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If you're thinking of/open to having an affair, please read this (coming from someone who did)

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IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 13:38

I've seen a lot of posts lately that remind me of me in the early days before I made the worst decision I ever made. I just wanted to say these things in the hope that it stops someone from crossing the line when they're being charmed and chased and feel like they've met someone who makes them feel so happy and alive.

I didn't just fuck up by having an affair. I fucked up for FIVE WHOLE YEARS because I was so consumed by the affair fog and my inability to separate reality from fantasy. I never got caught so I'm saying this without having to deal with the ramifications of that on top. My relationship had become very stale, we had been together from teens to thirties, morphed into flatmate territory, this person engineered themselves into my life, chased me when I wasn't even interested at first and made themselves indispensable. I didn't go looking for it and didn't even realise what was happening until boundaries had already been crossed.

To any of you feeling similar and getting attention from that colleague at work, that old ex boyfriend, a mutual friend etc - run, do not walk, far in the opposite direction before you engage in a phase of fantasy and it consumes your life. Before, inevitably whether after months or years, it eventually comes undone. And when it does your life will feel 50x worse than it did before when you were a little bored and lapping up the attention.

After the fall out of mine, I had to see a therapist because I went from being perfectly stable to unable to focus on my day job, eat, or function day to day. I felt suicidal and couldn't talk to anyone about it because of the shame of what I had done. I felt addicted to a person, much like a hardcore drug addiction, and had to quit cold Turkey when neither of us wanted to. My heart felt blitzed into smithereens and I felt that I had nothing to live for. All this for someone that in the very beginning, I wasn't even attracted to!

Not to mention the guilt towards other people - living a secret double life and trying to justify or downplay it to yourself, neglecting your relationship even further and fully checking out when if you reframed your mind, you could either work through it or leave and be happy in a genuine relationship. Some of the things I did I never would have thought possible of me before, and looking back now that reality has set in I'm horrified at myself. We had sex in my house, my bed I share with my partner. His house, once while his young child was asleep upstairs. My mums house, his mums house, work events. The things you will do once you're in the thick of this are absolutely disgusting and shameful.

Not only that but we had close calls a few times, but we didn't stop. We were too addicted to each other. We just found new ways to stay in touch, became extra secretive (don't ever doubt someone's ability to continue cheating if they really want to, even if you are monitoring their phone - the level of determination and creativity is next level).

I've realised that I definitely have some trauma I needed to work through and most people who engage in this type of thing suffer from self esteem issues, anxiety or general self doubt which make them susceptible to getting involved without realising what a dumb decision it is. Our affair borderlined on obsession, we barely went an hour without contact, we called each other and kept frequently in touch when on long haul holidays, we messaged continually through the work day, we even 'worked from home' together a few times.

What seems at first like harmless flirting, something you can walk away from, little chats to make you feel good about yourself, that's just dipping your toe in before falling into the lake. It's not worth it. It will all be ripped away overnight and you will have become so dependent on this you won't be able to function.

NOTHING good will come of engaging in an affair. If you want to leave your relationship, leave, take some time to learn what you want, and then you can start looking for something healthy and sustainable. An exit affair won't help you. If you want to stay in your relationship, don't play with fire, you may find yourself suddenly getting the ick with your partner or finding them intolerable because you're so wrapped up in your fantasy.

If you want to work through your issues, you need to start talking. Communication shutting down or feeling difficult was the start of where it all went wrong for me. I seem to be seeing so many posts lately of me years ago and I want to warn people of what's to come if they go down this path. So hopefully this helps someone even if nobody responds to this post.

And yes, I am very well aware of what a total asshole I've been. How I've treated my partner, how me and my affair partner have both together manipulated his partner so we could keep things going between us. You will become the absolute worst version of yourself if you do this, and like a drug addict you will do things you never thought you were capable of to ensure you get to keep the addiction going.

I'm happy to answer anyone's questions if it helps to stop people ending up like me. If you feel in a rut at home, start a new hobby, make some new friends, enrich your life in other ways.. it won't be as intense a high, but is a far better option than human Heroin.

