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Long Term Relationship - Mortgage Issues

166 replies

CB20 · 19/11/2022 17:04

Hi All,

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds.

A bit of background for context. I met my partner 11 years ago, we have been properly together for 9 years, and lived together for 7 years. (Not married, no children)

When we met, he was at uni, so I often paid for more things (not living together at this point). Once he started working and we moved in together, we have always split everything 50/50 rent/bills/food etc. for the past 7 years.

He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50.

We said we were going to buy a house towards the end of 2021, but Covid happened and I ended up furloughed and on £800 per month, he still had his £100K salary working from home. I still payed half of the rent and bills, which wiped out my £800, so I could not save towards a deposit. He still had his job, plus had minimal expenses because of lockdown, so managed to save £50K, and his family very kindly gave him another £50K for a deposit.

He still wanted to buy at the end of 2021. I asked him to wait a year, as I was working again so I could save towards a deposit, he said no. I offered to sell my car to give £10K towards a deposit, and he said no. I asked to be put on the mortgage, with his deposit ring-fenced, I have no interest in trying to take his deposit, and he said no. He made up some excuses about us not being able to get the mortgage if I was on it that didn't make sense (as I was working again and have a very good credit score), but I had a lot going on with family at the time, so didn't probe more on this. I got upset a few times and said I felt we weren't a team, and should I just move back in with family, and he was just buying a house on his own - to which he said he would be our house. He then said that we would get an agreement that ring-fenced what he put in, and what I would be contributing, so I thought that this would happen and we would get an agreement, which would be fine. In fact, at one point he was even saying he only wanted to ring fence what his family put in, and that what he put in would be split with me, which he didn't have to do, as i was happy for him to protect all of his deposit - however, this is not what has happened since, so I feel like this all might have been a lie to placate me.

So we then moved into the property, and I paid for half of the renovations which cost £5K each, plus I have paid for half of the mortgage from the start which is £865 each per month, plus half of the bills/food/everything else.

3 months in, I brought up the subject of the agreement, as nothing had materialised and I was paying for half of everything. He got very angry and said this would cost a few grand at a solicitors. So I questioned why he didn't just put me on the mortgage from the start, ring-fencing his deposit of course, as that wouldn't have cost anything. He then said I was "money grabbing", and "must have thought I had won the lottery". I was very hurt and confused by this, as we have been together so long, and I have always contributed half towards everything, even though I earned less money (there were extenuating circumstances/I asked him to wait and offered to sell my car, so I deffo wasn't money grabbing). In fact, I went to uni later (different background from him), and only graduated recently, but I made sure I still worked all through my degree to make sure I paid for half of everything, so I have never sat on my butt doing nothing expecting a free ride, we are just from different backgrounds. Even recently I have had to take on more work to support my family (I don't have kids it was for an unwell family member). I then said to him that when he saved for his deposit, I was furloughed with very little and still paid for half the rent/bills etc, whilst he was on £100K (plus bonus), so perhaps if he had contributed more proportionally, I would have had something to put towards the deposit - he then was very angry and said "what, you expect handouts". He then also said the house wouldn't be half mine just because I was paying for half of it, and I said obviously I knew it wasn't fully half mine, as £100K worth is his ring-fenced, but then after that I thought it would be half and half, as I was paying for half of everything, to which he said it wasn't at all, and I was "trying to get a windfall". This is completely different to the agreement that he said to me we would have before we moved in - which at one point he was even saying he would only ring-fence what his family put in.

Anyway, this really played on my mind. A lot was going on in my family life, a family member became unwell, which needed a lot of focus and attention emotionally, and was costing a lot of money, so I took on extra work. I was (and still am) working Mon-Fri 9am - 5pm, plus I work Mon/Weds/Fri/Saturday night 10:30pm - 2am. So I was very busy, emotionally drained, and very tired. He knows how hard I work and how tired I am, I regularly fall asleep driving on the way home from my second job, so it's not like I am lazy and expect handouts. However, still no agreement materialised. so when 6 months passed, I called a break. I told him that I felt taken for granted, and felt like he was not committed, that he doesn't want to act like a team or partnership, so he needed to make his mind up - it's either that or he's controlling, and that he just wanted everything his way - he gets half his mortgage and half the renovations paid on a house that is all his. Plus, whilst I am paying for half his mortgage, I can't afford to save up for one of my own. Plus, it is quite hard to even get a mortgage on an average salary alone, I always thought we were going to do it together as a team, so I am not sure I will even be able to get one alone.

