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Long Term Relationship - Mortgage Issues

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CB20 · 19/11/2022 17:04

Hi All,

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds.

A bit of background for context. I met my partner 11 years ago, we have been properly together for 9 years, and lived together for 7 years. (Not married, no children)

When we met, he was at uni, so I often paid for more things (not living together at this point). Once he started working and we moved in together, we have always split everything 50/50 rent/bills/food etc. for the past 7 years.

He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50.

We said we were going to buy a house towards the end of 2021, but Covid happened and I ended up furloughed and on £800 per month, he still had his £100K salary working from home. I still payed half of the rent and bills, which wiped out my £800, so I could not save towards a deposit. He still had his job, plus had minimal expenses because of lockdown, so managed to save £50K, and his family very kindly gave him another £50K for a deposit.

He still wanted to buy at the end of 2021. I asked him to wait a year, as I was working again so I could save towards a deposit, he said no. I offered to sell my car to give £10K towards a deposit, and he said no. I asked to be put on the mortgage, with his deposit ring-fenced, I have no interest in trying to take his deposit, and he said no. He made up some excuses about us not being able to get the mortgage if I was on it that didn't make sense (as I was working again and have a very good credit score), but I had a lot going on with family at the time, so didn't probe more on this. I got upset a few times and said I felt we weren't a team, and should I just move back in with family, and he was just buying a house on his own - to which he said he would be our house. He then said that we would get an agreement that ring-fenced what he put in, and what I would be contributing, so I thought that this would happen and we would get an agreement, which would be fine. In fact, at one point he was even saying he only wanted to ring fence what his family put in, and that what he put in would be split with me, which he didn't have to do, as i was happy for him to protect all of his deposit - however, this is not what has happened since, so I feel like this all might have been a lie to placate me.

So we then moved into the property, and I paid for half of the renovations which cost £5K each, plus I have paid for half of the mortgage from the start which is £865 each per month, plus half of the bills/food/everything else.

3 months in, I brought up the subject of the agreement, as nothing had materialised and I was paying for half of everything. He got very angry and said this would cost a few grand at a solicitors. So I questioned why he didn't just put me on the mortgage from the start, ring-fencing his deposit of course, as that wouldn't have cost anything. He then said I was "money grabbing", and "must have thought I had won the lottery". I was very hurt and confused by this, as we have been together so long, and I have always contributed half towards everything, even though I earned less money (there were extenuating circumstances/I asked him to wait and offered to sell my car, so I deffo wasn't money grabbing). In fact, I went to uni later (different background from him), and only graduated recently, but I made sure I still worked all through my degree to make sure I paid for half of everything, so I have never sat on my butt doing nothing expecting a free ride, we are just from different backgrounds. Even recently I have had to take on more work to support my family (I don't have kids it was for an unwell family member). I then said to him that when he saved for his deposit, I was furloughed with very little and still paid for half the rent/bills etc, whilst he was on £100K (plus bonus), so perhaps if he had contributed more proportionally, I would have had something to put towards the deposit - he then was very angry and said "what, you expect handouts". He then also said the house wouldn't be half mine just because I was paying for half of it, and I said obviously I knew it wasn't fully half mine, as £100K worth is his ring-fenced, but then after that I thought it would be half and half, as I was paying for half of everything, to which he said it wasn't at all, and I was "trying to get a windfall". This is completely different to the agreement that he said to me we would have before we moved in - which at one point he was even saying he would only ring-fence what his family put in.

Anyway, this really played on my mind. A lot was going on in my family life, a family member became unwell, which needed a lot of focus and attention emotionally, and was costing a lot of money, so I took on extra work. I was (and still am) working Mon-Fri 9am - 5pm, plus I work Mon/Weds/Fri/Saturday night 10:30pm - 2am. So I was very busy, emotionally drained, and very tired. He knows how hard I work and how tired I am, I regularly fall asleep driving on the way home from my second job, so it's not like I am lazy and expect handouts. However, still no agreement materialised. so when 6 months passed, I called a break. I told him that I felt taken for granted, and felt like he was not committed, that he doesn't want to act like a team or partnership, so he needed to make his mind up - it's either that or he's controlling, and that he just wanted everything his way - he gets half his mortgage and half the renovations paid on a house that is all his. Plus, whilst I am paying for half his mortgage, I can't afford to save up for one of my own. Plus, it is quite hard to even get a mortgage on an average salary alone, I always thought we were going to do it together as a team, so I am not sure I will even be able to get one alone.

