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Genuinely confused about what to do - dating

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Givinguponthissituation · 24/12/2022 06:55

i (40) started seeing a man (48) at the beginning of September. We both have very busy jobs and divorced with DC and live two hours away from each other but both work in London.

At the beginning of dating we had quite an intense experience - seeing each other 2-3 times a week and going away together for 5 days (i went on a work trip and he opted to come with me - he owns his own business) where we first slept together. We both agreed it was wonderful, we got close, loved being together etc, not easy to stay in a hotel room for 5 days with someone you don’t know well etc. He told me he thought he “could really fall for me.”

he warned me in mid-nov that the lead up to Christmas would be crazy busy for him and he’d be less available. I assumed we would snatch time when we could but it did not work out like that. He was in London frequently going to various work related events and saying he would call / text when he had finished but then texting late and saying he was heading home. His DC also got quite ill with bugs (as did everyone) and so he stopped coming into London and worked from home. He was also not particularly consistent with contact. It averaged a few whatsapps every other day and a call 2-3 times a week. I would have liked more but did not over - text and took his lead.

i naturallly withdrew over this period as I took it to mean he was not as into me as I was into him (I certainly would have made the space and effort if I really liked someone.) When I initially withdrew he got upset and called and texted me a series of times telling me it was just difficult during this period and we would see each other a lot in the new year.

there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me. One of them he apparently thought it was too late (the event had gone on until 11.30) and the other he had to get home to look after his DC who were off school with illness the next day. He very much left me to draw conclusions of my own rather than be specific. For eg the first event, I had got dressed up and was waiting by the phone at 9.30 for him to call to say where to meet. Instead he texted at 11.30 saying his event had gone on longer and he was on his way home. No call or anything.

I withdrew again as I felt if he really wanted to see me he would have made the effort.

after 2 days of not responding to his contact with me, he sent me an email and a text. In the email were two tickets to NYC on 22jan and a hotel booking, and the text said the following:

I’m really sorry about the last few weeks. I don’t mean to give mixed messages.
I have an idea what you’re thinking but it’s not true. Work has been frantic, always is at this time as I’m sure it is with you. You are on my mind a lot, and when we speak and I see you it reminds me how much I miss time together. The new year will bring us more time. Xxx

this week I have been away in France with DC and he and I have had balanced, contact. It is not enough for me as it is but the future promise of “next year” keeps me hopeful. I don’t know what to think. Every time I bring it up or give him a chance to get out of it, he insists he doesn’t want that, or. Says something like “please don’t dump me for what I can’t control.”

what do you all think?

OP posts:
Ofcourseshecan · 31/12/2022 10:50

I sympathise, OP. This creep really used you, no wonder you’re upset. But don’t for one moment feel ashamed, either of your background or of your honest feelings towards him.

You have built your success through your own efforts, while he had all the benefits of his more privileged upbringing. You are honest and loving, whereas he is a lying, selfish cheat. You are worth 100 of him.

I wish you better luck with a better man.

happinessischocolate · 31/12/2022 17:19

Just a heads up, if you've been looking at their fb profiles and photos there's a good chance you will come up on their fb under "people you might know"

MargotMoon · 31/12/2022 17:26

happinessischocolate · 31/12/2022 17:19

Just a heads up, if you've been looking at their fb profiles and photos there's a good chance you will come up on their fb under "people you might know"

Not once they've both been blocked!

Pinkbonbon · 31/12/2022 18:28

The thing about social class though op, is that if the person is a shitty bastard who cheats on their wife then they are class-less.

You're leagues above the cheating scumball. Because he has neither moral fibre, nor honour.
Breeding and dosh are reduced to ashes if the person behaves like a savage.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 31/12/2022 18:46

Givinguponthissituation

pleaze do whatever you can to lose any feeling of being ‘less than’

social class is such a bullshit UK (and global !) construct and I totally hate it

he is who he is thanks to an egg and sperm

i have way more respect for someone who’s made it off their own work

I know he charmed you , but he’s really really not a good soul
just good at pretending he’s one
which is galling

Givinguponthissituation · 31/12/2022 19:58

Well there are developments. I got an email from my CEO, replying to an email from him making an enquiry about the board seat, cc-ing me and several other people in. It basically says “good to hear from you, your case looks strong, you’ll have to speak to givingup and A,B,C other people,” all cc’d in.