Anyway, the break dragged on with no resolution, we are talking more again, so I asked about it again. Now he is saying that because I went on a break with him, he definitely won't put me on the house, not for a few years and even then "I shouldn't get my hopes up", and that what I am paying him is rent (this is very different to what he said when we moved in). I also literally went on a break with him because of this, so it seems very circular. I have tried again from a different position, as I have said that if the house is all his, and he doesn't want me on the deeds or mortgage, then I shouldn't be paying the mortgage - and I especially shouldn't be paying it, as when we moved, I moved in under the premise that we were getting this agreement and I had a stake in the house, that is why I was paying for half of everything - and now he is saying that what I am paying him is rent. He is furious about this and has said that I need to pay it as rent, or move out.

He said today that he thinks I don't "deserve" to be on the mortgage/deeds because I didn't save for a deposit, but, as I mentioned above covid happened - which he said was "very convenient"/I asked him to wait a year/ offered to sell my car etc, plus have always paid for half and of course expected him to ring-fence and protect his deposit. Plus, I would never had had the level of his deposit anyway, as I was on an average salary, plus paying half the rent - he is on £100K plus deposit, plus family help - so I would never have had anywhere near what he has put in. Lots of my friends were in similar situations, with someone having a bigger deposit, but people just protect and ring-fence it. I would understand if I was a new partner, or he had had bought the house before he met me, but we have been together so long, planned to buy together (there were extenuating circumstances and he didn't want to wait), and I have always contributed half of everything. In fact, my family live 10 minutes away, his live in the countryside 3 hours away, but he moved to London to work here, so I could have lived with my family down the road and saved if I had known we weren't a partnership/team, as I've spent about £67K in rent/bills living with him for the past 7 years.

I guess I am just posting this, as I don't know if I am crazy and unreasonable really, and just want some opinions please. Should I be paying for half of the mortgage if I am not on the mortgage/deeds? Should I be paying it when the terms have changed, he originally said we would have an agreement that gave me a stake in the house, but now he's saying what I am paying is rent - which tbh is what I think he planned all along, or he would have got the agreement drawn up from the start right? I've paid £13,650 in mortgage payments and for the renovations since we moved in 10 months ago, under the premise that I had a stake in the house and we were getting an agreement drawn up, which didn't materialise, and I've since been told that what I am paying him will be rent. I think, if he had told me this from the start, I would have moved back in with my family to save my own deposit, as I would have felt we weren't a team and he wasn't committed.

If I don't pay his mortgage, then I could save for my own mortgage, my family member is a little better now and I still have both the jobs - so I might be offered a big enough mortgage by the bank as my salary looks better, but I can't keep up both the jobs forever, as I am falling asleep driving home, so it isn't ideal - plus I have no social life and am very tired. Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

Sorry it was so long...

OP posts:
CarelessSquid07A · 19/11/2022 17:10

Just leave he's never going to do what you want.

MadMadMadamMim · 19/11/2022 17:15

Stop paying the mortgage. In fact, stop paying anything. Tell him you will be moving out.

Then go. Seriously, don't give him another penny. Fob him off til you're in a position to rent somewhere.

He's an utter wanker and you could do so much better.

F4chrissakes · 19/11/2022 17:19

Dunno what this is, but it ain't a partnership. LTB. Might be nice to get back some of the money you have put into improving his property, but I'll bet the tight git makes it awkward, so you'll probably be better to write it off to experience.

RandomMess · 19/11/2022 17:24

Stop paying half the mortgage and save that instead.

He doesn't see you as an equal or partner does he?

CatherinedeBourgh · 19/11/2022 17:24

Do you have any evidence of what you contributed towards renovations?

If so, ask him for that money back.

Then leave.

Or if you prefer, stay (without paying anything) until you 'get back' the 5k you put into renovations.

Then leave.

MayMoveMayNot · 19/11/2022 17:28

I got half way through your post, I could see where it was going.

Leave him, he won't change.

Anyone on 100K a year with their partner earning so much less expecting be 50/50 is a selfish arse.

Stop paying him anything and look to get out.

sussexman · 19/11/2022 17:32

That all looks pretty bad to me. Bottom line though if you don't "deserve", an awful word, to be on the deeds, then it is his mortgage to pay and not yours.

I know you aren't married, but the lines in the old marriage service "for richer for poorer" are pertinent here - a relationship is about working together at life, not a transactional arrangement dependent on who can pay their way at any one moment in time.

Soontobe60 · 19/11/2022 17:33

He’s taking you for an absolute mug. Stop paying the mortgage immediately. If it means your relationship is over then so be it.
Let’s imagine he bought the house for £450K and paid a 50K deposit. The mortgage is £400K. You are paying half the mortgage. If you split up in 5 years, assuming the mortgage rate was 2.5% and didnt increase, you will have paid £61,000 off the mortgage between you. He currently will keep all of that. You will not see one solitary penny. That’s £30,000.

MyDarlingWhatIfYouFly · 19/11/2022 17:39

He sounds like a complete tight arse. I earn a lot more than my husband and we pay bills and mortgage proportionally - I would never expect us to be 50/50.

