with his cash

So whilst you are right that expensive rings aren't necessary and expensive weddings aren't necessary this isn't really about a ring. it's about an attitude and a relationship.

This could have just have easily been a man who bought himself an expensive watch just before christmas then bought his finance a box of chocolates for Christmas. Or a man who orders steak when the woman is paying on a date but will only let her order salad when he is paying.

The wedding and engagement side of this is a red herring.

vooow, what a good post.i may say best on relationship board.
C1N1C i dont agree with you. it sounds so boring.

greennavy · 02/01/2023 12:38

When i saw my ring, i wasn't totally in love but it came with a booklet that explained the diamond and setting and i really thought he'd put in some effort to buy something decent. And now i wouldn't change it and love that it was his choice

I wouldn't have been happy with silver or CZ either

Workyticket · 02/01/2023 12:39

Dh got me a shit ring from claire's accessories to propose with because he knew I'd want to choose my own (I did, a £700 one because I liked it and it was on sale)

but then I inherited one from an aunt that isn't my taste but means the world to me and is worth a bomb) its yellow gold with a big diamond and is as beautiful now as it would have been in the 1930s when she got it 🥰

I'd honestly have assumed the same and be saying "this ring is tarnishing already, what's out budget for my real one?"

bluebell34567 · 02/01/2023 12:40

i would want to have a ring where i feel happy all my life when i look at it and proud of it because it shows how much he values me.

bluebell34567 · 02/01/2023 12:42

crispsandnuts · 02/01/2023 12:30

I was disappointed with mine, his mum choose it (which hurt more) it was cheap and not my style.

However I try to ignore it as didn't want to seem high maintenance. I was then disappointed with pretty much everything else in my marriage, it was an early sign.
Now divorced, the deceit about the 'expensive' ring was only the start of his lies.

Follow your gut and don't be afraid to have standards.

so true.

Campervangirl · 02/01/2023 12:44

Amazongirl9 · 02/01/2023 12:02

@C1N1C. You appear to have a massive axe to grind regarding male/female equality and engagement rings in particular, which seems odd given that you and Mrs(not)C1N1C (I assume she kept her own surname for equality reasons) seem to have it all sorted to your own satisfaction. If you want to carry on banging the drum for hard done by males being forced to purchase expensive engagement rings against their will maybe you’d like to start your own thread rather than hijack this one. Better still on a sight designed for males to do so. This one is called mumsnets it’s for err… mums.

Nice one @Amazongirl9
You beat me to it.
Why do men feel the need to hijack MN when there's a Dadsnet.
Another space for women invaded by men who feel the need to inflict their opinions on issues that women have just because they feel we need a "male perspective" because our thoughts and feelings are "wrong" uh actually we dont your perspective, off you pop @C1N1C

Newrider · 02/01/2023 12:45

Foolish to marry this man. He reads as the type to knock you up then be the gatekeeper of all money etc while he spends on himself happily telling you what the family can and can't afford...

Walk away. He sounds miserable and certainly not someone thoughtful.