OP posts:
youngwildandni · 30/12/2022 18:18

@IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne

You’re a piece of work OP. Seriously. What a self indulgent, patronising and actually manipulative post.

you had a 5 year long affair which you claim to take responsibility for. You claim
you don’t blame your affair partner. Then you literally list all the reasons why it’s his fault - he inserted himself into your life, he relentlessly pursued you, he love bombed you, he manipulated you… yet what you take responsibility for is being naive and impressionable and falling for it? That’s not taking responsibility and in actual fact you’re trying to convince all
of us into thinking you have! Unless he held a gun to your head you were as complicit as he was. I’d even argue that you’re in fact incredibly manipulative. You had sex with someone who wasn’t your husband for 5 years and you have people feeling sorry for you? Telling you not to feel too bad about yourself? Thanking you for your bravery?! That’s quite some response you’ve garnered.

I don’t believe for one second you want this to be advice and I fully agree with other posters who’ve said you’re using this as another excuse to talk about your AP and get sympathy/ justification/ validation you’re not to blame.

The only people who should be hearing about this are your DH and your AP’s wife, and then they can decide for themselves if they want to continue in a relationship with lying, cheating, selfish partners. But they can’t, because once again you’re denying them the truth and honesty they deserve. I don’t know you but your actions, attitude and behaviour in this situation is utterly utterly revolting. And before you say it, yes I have RTFT.

Do the decent thing and tell your partner - give them the chance to be in a happy, loving and trusting relationship. Not the relationship they’re in with you.

Cherry2010 · 30/12/2022 18:27

Do you actually, really, honestly love your DH? It’s ok to admit you don’t.

Ineedtosleep79 · 30/12/2022 18:44

Just an idea..you could tell him and not go into every detail. If you did tell him everything, how long etc your marriage would almost certainly be over. Especially if he'd given you no reason to cheat?

Onceuponawhileago · 30/12/2022 18:46

Cherry2010 · 30/12/2022 18:27

Do you actually, really, honestly love your DH? It’s ok to admit you don’t.

Noooooooo. You don't understand! OP sees people as convenient vehicles to carry her emotional load and save her the hard work of self examination. They therefore are not allowed to have any inconvenient needs, wants or right to humane treatment or honesty. She's getting a free pass a bit on this thread. If she was a man we'd be talking psychopathic thinking. She will read this thread and go to a counsellor to be assisted in arriving at a place where she can find offence/ abdicate responsibility.

Onceuponawhileago · 30/12/2022 18:48

Ineedtosleep79 · 30/12/2022 18:44

Just an idea..you could tell him and not go into every detail. If you did tell him everything, how long etc your marriage would almost certainly be over. Especially if he'd given you no reason to cheat?

'Hi honey, I kinda cheated, but I like lying so I'm not gonna really tell you anything else but I still think we should stay together as a reward for me being partially honest'...something like that?

Londisc · 30/12/2022 18:52

@Ineedtosleep79 No, that doesn't work if you want to stay together. You need to your partner everything. Every detail they want to know, you answer honestly and you suck up the shame and the pain. It is NOT a kindness to gloss over things if your partner is asking you for honest details, no matter how awkward. There is no chance of building a successful and truly new relationship unless everything is out there on the injured party's terms.

I suspect the OP won't be brave enough to do it and will keep her husband where she needs him (in the dark) and so they will trudge along in their hidden misery rather than having a truly honest - ' this is where we are, where do we want to be, how can we get there?' conversation.

BungleandGeorge · 30/12/2022 18:55

You feel shame because you haven’t taken responsibility for the affair and you haven’t told your partner. You know that’s unfair on him

NaturalBae · 30/12/2022 18:58

Onceuponawhileago · 30/12/2022 18:48

'Hi honey, I kinda cheated, but I like lying so I'm not gonna really tell you anything else but I still think we should stay together as a reward for me being partially honest'...something like that?

😩

OP is lonely as they has just spent the first Christmas without her AP, after the last FIVE YEARS of Christmases together.

