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Genuinely confused about what to do - dating

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Givinguponthissituation · 24/12/2022 06:55

i (40) started seeing a man (48) at the beginning of September. We both have very busy jobs and divorced with DC and live two hours away from each other but both work in London.

At the beginning of dating we had quite an intense experience - seeing each other 2-3 times a week and going away together for 5 days (i went on a work trip and he opted to come with me - he owns his own business) where we first slept together. We both agreed it was wonderful, we got close, loved being together etc, not easy to stay in a hotel room for 5 days with someone you don’t know well etc. He told me he thought he “could really fall for me.”

he warned me in mid-nov that the lead up to Christmas would be crazy busy for him and he’d be less available. I assumed we would snatch time when we could but it did not work out like that. He was in London frequently going to various work related events and saying he would call / text when he had finished but then texting late and saying he was heading home. His DC also got quite ill with bugs (as did everyone) and so he stopped coming into London and worked from home. He was also not particularly consistent with contact. It averaged a few whatsapps every other day and a call 2-3 times a week. I would have liked more but did not over - text and took his lead.

i naturallly withdrew over this period as I took it to mean he was not as into me as I was into him (I certainly would have made the space and effort if I really liked someone.) When I initially withdrew he got upset and called and texted me a series of times telling me it was just difficult during this period and we would see each other a lot in the new year.

there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me. One of them he apparently thought it was too late (the event had gone on until 11.30) and the other he had to get home to look after his DC who were off school with illness the next day. He very much left me to draw conclusions of my own rather than be specific. For eg the first event, I had got dressed up and was waiting by the phone at 9.30 for him to call to say where to meet. Instead he texted at 11.30 saying his event had gone on longer and he was on his way home. No call or anything.

I withdrew again as I felt if he really wanted to see me he would have made the effort.

after 2 days of not responding to his contact with me, he sent me an email and a text. In the email were two tickets to NYC on 22jan and a hotel booking, and the text said the following:

I’m really sorry about the last few weeks. I don’t mean to give mixed messages.
I have an idea what you’re thinking but it’s not true. Work has been frantic, always is at this time as I’m sure it is with you. You are on my mind a lot, and when we speak and I see you it reminds me how much I miss time together. The new year will bring us more time. Xxx

this week I have been away in France with DC and he and I have had balanced, contact. It is not enough for me as it is but the future promise of “next year” keeps me hopeful. I don’t know what to think. Every time I bring it up or give him a chance to get out of it, he insists he doesn’t want that, or. Says something like “please don’t dump me for what I can’t control.”

what do you all think?

OP posts:
Thingshavebecomeweird · 01/01/2023 09:52

Tbf, I move in senior professional circles. This sort of behaviour would not have an impact at all. Also, my mate's husband who beat her up and put her in hospital,kept his job at a bank. No issues. Even with a criminal conviction.

I'd keep your involvement quiet now. It is very frustrating

tyipat · 01/01/2023 21:04

I would do as PPs have suggested. Simply cast you cannot recommend him for the position. If questioned you do not need to give the reason, just that you don't find him trustworthy as an individual and that you cannot therefore recommend him in a business context. A pp talks about her colleague keeping his job but sacking people for things in their personal life is difficult but you can be pretty sure that he'll be looked over for promotion if people know he is such an unpleasant individual, all that OP is doing here is not backing him in a promotion (that he went about getting in an extremely underhand way!).

I'm another for telling the wife as if I were in a similar position as her I would rather know. If OP is feeling foolish she can appreciate that the wife deserves not to be putting herself in that situation any longer

fatsocatso · 01/01/2023 22:00

tyipat · 01/01/2023 21:04

I would do as PPs have suggested. Simply cast you cannot recommend him for the position. If questioned you do not need to give the reason, just that you don't find him trustworthy as an individual and that you cannot therefore recommend him in a business context. A pp talks about her colleague keeping his job but sacking people for things in their personal life is difficult but you can be pretty sure that he'll be looked over for promotion if people know he is such an unpleasant individual, all that OP is doing here is not backing him in a promotion (that he went about getting in an extremely underhand way!).

I'm another for telling the wife as if I were in a similar position as her I would rather know. If OP is feeling foolish she can appreciate that the wife deserves not to be putting herself in that situation any longer

I think the phrasing here is perfect for explaining obliquely why you cannot recommend.