Ask for your renovation money back, leave and then find someone who values you and your contribution to (what should be) joint assets.

LifeIsGreatForUnicorns · 19/11/2022 17:41

This is never going to get any better I’m afraid 😞
I would do as a previous poster and stay for 6 months rent free (where you can save your 5k that you paid for in renovations back) - contribute half the bills only and get yourself your own place to live
He is NOT your PARTNER otherwise he would never have asked you for your furlough money and partners pay proportionally
If you were to have a child together, when you are on Maternity leave will he be expecting you to continue paying your half (when in reality you will be getting less than that?)
He sounds like a wrong ‘un and very selfish.
If you wish to continue as a couple you need to work on what a couple should be - as previous posters have said it should be about supporting each other through good times and bad - this feels very transactional and he seems to “know his own worth” in that he thinks as he earns more than you he is “worth” more - when in actual fact he’s an arse!

Whoopsies · 19/11/2022 17:48

I honestly don't know how you could stay with him. I know I have 'old fashioned views' on mn, but I couldn't stay with a partner who earned 100k+ and let me work 2 jobs, days and nights just to make ends meet. That is disgusting imo.

Dragonskin · 19/11/2022 17:51

You shouldn't have paid for any renovations without the agreement in place. I would tell him that if he won't put you on then you want that back, then I would leave. He is never going to put you into those deeds

felded · 19/11/2022 17:52

Dump him. However if it was my house & my deposit I wouldn't be added my partner to the mortgage.

Januarcelebration · 19/11/2022 17:53

I would never joint own a home with someone again tbh. But my situation is different in that I wouldn’t get married, ever, and already have my own kids and won’t have more. I would guess you probably would want marriage and/or kids. Though I could be wrong.

You see you as a partnership. He sees you as 2 separate people who have a romantic relationship. How he sees things is the only way I would have a relationship now. The difference is I wouldn’t be stringing someone along who clearly has a different idea of what they want. I wouldn’t lie. I am upfront about it. I wouldn’t tell someone we were buying together and go ahead when they were ready, tell them it was going to be joint and not.

I wouldn’t let someone else pay for half the work doing on the house, with no intention of ever actually sharing it.

I can’t see how this would work with 2 people who view a relationship so differently. Especially if you do want marriage and/or kids. If I were you I would walk away. I would set my life up how I wanted and wait until someone who wanted the same things came along.

BlueSuffragette · 19/11/2022 17:54

He treats you with disrespect and no way does he see your relationship as a partnership. Ask for the money back you paid for renovations. Stop paying anything to do with HIS property. Leave the relationship and value your own self worth. He may be rich but he's mean and selfish. Move on with your life.

Thomaslovesalison · 19/11/2022 17:57

Wow. Stop paying his mortgage right now.

Acheyknees · 19/11/2022 17:57

Anyone that implied I was money grabber and 'I was expecting a windfall' would be quickly kicked into touch. Its not a partnership. Get rid.

Thomaslovesalison · 19/11/2022 17:58

And I'm sorry sorry but WHY did you pay for renovations to a property you had no financial interest in at all. He's done a complete number on you.

Thomaslovesalison · 19/11/2022 18:00

Whoopsies · 19/11/2022 17:48

I honestly don't know how you could stay with him. I know I have 'old fashioned views' on mn, but I couldn't stay with a partner who earned 100k+ and let me work 2 jobs, days and nights just to make ends meet. That is disgusting imo.

AND take £800 a month from the towards a mortgage that's not even in their name. Surely nobody could be as heinously unfair as that...

Tessabelle74 · 19/11/2022 18:00

So he's used you to save up a lovely deposit, but calls YOU the money grabber? Run OP, please don't go back to him, he's a dick and you'll never see your name on those deeds

Thomaslovesalison · 19/11/2022 18:01

Please don't throw any more money on this arrangement. I feel awful for you.

EVHead · 19/11/2022 18:05

You’ve been way too passive. How come he’s in charge? And what’s this 50-50 nonsense?

Fuck that - he’s a git and you deserve better.

Zanatdy · 19/11/2022 18:06

He’s a selfish arse. Leave and save for your own house. Funny how your rent payment is half the mortgage isn’t it. Someone paying rent doesn’t pay for renovations etc, so I’d be asking him for a refund. Trust me men like him don’t change

lotuspie · 19/11/2022 18:08

One word for you. LTB

Augustlou30 · 19/11/2022 18:20

Please don't stay with this man and certainly don't have children with him. As pp have said this I no partnership and I doubt you'll ever see any of your money again. I can't even believe this post is real it just sounds so awful. I'm on a few single mums groups with women who have married this man, had children and now they make their lives he'll and they have nothing. Please leave now and build your life for you, there are good men out there who want the same things xxx