OP has been without sex from her AP for the last three months as they’re on a potential break since September. OP and her DH no longer share any intimacy in their marriage, most probably due to OP focusing on getting her needs met by AP instead of focusing all of her time and effort on her marriage.

I’m sure I read that the OP said that her DH suffers from ED? I can’t find it. So many updates. Apologies if I’m wrong. No excuse if this is the case. This is not an acceptable reason to have an affair.

butterfliedtwo · 30/12/2022 19:06

youngwildandni Exactly. Couldn't agree more.

IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne · 30/12/2022 19:07

Sheesh, this escalated. Appreciate all your thoughts even those of you psychoanalysing me as someone behind a serial rapist on the list of 'respectable humans'. I'll reply properly when I get some time later.

But just to clarify, I haven't once said I haven't done anything wrong, haven't blamed my partner or ex AP, only answered questions or gave further detail, not as justification for my behaviour. Although my partner speaking to other women has been justification for me to not feel so guilty in the past, but of course I feel guilt. My suicidal feelings weren't because the guy dropped me (he would still be speaking to me now if I initiated conversation) they were because I realised the scale and impact of my actions and couldn't believe what I'd done. They were because of the ramifications towards other people, not because I got caught because I didn't. A heartless person would've shrugged their shoulders, be glad they got off scot free and moved on to the next.

And no, I am not by any means jealous we didn't run off into the sunset. Because the way I liked him was based on fantasy, if he turned up on my doorstep single I'd be horrified not elated. This is what affairs do, they make you feel the strongest, weirdest way for someone you'd usually not give a second glance. All the posters with an axe to grind that I'm still holding a torch for the guy are very much missing the point of my posts.

Things with my partner are complicated, obviously they weren't in a good place for me to be where I am. Not justification but things that need to be unpicked and understood. If they lie to you it doesn't mean it's okay to lie to them, but it does make things dysfunctional. Clearly there's a divide on whether I should tell him or not, I don't want to go around in circles on that anymore as I don't think that's helping anyone else who could benefit from this thread. I have been cheated on too so I have been on the other side, so I completely understand the hate I'm getting.

If I said I wasn't blaming ex AP I'd be told I'm still in love with him, if I call out things I've realised I'm told I'm manipulative and saying it's all him. The reality is I'm not blaming anyone but myself, I think he would benefit from therapy as much as me as he was very damaged, emotional and anxious. I don't think he thought through what he was doing. Earlier on I thought I might like to be friends with him instead, now I know that is a bad idea and still manipulative and hurtful to others.

I'm not looking for sympathy or people to feel bad for me either - I've just provided context, nothing I've said is trying to manipulate anyone, just get the message across to anyone in my shoes or who can identify with some of the issues I've struggled with from childhood til now.

Unfortunately there's nothing anyone can say around this topic and not get a shit ton of hate for their actions. And that's fine but don't make assumptions about my character based on the biggest fuck up of my life. I don't disagree with all the hate I've got, I know I was manipulative as I would have done whatever I needed to not lose what I had when I was in the thick of it.

I don't want to write this post to speak about him, if I did I would have written a very different topic, it's anonymous so if I wanted to pine on about missing someone I would. I do feel like there's a hole there still, but that's okay, and that time needs to be spent on family and friends and trying to figure out whether I can repair my relationship or not.

OP posts:
Ineedtosleep79 · 30/12/2022 19:12

Onceuponawhileago · 30/12/2022 18:48

'Hi honey, I kinda cheated, but I like lying so I'm not gonna really tell you anything else but I still think we should stay together as a reward for me being partially honest'...something like that?

Lol. Im just trying to help...being as they are married, if they still love each other. Maybe she could just say about the 3 year physical part. Her chances of forgiveness are so low even with 3 years. Her only chance is if she has leverage (if he has mistreated her).

Memorydrift · 30/12/2022 19:14

My relationship had become very stale, we had been together from teens to thirties, morphed into flatmate territory, this person engineered themselves into my life, chased me when I wasn't even interested at first and made themselves indispensable. I didn't go looking for it and didn't even realise what was happening until boundaries had already been crossed.

