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Help about to break up with insecure partner, need advice.

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 10:19

Need some advice, saw the thread on here about an insecure boyfriend and it resonated with some of my issues but I wanted to start my own thread as I am in a quandary about my current partner.

We have been together for 16 months. Both divorced and hit it off straight from the outset and were madly in love within weeks...
Talked about moving in together and I even got my coil removed on the very slim off chance we might conceive although I'm 42 and suffered premature menopause.

2 months in we had our first misunderstanding when I went on holiday
with a longstanding male travel buddy. All was fine until I made a flip comment about the naked sauna and he kicked off about it. I thought it was all my fault for the thoughtless comment and was very apologetic and worried Id killed off our budding relationship.

2 months later we went away together and ended up having our first proper row as I organised everything and was really stressed and he came along for the ride- he got on his high horse and wouldnt listen to me trying to explain to help him understand me (I'm under a lot of stress and people take advantage of the fact that I look calm on the surface but am paddling furiously underneath to keep afloat. I spent the night and next day crying as I didn't like the cold hard lecturing side of him but he later recognised he had been a dick and let me do everything and would never let that happen again.

Since then there has been a gradual deterioration and I have seen that side of him more and more despite becoming more and more fragile myself (anxiety/stress/depression
and two road traffic accidents leading to ongoing injuries and lots of work stress/bullying where I felt forced to resign and had months of stressful jobseeking).

As far as I can make out the times that he turns nasty are all because he is jealous/insecure but he reacts badly if I say that and says it is a perceived lack of commitment on my part. And he's right- I pull back when he behaves like this and said we shouldn't move in after all once we started arguing, to protect both our kids from potential fallout, have refused to book non-cancellable holidays long in
advance and even got my coil put back in, partly to help my hormones but partly because I didn't want to risk getting pregnant.
So he is right that I am not committing as I am essentially protecting myself and my kids (and his) from what has become a turbulent relationship.

When he is not being a cold,impatient, stubborn rock we get on amazingly well, I am ridiculously attracted to him and we have the best sex I've ever had. Passion is not the problem and he thinks I am silly to throw our relationship away but he has pushed me so hard I've had panic attacks and begun to have suicidal thoughts and he doesn't stop haranguing me or arguing with me until after I'm a sobbing heap saying that we are through and usually he eventually admits he was a dick and apologises and we are ok until the next time, but my trusting him with my fragile mental state reduces with each incident. He reacts to this with more pressure to commit and we end up arguing again. Apparently he and his ex wife used to argue a lot but it wasn't a problem- I'm just not built like that at the best of times let alone when I'm having mental health issues but he is physically incapable of biting his tongue or treating me with compassion.

Does anyone think there is any hope?

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DisplayPurposesOnly · 22/11/2022 12:51

Honestly this just gets more crazy. He bullies you into booking (paying for him?) holidays to show your commitment?? Whilst you're taking beta blockers, anti depressants and therapy to cope with your relationship with him??

Again, there is no hope for your relationship.

Watchkeys · 22/11/2022 12:54

Do you really think that in a health relationship, you'd have to spend money on trips to 'prove your commitment'?

Commitment is proven by an ongoing attitude of love and respect, and ultimately, possibly, a legal commitment in the form of marriage. Your relationship is nowhere near this.

Opentooffers · 22/11/2022 12:54

Why is it down to you to book all the trips? Has he booked any?
I don't quite get the falling out on holiday as he wouldn't let you get on with your plans, but then on a subsequent holiday seeming to make all the plans and him being resentful at having to step back, but at the same time claiming that he got to relax while you arranged everything whilst in pain? You can't have it both ways, plan together, or one of you does it. But if you insist on planning alone, you can't then be bitter about that.
The rest however, is kicking you when you are down. Maybe you are 2 alpha people who both want to be in charge, so far he has let you be, but resents it and picks on you because of it. I don't think you'll ever work well together. You are doing too much to try and hold this together, and wasting thousands on holidays that are destined to be rubbish.