Before this happened I also confided in my direct boss (we are quite close) about what happened, as he knows him through work also. I didn’t go into all the dirty details (ie didn’t say he came with me on the business trip) but said he had told me he was divorced, we’d had a short relationship and I’d found out he was married and I was feeling quite cut up about it all. I also mentioned that he’d been trying to get the board seat. Direct boss empathised but said he was not sure what to do about it and suggested I come up with an idea of what I want and we put it to the ceo. He said we could not sever contact with him and his business over this, I’d still have to see him and be professional.

what do you suggest I communicate internally about this?

OP posts:
daisychain01 · 31/12/2022 20:14

what do you suggest I communicate internally about this?

in light of what your immediate manager has stated, that you would still need to keep professional, that should not mean that you have to be forced into compromising your own personal values by backing or sponsoring his application to be on the board.

I would back away from the whole situation if I were you. No way should you have to recommend him given his dishonesty and vile treatment of you. It could reflect badly on you professionally to be associated with him.

Just say you are not in a position to be involved and you need to withdraw fully. If he is intent on pursuing the board position, he can go to A B and C, but you're 'outa here".

if you don't you would be rewarding bad behaviour.

category12 · 31/12/2022 20:22

I have no idea how these things work, but if you can withdraw from the process where it comes to his application, I would.

Pineappleskies · 31/12/2022 20:22

Agree. Say that you're unable to sponsor his application due to information you have on his personal conduct. Make it clear you have no reason at all to doubt his professional.competence.

Stop talking about it at work at all including to your immediate boss.

Such it up and be professional. Or this could get a lot worse, fast.

The world shouldn't work this way, but it still does and you need to be savvy and stop giving anyone you work with insight into your sex or romantic life.

DatingDinosaur · 31/12/2022 20:28

Can the recommendation be given without your input? Given that your CEO knows the circumstances, are you able to ask your CEO to remove you from the recommendations panel on this occasion?

Internally, I would say something along the lines of “due to a conflict of interest, I am unable to provide a recommendation for Mr Cheater’s nomination to the board”.

It’s a tricky one because you have to separate your personal life from your professional life and if he is good at what he does professionally and you do have to give input, you must treat it as if none of this in your personal life has happened. And that is truly the galling thing.

Pinkbonbon · 31/12/2022 20:28

Tbh I would just reply to that email he sent (to everyone) with- no, I will not be lending my support to x for this position.

Just that. Let people wonder as to why.

DatingDinosaur · 31/12/2022 20:30

Sorry, I just realised it's your direct boss you confided in, not the CEO.

daisychain01 · 31/12/2022 20:32

Pinkbonbon · 31/12/2022 20:28

Tbh I would just reply to that email he sent (to everyone) with- no, I will not be lending my support to x for this position.

Just that. Let people wonder as to why.

Exactly, and there is no need to give any justification, why should you.

you owe him nothing.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 31/12/2022 21:05

Agree. Say that you're unable to sponsor his application due to information you have on his personal conduct. Make it clear you have no reason at all to doubt his professional.competence

agree

Billslills · 01/01/2023 06:39

I didn’t realise your work was so closely linked. Personally, I would just try and move on… I would be concerned that informing your CEO about what has happened could open you up to it backfiring on you. I hope it wouldn’t, but is it worth the risk? And yes, it frustrates me that another d##khead basically gets away with his awful behaviour.

DinosWillGetYou · 01/01/2023 08:01

Nothing useful to add, but just wanted to say how disgusted I am on your behalf OP and I’m sorry this happened. What an absolute shit!
Hope you manage to sort things out, he doesn’t deserve anymore of your headspace!