I can see how this has happened to you op. Can I ask, if things with your partner had morphed into flatmate territory, did you for some reason find it hard to leave the relationship or just didn't know how you could make your relationship better? Genuine questions.

squidgybits · 30/12/2022 19:22

excuses and self pity is what I read , tell him and please seek therapy, your attitude to this is not normal
narcissist

Opentooffers · 30/12/2022 19:27

I'm of the opinion that telling the other person of an affair serves no purpose whatsoever. People say it because they feel guilty, and for some reason, think that a bit of honesty after all the lies, means they are not such a bad person after all. What happens is they witness a whole lot of hurt that they caused, so they feel worse than ever, and of course their partner feels terrible - it's a lose/ lose situation, no need for it.
That is entirely different if the partner has twigged, it's entirely wrong to gaslight.
If he never sussed a thing over 5 years, then really it shows how little attention he was paying, that's some major head in the sand behaviour. Let's face it, your DP is not snow white and was on questionable websites before any of this.
2 wrongs don't make a right, they just show that you shouldn't be together. Not sure why you are still together really? Hmm... it will be money and lifestyle, with some habit chucked in after all this time.
The overall thing here is that you are not right for each other. You could say, if you were happy at the time you wouldn't of had an affair, if he was happy at the time, would he have gone on questionable websites?
You are just 2 people who are together because neither of you had the guts to call it quits, because in your own ways you've supported each other all your adult lives. I get it's a hard thing to break, you've made it 5 years harder, it's probably been even longer since he started on Web stuff.
The answer is that you should split, should of done years ago. Given that you've been through a lot and not split yet, it begs the question of what would it take? Did the affair never show you glimmers of what a good relationship could be like?

toocold54 · 30/12/2022 19:31

Do you actually, really, honestly love your DH? It’s ok to admit you don’t.

You can’t love someone and treat them like shit, lie to them, sneak around behind their backs etc.

I know of a couple people who’ve had affairs and their partners are there simply for convenience either because they pay the bills, look after the kids or cook and clean.
It’s not about love at all, else you wouldn’t do it.

Londisc · 30/12/2022 19:32

I know I was manipulative as I would have done whatever I needed to not lose what I had when I was in the thick of it.

That is exactly what you are doing now by continuing to hide a 5 year relationship from your husband. There is no logic whatsoever in people saying 'oh don't tell him just to assuage your own guilt'... if it had been a one night stand, a 5 night stand maybe, a 5 week or 5 month fling... hmm.. not really but ok... or, ok this happened 40 years ago etc. But no. Until very recently you were in a relationship with someone else for 5 YEARS and it did not end because of your choosing.

Of course human beings fuck up. We fuck up badly. And any half decent humand being is going to tell their current 30-something husband that they have fucked up big style and stop making excuses and give you BOTH the chance to decide what, if any, future your relationship has. It's time to grow up, and fast.

Londisc · 30/12/2022 19:40

there's a divide on whether I should tell him or not, I don't want to go around in circles on that anymore as I don't think that's helping anyone else who could benefit from this thread

Of course it's of benefit. Your expressed intention was dissuade others from having an affair... well this is exactly the scenario they will have to face if they do. Owning up to their shit or desperately scrabbling around trying to justify not doing so.

Palmfrond · 30/12/2022 19:43

Yes OP we all fuck up. Fucking up like sleeping with someone while away from home, or when trapped in a sexless marriage as an earlier poster said. So many ways to fuck up. Leaving your spouse or partner because of some idiotic infatuation which fizzles out.

I think the reason your sympathy bingo card remains mostly empty on this thread is because you were doing this for three years and in ways which express utter contempt for both your and your adultery partners spouses and children. And even this could be still in the realms of a truly epic fuck up if you were to appear to take responsibility for it. But you don’t. Not even anonymously. Just attempts at retroactive back pedalling.

Mostly, though, what on earth compels you to stay with your husband??