Watchkeys · 22/11/2022 12:55

How does he 'prove his commitment' to you? Is there an imbalance between what you do and what he does?

deeperthanallroses · 22/11/2022 12:57

I’m really glad you have a travel buddy so you still have someone to go on holiday with after you’ve booted this guy to the kerb asap

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:00

Ragwort · 22/11/2022 10:54

It's a bit like saying 'when he's not beating or hitting me we get on amazingly well'. Hmm. I despair about some of the threads on here ... women putting up with abusive, horrible treatment just so they can say 'We have the best sex ever'.
Do you have a daughter... would you want her to accept a relationship like this? Do you have a son ... would you want him to treat a partner like that?

I have told him before that when I am upset and he is arguing with me it is like Celeste in big little lies curled up in a ball on the bathroom floor while he kicks her. I don't think he agrees with the comparison as he is very black and white

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:04

Opentooffers · 22/11/2022 12:54

Why is it down to you to book all the trips? Has he booked any?
I don't quite get the falling out on holiday as he wouldn't let you get on with your plans, but then on a subsequent holiday seeming to make all the plans and him being resentful at having to step back, but at the same time claiming that he got to relax while you arranged everything whilst in pain? You can't have it both ways, plan together, or one of you does it. But if you insist on planning alone, you can't then be bitter about that.
The rest however, is kicking you when you are down. Maybe you are 2 alpha people who both want to be in charge, so far he has let you be, but resents it and picks on you because of it. I don't think you'll ever work well together. You are doing too much to try and hold this together, and wasting thousands on holidays that are destined to be rubbish.

I wasn't complaining about the booking of the trips- it was when we were on a big blended family holiday that I spent all the time cooking and cleaning and shopping and applying for jobs and didn't even open a book while he sat by the pool and watched films with the kids. He didn't realise I thought it was a disaster as he and the kids had fun and he was only worried about whether his son had a good time and not concerned about me despite my physical and emotional strain and real need for a break. He said I should have asked him to help and do stuff but i am not used to having to ask a grown man to do the cooking or whatever, I thought he would notice eventually!

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:09

I should also clarify that when he suggested a villa holiday I said I didn't like villas because it was a busman's holiday where I didn't get a break. In fact it was more stressful than just taking my own two on my own as his son is an incredibly picky eater so I was cooking extra stuff for him, and he also didn't like the beach so we spent only two hours of a ten day holiday 500 m from the coast at the beach.

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TheShellBeach · 22/11/2022 13:14

OP, I think you'll be relieved when this doomed relationship ends, because this msn is an abusive bully.

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:17

Watchkeys · 22/11/2022 12:55

How does he 'prove his commitment' to you? Is there an imbalance between what you do and what he does?

As far as I can tell by believing we are fine despite all the arguments and still thinking we should book holidays/move in together despite the conflict!

He has also been known to buy me expensive jewellery and then demand it back if I am saying I'm unsure of us due to the arguments. He actually cried recently when I told him his bloody earrings were in a drawer in his house awaiting the next time he picked a fight and demanded them back! He begged me to take them back and I did only for him to be asking for them back again a week later. Never mind that I have spent thousands of pounds on holidays and told him I'm happy to pay.

This week I have told him repeatedly that I don't need expensive jewellery, I need compassion and patience and understanding and for him to bite his tongue when he wants to say something inflammatory, but he just can't seem to do it. Apparently he bought me some more diamond jewellery this week for my birthday but has sent it back now. He actually said don't you like jewellery and I said I don't like being beaten over the head with it!!

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maranella · 22/11/2022 13:21

If a relationship just seems like too much hard work OP, walk away. When things are meant to be they simply aren't this much misery and drama.

I fear this guy is abusive and he's only just getting started.

xfan · 22/11/2022 13:21

He sounds like a glorified fwb. Why do you feel the need to be on a relationship with him still?

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:23

xfan · 22/11/2022 13:21

He sounds like a glorified fwb. Why do you feel the need to be on a relationship with him still?

99% of the time (not this week) he is lovely and we have a great time together. The other 1% is like a cold grey rock and completely misaligned to the man I love

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Peridot1 · 22/11/2022 13:24

Is here any hope for what? Him to change? No. He’s a bully and bullies doesn’t change. He enjoys picking fights with you and making you cry.

Even if your DC like him they don’t deserve what he is doing to your mental health. You are having SUICIDAL thoughts because of him. How is that good for your DC?

Rowen32 · 22/11/2022 13:28

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 11:16

I am trying to change- on anxiety/depression medication and having cpd. And now on beta blockers for when he makes me have a physical stress reaction.

