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Genuinely confused about what to do - dating

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Givinguponthissituation · 24/12/2022 06:55

i (40) started seeing a man (48) at the beginning of September. We both have very busy jobs and divorced with DC and live two hours away from each other but both work in London.

At the beginning of dating we had quite an intense experience - seeing each other 2-3 times a week and going away together for 5 days (i went on a work trip and he opted to come with me - he owns his own business) where we first slept together. We both agreed it was wonderful, we got close, loved being together etc, not easy to stay in a hotel room for 5 days with someone you don’t know well etc. He told me he thought he “could really fall for me.”

he warned me in mid-nov that the lead up to Christmas would be crazy busy for him and he’d be less available. I assumed we would snatch time when we could but it did not work out like that. He was in London frequently going to various work related events and saying he would call / text when he had finished but then texting late and saying he was heading home. His DC also got quite ill with bugs (as did everyone) and so he stopped coming into London and worked from home. He was also not particularly consistent with contact. It averaged a few whatsapps every other day and a call 2-3 times a week. I would have liked more but did not over - text and took his lead.

i naturallly withdrew over this period as I took it to mean he was not as into me as I was into him (I certainly would have made the space and effort if I really liked someone.) When I initially withdrew he got upset and called and texted me a series of times telling me it was just difficult during this period and we would see each other a lot in the new year.

there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me. One of them he apparently thought it was too late (the event had gone on until 11.30) and the other he had to get home to look after his DC who were off school with illness the next day. He very much left me to draw conclusions of my own rather than be specific. For eg the first event, I had got dressed up and was waiting by the phone at 9.30 for him to call to say where to meet. Instead he texted at 11.30 saying his event had gone on longer and he was on his way home. No call or anything.

I withdrew again as I felt if he really wanted to see me he would have made the effort.

after 2 days of not responding to his contact with me, he sent me an email and a text. In the email were two tickets to NYC on 22jan and a hotel booking, and the text said the following:

I’m really sorry about the last few weeks. I don’t mean to give mixed messages.
I have an idea what you’re thinking but it’s not true. Work has been frantic, always is at this time as I’m sure it is with you. You are on my mind a lot, and when we speak and I see you it reminds me how much I miss time together. The new year will bring us more time. Xxx

this week I have been away in France with DC and he and I have had balanced, contact. It is not enough for me as it is but the future promise of “next year” keeps me hopeful. I don’t know what to think. Every time I bring it up or give him a chance to get out of it, he insists he doesn’t want that, or. Says something like “please don’t dump me for what I can’t control.”

what do you all think?

OP posts:
Ladybug14 · 29/01/2023 13:55

You have to tell the CEO. Therein lies peace. Trust me...... peace and a calm heart are worth so much

Thisisworsethananticpated · 29/01/2023 15:44

I agree
this has gone too far and he’s a warped individual (to say the least )

right now your main recourse is to be 100% honest and tell CEO

whatever happens you will look back and know you were honest
you’ve done nothing wrong
and life is unfair

MiniCooperLover · 29/01/2023 15:56

R&G do not have your back on this. Your CEO is going to be furious if you let him continue with this nonsense and then it all comes out and he looks like a fool, and it'll be you he's furious with! Be honest now, talk to him, explain what's happened. You need to front up now! This man is banking on the fact you wont' ..

20questions · 29/01/2023 16:03

I have been following your thread OP and really feel for you. You have been cynically used by a narcissist.
One thing that really stood out to me was right at the start when he asked you to tell him things about yourself that he "thought he should know" (or words to that effect). That screams of a calculated ploy to extract personal and sensitive information- believing he cared about you and wanted a deeper connection - when in fact he was encouraging you to disclose personal things that rendered you vulnerable and that he could store away and use as leverage.
I do think you should tell the CEO. However I would try and take the personal betrayal out of it - obviously mention it - but they won't be too concerned about personal relationships. Instead I would focus on the underhandedness, deviousness and premeditated planning that he displayed in order to achieve his own ends. To entrust someone like that with an important role in a large company may make the CEO think twice.
I'm sorry you were so horribly betrayed.

yodayoga1 · 29/01/2023 17:02

I'm amazed that he doesn't seem to give a toss if you tell his wife. You sound far too ethical but if it were me, I'd be quietly telling him that I'd expose the affair to his wife if he didn't back off.

There again, perhaps he has form for this and she's forgiven him in the past, which may explain why he doesn't seem to be worried about that.

Remona · 29/01/2023 17:03

You did mention earlier

he had asked me if I could nominate him to be on the board of one of the subsidiary companies of the one of I work for (this would be prestigious in the industry he works in). This is a huge deal, something only I could nominate/grant

You didn’t nominate him and yet here we are. He wheedled his way in without your approval.

If you have so much sway in the process, why don’t you use your power now? Surely to God if you have so much influence in the process, now is the perfect time to utilise it and screw him over.

bloodyeffinnora · 29/01/2023 22:02

another vote here for telling your CEO, would he want someone with such a disreputable character on the board? i would tell him everything.

blondieblonde · 29/01/2023 22:34

I think you must tell the CEO. They have a duty to protect you. You were cynically manipulated by a Machiavellian narcissist, and then, when you realised, you were intimidated from complaining. You’ve been used and abused. Tell the CEO without any remorse. They should protect you from this.

