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Genuinely confused about what to do - dating

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Givinguponthissituation · 24/12/2022 06:55

i (40) started seeing a man (48) at the beginning of September. We both have very busy jobs and divorced with DC and live two hours away from each other but both work in London.

At the beginning of dating we had quite an intense experience - seeing each other 2-3 times a week and going away together for 5 days (i went on a work trip and he opted to come with me - he owns his own business) where we first slept together. We both agreed it was wonderful, we got close, loved being together etc, not easy to stay in a hotel room for 5 days with someone you don’t know well etc. He told me he thought he “could really fall for me.”

he warned me in mid-nov that the lead up to Christmas would be crazy busy for him and he’d be less available. I assumed we would snatch time when we could but it did not work out like that. He was in London frequently going to various work related events and saying he would call / text when he had finished but then texting late and saying he was heading home. His DC also got quite ill with bugs (as did everyone) and so he stopped coming into London and worked from home. He was also not particularly consistent with contact. It averaged a few whatsapps every other day and a call 2-3 times a week. I would have liked more but did not over - text and took his lead.

i naturallly withdrew over this period as I took it to mean he was not as into me as I was into him (I certainly would have made the space and effort if I really liked someone.) When I initially withdrew he got upset and called and texted me a series of times telling me it was just difficult during this period and we would see each other a lot in the new year.

there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me. One of them he apparently thought it was too late (the event had gone on until 11.30) and the other he had to get home to look after his DC who were off school with illness the next day. He very much left me to draw conclusions of my own rather than be specific. For eg the first event, I had got dressed up and was waiting by the phone at 9.30 for him to call to say where to meet. Instead he texted at 11.30 saying his event had gone on longer and he was on his way home. No call or anything.

I withdrew again as I felt if he really wanted to see me he would have made the effort.

after 2 days of not responding to his contact with me, he sent me an email and a text. In the email were two tickets to NYC on 22jan and a hotel booking, and the text said the following:

I’m really sorry about the last few weeks. I don’t mean to give mixed messages.
I have an idea what you’re thinking but it’s not true. Work has been frantic, always is at this time as I’m sure it is with you. You are on my mind a lot, and when we speak and I see you it reminds me how much I miss time together. The new year will bring us more time. Xxx

this week I have been away in France with DC and he and I have had balanced, contact. It is not enough for me as it is but the future promise of “next year” keeps me hopeful. I don’t know what to think. Every time I bring it up or give him a chance to get out of it, he insists he doesn’t want that, or. Says something like “please don’t dump me for what I can’t control.”

what do you all think?

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ClarathecrosseyedLioness · 27/12/2022 13:27

@Givinguponthissituation Unbelievable. Just found his FB profile. And his wife's!

Oh dear, oh dear.

Block, flush, delete. Don't engage any more. Otherwise if you are in the same industry anything you do or say could backfire.
Stay classy, don't react and let the Karma bus pay him a visit.
I bet this isn't his first rodeo and it won't be his last but eventually he'll come unstuck.

I'm sorry this has happened to you OP

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 14:04

Did you meet him through work or a dating site.

If it's a dating site, I'd screen shot his dating profile.

If not, I'd just screen shot all incriminating messages - presumably you gave his real name since he's trying to get the industry recommendation thing - and send them to his wife's FB ... Or any other platinum you could send them on to her on.

Can he damage you in any way professionally? Doesn't sound like it.

The vast vast majority of cheated on wives on here have said they wish they'd known.

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 14:05

Sorry, I meant screenshot both his dating profile and all incriminating messages etc. if you met him on old.

Make sure she knows he's invited you in his next business trip , make sure she knows he spent 5 days of your trip with you in a hotel etc.

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 14:07

let the Karma bus pay him a visit

This is karma paying him a visit.

qpmz · 27/12/2022 14:15

I'd go to NYC and have fun! You can decide after that if it's worth continuing.

dontputitthere · 27/12/2022 14:16

qpmz · 27/12/2022 14:15

I'd go to NYC and have fun! You can decide after that if it's worth continuing.

Really @qpmz

What about his wife and kids?

DatingDinosaur · 27/12/2022 14:16

@qpmz err, you did read the full thread didn't you? He's married.

Thingshavebecomeweird · 27/12/2022 14:19

What an arsehole.

Block and delete. Don't give any explanations.

merlotlover · 27/12/2022 14:22

Text "oh dear me! Looks like you won't be getting that nomination" and block him
What an absolute shit bag
So sorry OP what a cnut

ClarathecrosseyedLioness · 27/12/2022 14:23

@Thingshavebecomeweird Block and delete. Don't give any explanations.