He has told me a number of times he wouldn't change. I guess I should have listened, but he swears he loves me completely and would do anything for me except stopping picking fights with me when I have begged him not to

Have you ever considered your mental health is worsening because of him? You have literally said you're taking a medication to cope with his behaviour? How on any earthly plane is that the sign of a good relationship to you?
Honestly, be honest with yourself, that is not okay.
I also don't believe it's only 1% of the time you're having problems, all you've spelled out is ongoing and so detrimental and awful..

ValerieDoonican · 22/11/2022 13:34

He's "lovely" a lot of the time because it suits him to have you believing this could be a nice relationship. But he treats you APPALLINGLY! your life is a shit sandwich and he is standing over you making you eat it.

And as for this nonsense with the expensive holidays and diamond jewellery that you are constantly haggling over with each other. Its bizarre, childish, and has nothing to do with actual love, liking , or respect so far as I can see.

You don't say anything about your previous relationship but I'd recommend you take a long break before getting into another one.

TheShellBeach · 22/11/2022 13:39

My ex-husband was violent and abusive. After I left him, he gave me £1,000. (This was in 1989)
I really believe that he thought the money would somehow make up to me for his years of cruelty.
It didn't, needless to say. I kept the money and continued with the divorce.

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 22/11/2022 13:40

If you stop paying for his holidays you can buy your own diamonds.

Seriously, reread all of your posts and imagine this was a friend of yours, what would you say to her?

You really need to get rid, be kind to yourself please.

I think if he's like this now in the "honeymoon period" he will only get worse when you move in together.

Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:48

Thanks guys, these are all things I've said and thought myself and the reason I've been pulling away. But I am trying to be empathetic and acknowledge that he is insecure (his wife cheated on him) and that my pulling away has hurt him even if I think it's necessary for my own protection.

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Bedraggledmumoftwo · 22/11/2022 13:52

I'm just heartbroken and in denial. I had a horrific divorce from a coercively controlling partner and now I feel like he is also coercive, although less subtle about it and more in a sledgehammer telling me all the ways in which I am failing him and our relationship, which I've told him I can't take.

I was single for years before I met him, it seemed like the right time and everyone was so happy for me. And I was so happy. I'm just devastated that he hasn't been able to control the things that he knows hurt me

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Branleuse · 22/11/2022 13:53

that sounds like a nightmare, although I do think that some of the comments youve made sound like a wind-up. I absolutely cant imagine my dh being ok with the naked sauna comment, or a holiday with an ex, and i wouldnt be ok with it vice versa either. That would make me feel so insecure.
His conflict style is awful though, and you both threatening to leave each other all the time just sounds really immature. He doesnt seem to know when to back off, and ends up taking it to a horrible abusive level. All in all, despite the good sex, you need to admit that this is toxic.

Merlott · 22/11/2022 13:55

I am so confused reading all of this.
It sounds absolutely awful.
Do you not think about your kids and what the impact of all this drama and negativity is having on them?

Their mum is taking medication to cope with an abusive partner? I can't even get my head around how you think any of this is normal or OK.

Is this what you want your life to be like?
You can dump him you know!

Are you scared that when you finish him he will hurt you physically or attack your house or kids? What is going on?

billy1966 · 22/11/2022 13:59

Oh OP, finish with him by text.
Send anything you have by courier and te him NEVER to contact you again.

You AND your children are in an abusive relationship.

Can you not see that.

You cannot allow any man to put you at risk like this.

Your poor children seeing you under such absolutely shocking stress.

Please think of your children if not yourself.

He is a bad, dangerous man.

Stop engaging with him.

Contact Women's aid for support.

If he comes near your house, contact police.

ShellsOnTheBeach · 22/11/2022 14:02

You can do one of 2 things:

(1) bin him

(2) print off your posts and highlight anything that seems disturbing or upsetting you. And then bin him.

Either way, you need a time out to recalibrate. I can almost guarantee that your anxiety will dissipate without this abusive POS is out of your life.

GetThatHelmetOn · 22/11/2022 14:03

He is nice to your kids because that gives him power over you but honestly… do you think it is a good example for your kids to see their mother destroyed by a partner? They are learning how to gas light their future partners, how to minimise their views and above all, how to frighten them into staying.

You are in an abusive relationship, get in touch with women’s aid for advice on how to get the strength to break free.