Edinburghmusing · 30/12/2022 19:57

OP - why haven’t you left your husband in all this time?

you didn’t need to leave him for the affair man. You could have just left him and been single (even continuing to have the affair)

purpledalmation · 30/12/2022 19:57

My advice is to say nothing to your husband. You have been the one entirely in the wrong. You chose to have an affair, no one inserted themselves into your lives.

Take responsibility and let the guilt you feel be the punishment for cheating.
Confessing to your husband doesn't give him to option to be with someone who loves him, it just rips him apart. Trust will never be regained. Never. Do you love him? If so don't hurt him.

If you are intent on being a good partner and he is also being a good partner, then there is nothing to be gained by confessing.

If you tell him, this is yet again an example of your selfish self obsession.
Telling him does not make it go away
It does not make him feel special because you've chosen to stay
It makes him feel like shit and he may never forgive you, hold it against you for years or just pull the plug on the marriage.

Carry the guilt, carry the blame, you will feel bad about it because you should feel bad about it.

Over time it will lessen and become a memory you learn to live with.

You feel the pain of guilt and you want him to know to lessen your guilt. It won't end well. If you want to confess see a priest,

Onceuponawhileago · 30/12/2022 19:58

Ineedtosleep79 · 30/12/2022 19:12

Lol. Im just trying to help...being as they are married, if they still love each other. Maybe she could just say about the 3 year physical part. Her chances of forgiveness are so low even with 3 years. Her only chance is if she has leverage (if he has mistreated her).

But then she is lying about lying. Anybody with a shred of self esteem would run away if told there was a five year affair in the relationship.

PleaseDontEatThat · 30/12/2022 19:59

I do have some understanding OP. I was in a similar-ish position once and it was the lowest I've ever felt. I didn't want to live any longer, the self-loathing and guilt and fear are all encompassing, but at the same time the crushing heartbreak from being apart from the AP who you thought you loved. It's a mess, and one you can't discuss with anyone, you can't really understand how you got there, and you have to live with the consequences in total secrecy.

I survived that period of my life (thankfully it was only a matter of months not years) and successfully detached from that person. They are still in my life due to circumstances out of my control but we keep one another at complete arm's length. I look back in sheer horror at that time and the actions I took and feelings I felt. I never want to feel so beholden to another person and so powerless and pathetic.

It's hard to explain unless you've been there but I do understand a lot of what you've said. It was a huge learning curve for me and I hope I came out of it a better person. Eventually. Go to therapy and work out why you're where you are.

blueshoes · 30/12/2022 20:01

OP, you want to talk about this far too much. Grim grim grim. You are supposedly over but self-manufacturing drama to get the release of picking at a wound. Your poor dh is still being lied to.

Not interested in being your therapist. Good luck.

Creepinglight · 30/12/2022 20:04

Rainbowshit · 30/12/2022 14:54

I disagree with this. I'd rather not have known about my DH's infidelity.

would you have wanted to know if it was still going on?

Kiwirose · 30/12/2022 20:06

@IfYouTakeOnePieceOfAdviceTakeThisOne I think this was a very brave thread to write and also a helpful one. Mumsmet can always be guaranteed to bring out the extremes in people!

The only two people who know what is going on in your marriage are you and you husband - no one else knows the full story. It is great that you have the support of a counsellor and I am sure you will make the decisions that are right for you.

Relationships are complex, especially long term ones, and no one person is ever perfect in all the ways we hope they will be - so there is always compromise somewhere.

Having been married for 30 years I totally get your post and I could so easily have been you but I made a different decision. You are right it is like a drug and it isn't real - it is a total fantasy. I found your post really helpful and it would have made me thing twice so I am sure that it will help some others. I am glad I made my decision but that doesn't mean I don't think about "what if". I love my partner deeply but that doesn't mean he is perfect and my relationship gives me 100% of what i want and need. But it does give me enough and I have to learn acceptance for the rest. Just as I am sure there are parts to my character that he would prefer to live without if he could.

Good luck with your therapy. Good luck in your relationship. Good luck in finding peace and forgiving yourself.

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