Christmaspyjamas · 29/01/2023 22:52

@blondieblonde I think your post is kind. I've directly reported to CEOs for 10 years. Most are pretty ruthless, definitely don't see it as their role to protect you and are obsessive about loyalty.

Maybe I've had bad experiences but I'm worried OP has left it too late to do this without repercussions.

At no point did she do anything wrong per se....but her actions are going to be judged in light of what happened later....

I just think ALL effort should be on a job hunt. I don't think in a senior role this 'error of judgment' can be gotten over.

And by that I don't mean to criticise OP but how it will be played in a male dominated environment that still looks after its own.

blondieblonde · 29/01/2023 23:05

@Christmaspyjamas you’ve judged me
correctly there! I work in a different type of job entirely, have no experience of this, and tend to (erroneously) think the best of everyone. OP listen to her not me!!

Givinguponthissituation · 03/02/2023 18:10

Back to give the update. R and G have engineered that the CEO make clear to him that I (not only me but me as an integral part) will be involved in every step of the process of appointing him to the board if it happens, that I will be making a judgement call, doing his references, a key part of deciding if he is fit for the role. CEO has made this clear in an email to him and I. It must have shocked him because

Lo and behold… he is back in touch with me on WhatsApp, inviting me to the opera next week, expensive tickets, checking in asking how I am, how he’s made a terrible mistake.

I am going to make sure he does not get this role.

i feel much much better. I will learn from this. I cannot believe people like this exist in the world.

OP posts:
bloodyeffinnora · 03/02/2023 19:46

He is unbelievable, what a nasty piece of work he is, i am so pleased that you have a say in whether he is appointed or not. hopefully not.

But please still be careful of him, he sounds like he will do anything to achieve what he wants and has a real nasty side to him.

20questions · 03/02/2023 20:11

Brilliant update OP!
The invite to the opera made me laugh - what a tool!
And yes - he certainly did make a terrible mistake....just not the one he thinks he made.....
So happy for you!

bloodyeffinnora · 03/02/2023 21:26

keep us updated 😁

MargotMoon · 03/02/2023 21:48

The brass fucking neck of some people men!!! 😲

nannyquestion1 · 03/02/2023 22:07

I am in awe of your dignity! Very well played, OP 👏👏

Clymene · 03/02/2023 22:30

What a snake!

I'm so glad for the update as I've been thinking of you. Glad you're feeling better

dystylam · 03/02/2023 22:48

Too late to tell the CEO the full truth.

However not too late to let him know that you know Mr X is trying to put down your character - and that you are concerned that he is doing this to get a narrative for if you turn him down.

Do not lie and hide your relationship with him just no need to mention it. However if it comes out then you need to be able to hold your head high

yodayoga1 · 04/02/2023 06:51

Very well done, OP. Well played. He's getting everything he deserved and more. I'm so sorry that you have been through this. You are clearly not a vengeful person but I do hope you take a moment to savour your response to him.

yodayoga1 · 04/02/2023 07:07

Actually OP, I've followed the thread from the beginning but just went back and re-read all your posts. It sounds as though you stop replying to him, he then went above your head on the board seat issue, you got in contact to ask him not to do that and he replied saying that he could do what he liked.
Does he actually know that you found out he was married? Did you ever have any conversations or messages about that? If not, that may be enough to get him to back off.

Totalwasteofpaper · 04/02/2023 07:23

Absolutely nuts. I find it astounding people like this exist...

You also did the right thing keeping your powder dry and getting R and G's support.

Really good point re: the wife. Does he know that you know????

Remona · 04/02/2023 08:02

I am going to make sure he does not get this role.

i feel much much better. I will learn from this. I cannot believe people like this exist in the world.

Glad to hear you’re feeling more positive about this @Givinguponthissituation

Does the CEO now know something, if not everything, about what he’s done?

Did you reply to his recent messages? I sincerely hope not.

Be on your guard. He’s already tried to cast aspersions with your company regarding your drinking. I dread to think what else he’ll try if he realises things aren’t going his way. Do not underestimate the lengths he will go to.

Weedoormatnomore · 04/02/2023 08:20

Only just read your posts. From the first one I guessed he was married. Surprised you never looked him up on fb a lot sooner. Just be careful people like him are already forming their next plans he could tell CEO that you chased him and are being vengeful because he turned you down so trying to stop him getting on the board.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 04/02/2023 11:12

Givinguponthissituation
💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪

hes a total sociopathic CUNT
I’m so pleased to read update

RedLines · 04/02/2023 13:14

Well Played!
I suspect that CEO knows more of the background to this than you think and that this is his way of extricating himself from a messy political situation.

You can recommend he doesn't make the grade and is not appointed.
CEO then has a recommendation from his appointment panel and can reject him without any comeback on himself.

You have the satisfaction of the last laugh, and the trump card of his wife if he attempts to damage your career either then, or in the future.

Best of luck!