Personally, I wouldn't tell the wife as, though I feel sorry for her, I just would want to block, walk away with my head held high and I wouldn't want the mess and fallout that goes with that on my doorstep.

ihatesoaps · 14/01/2023 11:32

Any update? X

Givinguponthissituation · 14/01/2023 17:30

Well... it's got worse. He has somehow used my name, previous support and indirect approval to initiate several client introductions and get a meeting with my CEO in New York in January (the trip I was supposed to be on.) He has also ghosted me and cut me out, yet is continuing to contact my seniors and set up meetings off the back of his association with me and the intel I gave him by mistake thinking we were starting a relationship.

Originally when I saw these meetings go in the diary I contacted him and asked him to check with me before initiating these meetings off the back of our conversations. He replied to me that "none of your work relationship issues have anything to do with me. It's perfectly normal I'd contact your boss independently and set up a meeting. I don't have to check with you." It was then that he stopped replying.

As if to protect himself, he has also implied - very subtly - to my seniors that I have an alcohol problem and he'd prefer not to deal with me directly.

Today I have told one more senior person (will call him G) at work what has happened as well as my direct boss (that I referred to before - R) G said it sounds to him like I have been catfished. G was the one who told me about the very subtle reference to the alcohol problem.

G and R have suggested that we ask the CEO whether I can be there at the meeting in New York in Jan and he can get a surprise. It is 50/50 whether the CEO would let this happen.

Not sure what that will achieve or what I'd say. I am still trying to think through what to do.

OP posts:
Astaphorial · 14/01/2023 18:34

I'd email the ceo directly and ask for a conference call. Don't play by the rules. Or sit on your hands. Because he won't.

Givinguponthissituation · 14/01/2023 18:52

Astaphorial · 14/01/2023 18:34

I'd email the ceo directly and ask for a conference call. Don't play by the rules. Or sit on your hands. Because he won't.

And say what? I got catfished by a married man to whom I revealed some (not confidential, but certainly private) internal corporate intel and he has used it and me to do business with you? And by the way he is implying I am an alcoholic and I am not.

(Thank you for your reply by the way)

OP posts:
Givinguponthissituation · 14/01/2023 18:54

Sorry that sounds short - I meant I just don't know how I am supposed to unwind this. Or maybe I just need to go nuclear and tell his wife

OP posts:
category12 · 14/01/2023 18:57

Have you got any dirt on him, other than the cheating?

StarCourt · 14/01/2023 19:07

OP is your CEO approachable? I'm assuming you are a valued employee. Can you not tell the CEO what happened? its no reflection on you. Or is there a misogynistic culture you think might work against you?

category12 · 14/01/2023 19:11

I'd be surprised if it's the first time he's done something like this, and I doubt his deceptive ways are limited to infidelity. It all seems very machiavellian. If you can afford it, perhaps try a private investigator?

Your card of telling his wife wouldn't do anything to help you professionally.

Maybe you should consider confessing the indiscreet business talk? While it doesn't look great on you, wouldn't it look worse on him? Especially if it's given him an unfair edge on competitors?

Astaphorial · 14/01/2023 19:14

I was thinking something more along the lines of 'so I hear this man has been using my name to further his career in your company. I do know him however my dealings with him found him to be.
lacking in in integrity. Perhaps I would have found humour in it, if it had not also reached my ears that he has been besmirching my character. If he'd do that to me, he will likely do it to others in our organisation. So I thought I'd come directly to you seen as he is gunning for a chair on your board. I figure the least I can do is give you a heads up. You know, seen as you're the boss. Great job with x/y/z by the way. All the best - L'

But yeah maybe it won't work. Ceo might even like the sound of an unscrupulous employee working for him.

You may be too late to go nuclear and tell his wife. She'll already be brainwashed and warned.

You could email everyone in your workplace the info and tell his wife. But obviously you'll gabrto wait your job then.

What about suing him or slander?
Or taking up his slander with hr?

Astaphorial · 14/01/2023 19:15

-leave your job
-for slander

Remona · 14/01/2023 19:25

Oh bloody hell, OP. He’s done a right number on you.

I think in your favour is the fact that you already told R a rough idea of what is going on. You’ve got in first in a way.

It’s far from ideal, but I think your best option is to lay your cards on the table. Try and meet with G and R and tell them EXACTLY what has gone on, what he’s done and what’s been said. Discuss with them how to take this to the CEO. I see nothing to be gained at all in you going to the meeting in New York. That would be a mistake. Somehow the CEO HAS to know what this bloke is like and how underhand and untrustworthy he is. Yes, it will embarrassing and yes, you’ll feel like a fool, but you have GOT to get across to the CEO etc. that he is a man who is not to be trusted.

