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Genuinely confused about what to do - dating

289 replies

Givinguponthissituation · 24/12/2022 06:55

i (40) started seeing a man (48) at the beginning of September. We both have very busy jobs and divorced with DC and live two hours away from each other but both work in London.

At the beginning of dating we had quite an intense experience - seeing each other 2-3 times a week and going away together for 5 days (i went on a work trip and he opted to come with me - he owns his own business) where we first slept together. We both agreed it was wonderful, we got close, loved being together etc, not easy to stay in a hotel room for 5 days with someone you don’t know well etc. He told me he thought he “could really fall for me.”

he warned me in mid-nov that the lead up to Christmas would be crazy busy for him and he’d be less available. I assumed we would snatch time when we could but it did not work out like that. He was in London frequently going to various work related events and saying he would call / text when he had finished but then texting late and saying he was heading home. His DC also got quite ill with bugs (as did everyone) and so he stopped coming into London and worked from home. He was also not particularly consistent with contact. It averaged a few whatsapps every other day and a call 2-3 times a week. I would have liked more but did not over - text and took his lead.

i naturallly withdrew over this period as I took it to mean he was not as into me as I was into him (I certainly would have made the space and effort if I really liked someone.) When I initially withdrew he got upset and called and texted me a series of times telling me it was just difficult during this period and we would see each other a lot in the new year.

there we’re two events over the last two weeks that he said he’d see me after (both ended at 9/10 at night) but he went home instead and texted me. One of them he apparently thought it was too late (the event had gone on until 11.30) and the other he had to get home to look after his DC who were off school with illness the next day. He very much left me to draw conclusions of my own rather than be specific. For eg the first event, I had got dressed up and was waiting by the phone at 9.30 for him to call to say where to meet. Instead he texted at 11.30 saying his event had gone on longer and he was on his way home. No call or anything.

I withdrew again as I felt if he really wanted to see me he would have made the effort.

after 2 days of not responding to his contact with me, he sent me an email and a text. In the email were two tickets to NYC on 22jan and a hotel booking, and the text said the following:

I’m really sorry about the last few weeks. I don’t mean to give mixed messages.
I have an idea what you’re thinking but it’s not true. Work has been frantic, always is at this time as I’m sure it is with you. You are on my mind a lot, and when we speak and I see you it reminds me how much I miss time together. The new year will bring us more time. Xxx

this week I have been away in France with DC and he and I have had balanced, contact. It is not enough for me as it is but the future promise of “next year” keeps me hopeful. I don’t know what to think. Every time I bring it up or give him a chance to get out of it, he insists he doesn’t want that, or. Says something like “please don’t dump me for what I can’t control.”

what do you all think?

OP posts:
VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:41

believing him to be single/separated

Sounds like he told her he was divorced.

So she didn't even get involved with, to her, an "only" separated man

Ofcourseshecan · 27/12/2022 17:42

Ansumpasty · 24/12/2022 07:51

I think he sounds fair. He was honest about having a lot on and he has to put his poorly kids first. You aren’t in a serious relationship yet and you don’t know what’s going on in his personal life.

I’d go to NYC but take things slowly and make sure you have a lot going on in your own life, too. Don’t wait by the phone. If that’s not for you, and you want a serious, committed relationship, talk to him to see if it’s a possibility. It doesn’t sound like he’s got the time for that at the moment, though, from what you’ve said

I agree with this.

Thingshavebecomeweird · 27/12/2022 17:43

Ofcourseshecan · 27/12/2022 17:42

I agree with this.

She has discovered that he is MARRIED. Read OP posts..

Iamthewombat · 27/12/2022 17:44

Ofcourseshecan · 27/12/2022 17:42

I agree with this.

Bless you. You haven’t read the thread, have you?

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:44

Telling her would instantly paint YOU as the OW and no amount of saying you didn’t know he was married would convince her you aren’t a home-wrecker and husband stealer.

But op doesn't have to say it, if his messages say it - from the horse's mouth.

(If he has a dating profile that says it, equally good. I'm not sure how op met him).

Clymene · 27/12/2022 17:44

He's a married man who has hoodwinked the OP into having an affair @Ofcourseshecan

He's a liar and a cheat. Why on earth would she want to go to New York with him?Confused

Iamthewombat · 27/12/2022 17:48

Don’t be goaded or egged on into revealing all to this man’s wife, OP. You aren’t obliged to be an avenging angel of marital justice.

You are obviously a smart woman with a good career, and you are only 40. Move on and stay classy. As a PP suggested, let karma take care of him.

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:49

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:44

Telling her would instantly paint YOU as the OW and no amount of saying you didn’t know he was married would convince her you aren’t a home-wrecker and husband stealer.

But op doesn't have to say it, if his messages say it - from the horse's mouth.

(If he has a dating profile that says it, equally good. I'm not sure how op met him).

Also she doesn't have to convince his wife in some ongoing dialogue.... She sends the evidence and either blocks or does it from a temporary account.

Then she's done what she can to alert his wife to her husband's cheating and representing himself in London as a divorced single father; it's up to his wife what she does with that.

And he's not going to give his wife ops full name of contact details .... That would be dangerous for him.

