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Genuinely confused about what to do - dating

289 replies

Givinguponthissituation · 24/12/2022 06:55

i (40) started seeing a man (48) at the beginning of September. We both have very busy jobs and divorced with DC and live two hours away from each other but both work in London.

At the beginning of dating we had quite an intense experience - seeing each other 2-3 times a week and going away together for 5 days (i went on a work trip and he opted to come with me - he owns his own business) where we first slept together. We both agreed it was wonderful, we got close, loved being together etc, not easy to stay in a hotel room for 5 days with someone you don’t know well etc. He told me he thought he “could really fall for me.”

he warned me in mid-nov that the lead up to Christmas would be crazy busy for him and he’d be less available. I assumed we would snatch time when we could but it did not work out like that. He was in London frequently going to various work related events and saying he would call / text when he had finished but then texting late and saying he was heading home. His DC also got quite ill with bugs (as did everyone) and so he stopped coming into London and worked from home. He was also not particularly consistent with contact. It averaged a few whatsapps every other day and a call 2-3 times a week. I would have liked more but did not over - text and took his lead.

i naturallly withdrew over this period as I took it to mean he was not as into me as I was into him (I certainly would have made the space and effort if I really liked someone.) When I initially withdrew he got upset and called and texted me a series of times telling me it was just difficult during this period and we would see each other a lot in the new year.

there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me. One of them he apparently thought it was too late (the event had gone on until 11.30) and the other he had to get home to look after his DC who were off school with illness the next day. He very much left me to draw conclusions of my own rather than be specific. For eg the first event, I had got dressed up and was waiting by the phone at 9.30 for him to call to say where to meet. Instead he texted at 11.30 saying his event had gone on longer and he was on his way home. No call or anything.

I withdrew again as I felt if he really wanted to see me he would have made the effort.

after 2 days of not responding to his contact with me, he sent me an email and a text. In the email were two tickets to NYC on 22jan and a hotel booking, and the text said the following:

I’m really sorry about the last few weeks. I don’t mean to give mixed messages.
I have an idea what you’re thinking but it’s not true. Work has been frantic, always is at this time as I’m sure it is with you. You are on my mind a lot, and when we speak and I see you it reminds me how much I miss time together. The new year will bring us more time. Xxx

this week I have been away in France with DC and he and I have had balanced, contact. It is not enough for me as it is but the future promise of “next year” keeps me hopeful. I don’t know what to think. Every time I bring it up or give him a chance to get out of it, he insists he doesn’t want that, or. Says something like “please don’t dump me for what I can’t control.”

what do you all think?

OP posts:
shivermetimbers77 · 24/12/2022 12:05

Sounds to me like it all got very intense very quickly and he still very much likes/is attracted to you, but this behaviour is a way of (perhaps unconsciously) pulling back as it may have been a case of too much too soon.

NotToBeOrToBe · 24/12/2022 12:23

How sure are you that he isn't married? Have you been to his home ? Is the NYC trip Monday to Friday?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 24/12/2022 12:36

It’s early days
take a chill pill
much if this is midlife dating related

id try and take it at his word and get through the next few days

lets see how things are in January
if this continues you have your answer
if his space and time gets better you have your answer

but I’d try and take him at his word if he’s generally trustworthy ?

daisychain01 · 24/12/2022 12:38

How dependent are your DC? How dependent are his DC? What are his caring obligations. - does he share the care with his ex? This surely has the biggest impact on your respective availability.

are you being unrealistic about how often you can get together if you each have DC and you live 2 hours apart from each other? What with work commitments, how would you even find the time is beyond me!

those practical realities will shape the way you can hope to make this relationship work in the longer term. It will definitely need you both pulling in the same direction, it won't work if you aren't both equally committed to the same goal of being together in a steady relationship. I can say this with the experience of having been with (now) DH when we lived 2 hours apart, it needed a lot of planning and organisation, we couldn't spontaneously meet the way we could have done if he was 10 miles away. It worked out because we were equally committed to making our relationship possible.

Pinkbonbon · 24/12/2022 18:47

Another vote for married.

Other that or heis a jumped up narcissist who enjoys making you run after him. They're the only sort of people who make you wait for hours, wondering what happened to them and then say 'oh the function over run'. When they could easily have texted to let you know. That shit is an obvious power move. Inconveniencing you amd then giving a shit reason for it. It's designed to make you feel like they don't value you.

TenzingNorgay · 24/12/2022 21:02

Too much like hard work?

StarCourt · 24/12/2022 21:35

he is not a keeper. even if everything hes said is true everything is always on his terms. do you want a lifetime of hanging around waiting for him?

MargotMoon · 24/12/2022 22:29

I'm on the fence here. On the one hand, leaving you all dressed up with nowhere to go is absolutely shitty behaviour. On the other, life can be really fucking busy and hard work, and the run up to Xmas with sick DC makes that even more so.

As you're not in a committed relationship yet I would take everything with a pinch of salt and see how it pans out in January.

Scandicheek · 24/12/2022 22:30

Is he suggesting he booked flights and a hotel to NYC without asking if you’re free? What happens if you’re not? Seems very unlikely unless you’d already discussed the break

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 00:46

Thank you for all your replies on this. i am still in rural France with my DC. Really bad signal and wifi connection.