Don’t play fair because he isn’t playing fair with you.

As for telling his wife, sadly that ship has sailed. He knows that you know so he’ll have covered his tracks.

Givinguponthissituation · 16/01/2023 10:35

I am trying to hold myself back today from texting him to meet up and resolve this before it gets out of hand. I feel like I want to tell him that I know what he is trying to do and it is a mistake. Or that maybe there is a thread of friendliness left between us that we can be reasonable with each other. Not trying to rehabilitate the relationship but the work association. What the hell is wrong with me for being so tempted to do this! I won’t though.

I am speaking again to G later about this situation and I suppose I face the decision of admitting what has happened (ie everything) including that he came on the business trip with me and I told him things I shouldn’t have, or seeing how it plays out and letting him infiltrate his way into my company.

OP posts:
Ladybug14 · 16/01/2023 12:02

Never contact him again

I'd have to tell the whole truth

It's the only way he loses all hold over you

Shitfather · 16/01/2023 12:44

I find this to be quite scary. He has infiltrated your work life and you may not get rid of him or he could malign your name further. Any contact would make you vulnerable. I say see how this plays out. What an utterly evil man.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 16/01/2023 12:48

He’s a ruthless cunt isn’t he
Jesus wept

keep powder dry but do NOT speak with him
he’s not to be trusted

Hell hae that the further twist things I’m sure

have you written a dry a factual statement of what’s happedned and dates etc ?
also have you got a code of conduct

I’d go legal and factual with this one as he’s not quite normal is he ?

Courtnightmares · 16/01/2023 13:58

Another one for married!

dontleaveitthere · 16/01/2023 14:25

Courtnightmares · 16/01/2023 13:58

Another one for married!

Have you... read the updates?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 16/01/2023 14:33

Id actually consider going legal on this one to be honest
you have enough back up to necessitate a Soliciter to write to him on some grounds to have him back off

Pinkbonbon · 16/01/2023 15:39

Definately don't meet with him.
He'll take that as weakness. His kind attack weakness.

You need to go legal on this. You have witnesses to his character assassination.

Remona · 16/01/2023 16:11

Ladybug14 · 16/01/2023 12:02

Never contact him again

I'd have to tell the whole truth

It's the only way he loses all hold over you

This. You have to come clean as it’s the only way. He’s nothing on you then.

You sit back and do nothing and then he’ll worm his way into the company and once he’s there then there’s no getting rid. You’ll be looking for a new job to get away from the situation.

Over my dead body would this unscrupulous toad be getting onto the board. I would do everything in my power to try and ensure that didn’t happen.

What an utter bastard.

category12 · 16/01/2023 17:05

Givinguponthissituation · 16/01/2023 10:35

I am trying to hold myself back today from texting him to meet up and resolve this before it gets out of hand. I feel like I want to tell him that I know what he is trying to do and it is a mistake. Or that maybe there is a thread of friendliness left between us that we can be reasonable with each other. Not trying to rehabilitate the relationship but the work association. What the hell is wrong with me for being so tempted to do this! I won’t though.

I am speaking again to G later about this situation and I suppose I face the decision of admitting what has happened (ie everything) including that he came on the business trip with me and I told him things I shouldn’t have, or seeing how it plays out and letting him infiltrate his way into my company.

Honestly I think your best bet is to tell G everything. Yes, you've been indiscreet and overly trusting, but I think this man getting into a position of authority in your company will be even worse for you.

Don't fool yourself you can reason with him or pull on a thread of friendship - he's not your friend in any way, he lied about you and he'll likely do you further damage given the chance.

You're a threat to him as you have seen this side of him. Hoping he'll be decent, will just give him opportunity to fuck you over. He is a complete user.

Clymene · 16/01/2023 17:48

I would also come clean with G and ask for his guidance on the best way to approach the CEO (if you don't know them well). At the end of the day, you've done nothing wrong other than possibly be a bit naive.

But really it is so utterly sinister to imagine that anyone would do this that I'm not surprised you were taken in.

What you can't do is a) get in touch with him or b) sit back and hope it goes away.

You have the advantage now - he's been slandering you and he doesn't know you're wise to what he's up to. I'd go to New York.

And I bet you that you're not the first woman he's done this to.

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