That would be my suggestion, let him wonder what's happening.

DuchessofSandwich · 27/12/2022 14:27

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 12:00

I feel pretty shocked tbh. I know you all told me. It's just the reality of seeing it was so different. Family pics, DC, Christmas, the works!

I don't know what to do? Tell him? Tell her?

Don't tell him yet, send her all the proof you have, screenshots, kissy pictures, pictures of your holiday together, his text messages, the llot.

That way you can warn her before he tells her you're a weirdo and to not open the messages.

Block him. Don't block her.

Pinkbonbon · 27/12/2022 14:34

I'd maybe link her to this mumsnet discussion too (if you don't have other posts under your username you want to keep private).

Ladybug14 · 27/12/2022 14:41

I would be very tempted to tell his wife. But I wouldn't if I felt he could hurt your career in any way

Pinkbonbon · 27/12/2022 15:02

If privacy is a concern because if you worķ - You could always make a new profile with a made up name just to send her everything you have on him (black out your name/number on screenshots). Tell her you want to remain private as you work in his industry but thought she should know what he's been up to. I couldn't not tell her, she deserves to know what a using pig he is.

Pinkbonbon · 27/12/2022 15:03

*of your work

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 16:50

Still not heard anything from him today, so just keeping powder dry.

Meanwhile been on whistle-stop tour of his, wife and family photos on FB. What's shocking is he's given me a pretty significant blow by blow of all the events played out on facebook over the last 1.5 months, just without her! Photos I have received via whatsapp but with her cropped out. Or the versions where it's just him and kids. Like he was a single Dad.

I know it's also a weird thing to say, but his wife also looks exactly like me, so he has a type.

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FlowerArranger · 27/12/2022 17:13

She deserves to know!

Ladybug14 · 27/12/2022 17:13

Are you going to message her, OP?

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 17:19

Ladybug14 · 27/12/2022 17:13

Are you going to message her, OP?

I am trying to weigh up damage to my career should he choose to inflict it, vs telling her.

Maybe I will put a bit of distance between me and the telling and send something next week

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 27/12/2022 17:24

Well damm
I’m sorry

im going to chip in with some unsolicited advice
I’d not tell her
no way

it could bounce back on you very negatively on some way
I’ve seen this before

protect yourself as a priority x

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:30

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 16:50

Still not heard anything from him today, so just keeping powder dry.

Meanwhile been on whistle-stop tour of his, wife and family photos on FB. What's shocking is he's given me a pretty significant blow by blow of all the events played out on facebook over the last 1.5 months, just without her! Photos I have received via whatsapp but with her cropped out. Or the versions where it's just him and kids. Like he was a single Dad.

I know it's also a weird thing to say, but his wife also looks exactly like me, so he has a type.

There was a poster on here who was not sexually involved with a man, but emotionally involved and thinking he was just waiting to not be working with her directly anymore to get involved fully.

He sent her messages and pics for a year of more - all presenting himself as single, everything he did presented as on his own or with friends.

Someone dropped him in it to her that he had a long-term partner at home... She checked his FB, found hers and discovered exactly the same thing; she had been on every trip, every night out, every movie, got "his" new pup together etc etc but had been erased by him.

Pinkbonbon · 27/12/2022 17:33

So fucked up that he is literally cropping her out of photos. What a scumbag. Shocking really, that people that heartless and cold exist.

I wonder if he will send women photos of him with he and his kids sat round their Christmas tree opening presents and her just cropped out.

I was thinking if you do tell her then the sooner the better incase he won't leave the home when (if) she confronts him. She might want to leave instead and get a hotel but on actual new-year eve and day they will be pretty booked so the sooner she knows the better. I mean you could wait till after ny but, he might cotton on you know and warn her by then.

Also I mean if it were me, I'd want to know before new year so I could start my new year off getting free of him. If she's active on her fb atm as its holiday season then there might be more chance she gets your message soon too.

DatingDinosaur · 27/12/2022 17:38

I wouldn’t tell her. You went into this “relationship” in good faith, believing him to be single/separated.

Telling her would instantly paint YOU as the OW and no amount of saying you didn’t know he was married would convince her you aren’t a home-wrecker and husband stealer. Can you cope with the backlash from that?

The main thing though, is to end it with him now. Now that you know. At the moment you are knowingly "the other woman".

gogohmm · 27/12/2022 17:39

Sounds fair to me, dating older is not the same, you often have commitments, though we had better phone contact than you.

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:39

but his wife also looks exactly like me, so he has a type

Yeah, when someone suggested the nomination was his goal from the start I thought that was unlikely and that proves it.

It was an opportunistic, added goal - he couldn't pass up.