VisaGeezer · 01/01/2023 08:18

Givinguponthissituation · 31/12/2022 19:58

Well there are developments. I got an email from my CEO, replying to an email from him making an enquiry about the board seat, cc-ing me and several other people in. It basically says “good to hear from you, your case looks strong, you’ll have to speak to givingup and A,B,C other people,” all cc’d in.

Before this happened I also confided in my direct boss (we are quite close) about what happened, as he knows him through work also. I didn’t go into all the dirty details (ie didn’t say he came with me on the business trip) but said he had told me he was divorced, we’d had a short relationship and I’d found out he was married and I was feeling quite cut up about it all. I also mentioned that he’d been trying to get the board seat. Direct boss empathised but said he was not sure what to do about it and suggested I come up with an idea of what I want and we put it to the ceo. He said we could not sever contact with him and his business over this, I’d still have to see him and be professional.

what do you suggest I communicate internally about this?

Can your direct boss not tell the CEO what he's done?

Entered into a relationship with you telling you he's a divorced single Dad, you ended it when you found out he's very much married and with his wife.

Noone has to cut ties with his business, but his behaviour to people in the industry and the position he's putting you in should be exposed.

VisaGeezer · 01/01/2023 08:18

I don't agree that professional and personal integrity are cleanly separate.

beastlyslumber · 01/01/2023 08:30

Pinkbonbon · 31/12/2022 20:28

Tbh I would just reply to that email he sent (to everyone) with- no, I will not be lending my support to x for this position.

Just that. Let people wonder as to why.

Agree with this. Let him panic and let them speculate.

SpentDandelion · 01/01/2023 08:36

Truth is if he wanted to be with you, he would have made time.
He is inconsistent in his effort. Yes he had p!entry of plausible excuses but standing you up like that points to him being with someone else. If he wasn't why couldn't he have contacted you?
Don't be that woman who he can just drop and pick up again like a toy on the shelf.
I would say No, you have made other plans and see how he deals with it. Because l can guarantee he thinks you will bite his hand off. Stay busy and focus on other things, he is setting the tone early on that he's not that consistent or reliable, go on his actions, not his talk. Show him you value yourself, and your absolutely fine with or without him. You could still meet him for drinks etc but really look at how reliable he is now he hasn't got excuse of xmas etc, if is still acts inconsistent then he's a player.

Minimalme · 01/01/2023 08:49

SpentDandelion · 01/01/2023 08:36

Truth is if he wanted to be with you, he would have made time.
He is inconsistent in his effort. Yes he had p!entry of plausible excuses but standing you up like that points to him being with someone else. If he wasn't why couldn't he have contacted you?
Don't be that woman who he can just drop and pick up again like a toy on the shelf.
I would say No, you have made other plans and see how he deals with it. Because l can guarantee he thinks you will bite his hand off. Stay busy and focus on other things, he is setting the tone early on that he's not that consistent or reliable, go on his actions, not his talk. Show him you value yourself, and your absolutely fine with or without him. You could still meet him for drinks etc but really look at how reliable he is now he hasn't got excuse of xmas etc, if is still acts inconsistent then he's a player.

Things have moved on...

Minimalme · 01/01/2023 08:54

Just do whatever you can to get away from this user.

I would email your CEO privately - don't get drawn into CC'd communications. He is hoping that you will feel ashamed and just make the recommendation.

He is a dreadful human being. Just neatly and private remove yourself from the work connection, the less info the better.

Something like "Unfortunately I cannot recommend X" and leave your CEO to tell him his application has not been successful.

JangolinaPitt · 01/01/2023 09:03

Well this was going to get messy even if he had not been married given the fact that you have a say in the professional appointment.

JangolinaPitt · 01/01/2023 09:08

It dos be the question as to whether the whole charade was simply to get the board place. If he did get it will he be in a posting to oust you or make your life difficult?
I would send all the info to his wife pronto then avoid any further contact with her. She is not going to want him to take the board place after that surely and pressure him to withdraw

Doliveira · 01/01/2023 09:27

You feel embarrassed looking at your responses to him, that you were real and emotionally available ! What a total head fuck!

remember, op, you are the sane healthy one in this situation!
x

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