I got a series of whatsapps from him yesterday (Christmas Day) asking to speak today (Boxing Day.) He wanted to catch up but also speak to me about a work issue within his business (ie, a favour and me giving free advice relating to my profession.) He also asked if we could meet when I get back (28th) and for me “not to forget New York” and for me to pick some restaurants we were going to and things to do. He was also sending me lots of pics of presents he’s got from DC etx.

we went back and forth on a time to speak today. He is well aware of my WiFi issues; that I can’t really speak freely with the DC and my extended family here, so we agreed I’d walk to a restaurant nearby for 6.30pm today (a 30mins walk) have a drink pre-dinner, get on the WiFi there and we can chat for 30mins on a WhatsApp call. Then I’ll walk back to the house. So off I trot, it’s freezing here, I sit myself down in the bar area of the restaurant, get myself a drink and wait for him to call as he said he would.
Nothing.
I send a friendly text asking him if he is going to call. 20mins later I get a reply saying “so sorry something came up at home with the kids. So so sorry xxx” Then nothing for the rest of the evening.

i find it bizarre someone can behave like this without feeling they - even if it’s unintentional - must come across as taking the absolute piss. Without even a text anticipating the fact he can’t call or explaining anything. It takes ME to text him and ask what’s going on.

i don’t even know how to respond to this. Is it to not respond at all? Will
he understand what he has done? I feel angry enough to spell it out to him - all the times he has said he will call/meet and all the flakiness. Because I know he will come back at me with New York etc.

or am I too angry and caught up in the moment and I should just ignore him from
now on?does he know what he is doing?

OP posts:
Clymene · 27/12/2022 00:52

You did an hour's round trip walk for him to pick your professional brains and he just didn't bother calling? ShockShock

Just block him now. What an arsehole.

category12 · 27/12/2022 00:53

Ah that's shit. Sorry.

I'd forget NYC and just block him, I think.

He's wasting your time and it's really quite something to stand you up long-distance!

I think he's got a partner or wife and that's why he's so flaky.

Panpastels · 27/12/2022 00:59

He's taking the piss. There are a lot of red flags here, I think blocking him would be wise.

Aprilx · 27/12/2022 01:13

I was veering towards him either being married or just not that bothered about you. With the latest update, definitely one of those. I think that was the last straw.

FlowerArranger · 27/12/2022 01:20

He is messing yuo about to see how much crap you'll take.

You have 2 options I can see:

  • "I'm done" and block
  • Just block.
Tannedandfake · 27/12/2022 01:28

You have already accepted his appalling behaviour time and time again.
I’d agree with PP’s, he’s either still married or in another relationship. You need to block him

Shallysally · 27/12/2022 01:30

He is showing you who he is OP. I’m sorry he is such a mean, rude, arrogant man. It takes 20 seconds to text a “sorry something has come up”

You deserve better, block him and put him
out of your head.

daschundthroughthesnow · 27/12/2022 01:33

Sorry OP, I agree with other responses. He's messing you around and this early on in dating he's really not worth your time

And being busy at Xmas also leads me to think he's possibly still married but regardless, he's a waste of time

And also the behaviour yesterday is disgraceful. It's almost as though he's testing you to see how much you'll tolerate. Bin!

CheekyHobson · 27/12/2022 01:37

If he is not married (which it seems 95 percent likely he is) he’s a massive flake and a narcissist.

If you want to get your heart trampled on, by all means proceed but he’s shown you time and again what he’s really like after the initial burst of effort.

I would say take the trip to New York for your troubles, not expecting anything else from him before then and then dump the first infraction following that but I seriously doubt there will actually be any trip to New York.

MadMadMadamMim · 27/12/2022 01:38

I'd just text back, "Not good enough. I'm done".

And I'd block him. He's a time waster.

JangolinaPitt · 27/12/2022 03:42

Definitely married ☹️

FrancescaContini · 27/12/2022 04:11

Erratic messaging / free time = married.

Tell him to fuck off then block him. Next time you date, be very wary of “too much too soon”. Five days in a hotel together shortly after meeting definitely falls into this category.

lking679 · 27/12/2022 04:22

being busy with work is one thing, leaving you hanging after work events is not nice (would make me suspicious he’s married). Arranging a call after all of that, knowing you’re a bit wary-low contact etc, waving New York tickets at you, all sound manipulative. You don’t treat a friend like that never mind a romantic contact.
I’d be walking away.

You should be feeling excited and happy not confused and anxious.

ClarathecrosseyedLioness · 27/12/2022 04:29

I'm with those who say he is married/in a relationship - sorry OP.

This jumped out at me 'there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me.'

Those sound like 'booty calls' to me. Don't allow it, OP you're worth more than that.

He wanted to catch up but also speak to me about a work issue within his business (ie, a favour and me giving free advice relating to my profession.)

No, no, no. Don't give 'freebies'/'mates rates' it devalues your profession.

I think you should have got the measure of this guy by now OP. He's a disrespectful user.

Time to pull the plug. Block, flush, delete - you owe him nothing so no explanation, just cut him off.

Loafbeginsat60 · 27/12/2022 04:29

Have you ever been to his house OP? He's definitely still married sorry.

Something came up with the kids? Nah. His wife didn't go out like she was supposed to.

If it's not that, he's unbelievably selfish and will treat you like this forever if you let him get away with it.

Grand gestures like NYC mean nothing when you are being treated like shit the rest of the time.

Sorry op, what a crappy time you've had. Run mown

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