DatingDinosaur · 27/12/2022 17:52

I have to say thanks @VisaGeezer for the lengthy, in-depth critique of my comments Grin

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 17:53

I met him via work, not online dating unfortunately. He told me he was divorced...

OP posts:
VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:57

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 17:53

I met him via work, not online dating unfortunately. He told me he was divorced...

Any messages stating he's divorced or a single Dad?

The cropped out photos are evidence anyway.

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 17:58

Not that you need it when you've got messages making plans to meet, go on a trip together etc.

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 18:01

let karma take care of him

Maybe the fairies will do it.

Ofcourseshecan · 27/12/2022 18:12

Iamthewombat · 27/12/2022 17:44

Bless you. You haven’t read the thread, have you?

Sorree! Caught red-handed. I crept away for a break and had just started reading when I got called back. So I scribbled a quick response because I feared OP was making a mistake …

Ummm, no, that’s me foolishly thinking ‘Ah, give him another chance, he means well’. As I have so often and wrongly in the past!

Iamthewombat · 27/12/2022 18:17

VisaGeezer · 27/12/2022 18:01

let karma take care of him

Maybe the fairies will do it.

Well, they might. More likely he’ll do it again with somebody less smart than the OP: somebody who doesn’t mind risking her career to wreak vengeance on behalf of all womankind.

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 18:23

possibly the email with the booked plane tickets and hotel in NYC will do it... but then he will know it's definitely me. Unless he was planning on simultaneously romancing a few of us out there

OP posts:
Loafbeginsat60 · 27/12/2022 18:37

So sorry Op - how shit.

I'd have to send screen shots I messages / emails about NYC to his wife cos that's just terrible form. What a bastard.

Don't warn him either, just send them to her FB. He deserves all he gets.

Pinkbonbon · 27/12/2022 18:41

Tbf what does it matter if he knows it was you. I mean get hardly gonna go 'yeah I was cheating with her and got caught' at work is he xD maybe I'm spiteful but I would out him everywhere, not just to his wife. I'd tell his boss xD but especially if he is in a job that requires integrity (eg: managing money) or give him power over others (management) or vulnerable groups (care home ect).

Unforgettablehamster · 27/12/2022 18:50

If I were you OP I’d ask myself: what action will be the most beneficial for me? What would help me to keep my integrity intact? What action will help me to move forward?
Don’t act on your current emotions whatever they are (and you have every right to feel them!).

category12 · 27/12/2022 18:50

Givinguponthissituation · 27/12/2022 18:23

possibly the email with the booked plane tickets and hotel in NYC will do it... but then he will know it's definitely me. Unless he was planning on simultaneously romancing a few of us out there

Does it matter if he knows for sure it was you?

If you're going to do it, you're surely going to be no 1 suspect anyway. Unless he does indeed have a stable of mistresses.

No point telling her if it's not solid evidence, as he'll probably make up some shit about you being a loony stalker or something.

Either go in balls to the walls and leave no doubt, or leave them alone.

NotToBeOrToBe · 28/12/2022 17:20

You decided anything OP.

It's so difficult isn't it. Part of me would want to be really dramatic and email her (the poor poor wife) the chats / tickets as the clock strikes midnight on NYE. The other side of we would want the dignity of just blocking him with no explanation.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/12/2022 17:47

Why Is everyone pushing her to contact his wife

are you really thinking of the OP and what’s best for her mental peace ?

VisaGeezer · 28/12/2022 18:22

Why Is everyone pushing her to contact his wife

Everyone isn't, it's quite split.

I'd encourage it because a. His wife should know he represents himself as a divorced, single Dad to people - including people in his industry. She should know he's sending women he's pirdurd relationships with photos of their family with her cropped out. She should know he's sexually active with other women. She should know she's at risk of new STDs she would've thought she was not at risk of. Including potentially "silent" ones like clamydia and HPV. She should know he has "companions on his business trips..She should know he's making a farce of their marriage. She should know he probably spends some family money on other women. I could go on.

If she knows about this, if there's any other abuse (and this is a type of abuse) in their relationship or if she's caught him before, she might decide to get out.

If she doesn't at least she'll.know, if he's caught again in future, that's it's not the first time and will be less likely to fall for the depression, one off, out of character, you were ignoring me etc script and waste more of her life with him; the man who crops her out of photos to send to women he's fucking.

Op has been the victim of a kind of fraud by him too, and he should face the natural consequences of inflicting "romantic" fraud on another person.

VisaGeezer · 28/12/2022 18:26

Unknowing ow are expected to take it on the chin and walk off - why? Someone has deceived, used, abused, hurt and possibly even traumatised them, wrecked their trust in other people, future faked them, exploited them (and this man wasn't even going to leave the exploitation at sexual and emotional, he was going for professional too) ... Why should she take it on the chin. Why should he have no consequences for his abuse of her.

There are two women who are victims here and they both deserve his behaviour to be outed, out into the light.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 28/12/2022 20:56

VisaGeezer

for me it’s a risky thing for the OP
the wife could turn nasty
he could turn nasty

she could open a can of worms and find herself on the receiving end of abusive messages or worse

she doesn’t know what they are like

and it’s turns from what was a bad fling into something way more upsetting
and maybe something that upsets her more than this