Anyway, the break dragged on with no resolution, we are talking more again, so I asked about it again. Now he is saying that because I went on a break with him, he definitely won't put me on the house, not for a few years and even then "I shouldn't get my hopes up", and that what I am paying him is rent (this is very different to what he said when we moved in). I also literally went on a break with him because of this, so it seems very circular. I have tried again from a different position, as I have said that if the house is all his, and he doesn't want me on the deeds or mortgage, then I shouldn't be paying the mortgage - and I especially shouldn't be paying it, as when we moved, I moved in under the premise that we were getting this agreement and I had a stake in the house, that is why I was paying for half of everything - and now he is saying that what I am paying him is rent. He is furious about this and has said that I need to pay it as rent, or move out.

He said today that he thinks I don't "deserve" to be on the mortgage/deeds because I didn't save for a deposit, but, as I mentioned above covid happened - which he said was "very convenient"/I asked him to wait a year/ offered to sell my car etc, plus have always paid for half and of course expected him to ring-fence and protect his deposit. Plus, I would never had had the level of his deposit anyway, as I was on an average salary, plus paying half the rent - he is on £100K plus deposit, plus family help - so I would never have had anywhere near what he has put in. Lots of my friends were in similar situations, with someone having a bigger deposit, but people just protect and ring-fence it. I would understand if I was a new partner, or he had had bought the house before he met me, but we have been together so long, planned to buy together (there were extenuating circumstances and he didn't want to wait), and I have always contributed half of everything. In fact, my family live 10 minutes away, his live in the countryside 3 hours away, but he moved to London to work here, so I could have lived with my family down the road and saved if I had known we weren't a partnership/team, as I've spent about £67K in rent/bills living with him for the past 7 years.

I guess I am just posting this, as I don't know if I am crazy and unreasonable really, and just want some opinions please. Should I be paying for half of the mortgage if I am not on the mortgage/deeds? Should I be paying it when the terms have changed, he originally said we would have an agreement that gave me a stake in the house, but now he's saying what I am paying is rent - which tbh is what I think he planned all along, or he would have got the agreement drawn up from the start right? I've paid £13,650 in mortgage payments and for the renovations since we moved in 10 months ago, under the premise that I had a stake in the house and we were getting an agreement drawn up, which didn't materialise, and I've since been told that what I am paying him will be rent. I think, if he had told me this from the start, I would have moved back in with my family to save my own deposit, as I would have felt we weren't a team and he wasn't committed.

If I don't pay his mortgage, then I could save for my own mortgage, my family member is a little better now and I still have both the jobs - so I might be offered a big enough mortgage by the bank as my salary looks better, but I can't keep up both the jobs forever, as I am falling asleep driving home, so it isn't ideal - plus I have no social life and am very tired. Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

Sorry it was so long...

OP posts:
billy1966 · 09/12/2022 08:57

OP, whats to understand here?

It really couldn't be plainer.

You have been 100% used.

He has a home in his sole name.

He has absolutely no intention whatsoever of sharing that house with you.

I honestly cannot understand why you cannot see what is right in front of you.

You are a lodger who he is 100% ripping off.

He thinks you are a desperate mug.

You need to register an interest in that house and tell him if he doesn't repay every penny of what you have overpaid that you will pursue him.

Stop those bills being paid from your account.

OP, face up to your reality.

Denial and hoping things will be different will get you nowhere in life.

The reality is he has used you.

Please help yourself.

cantba · 09/12/2022 08:57

Op i've just read your update. I would move out. Let him marry you and show his commitment or move on. That's the real issue here.

Quitelikeit · 09/12/2022 09:04

Your update is very sad.

this guy has used you enormously for
his own financial gain.

you should not be paying all of the bills yourself.

well done for stopping your mortgage payments now it’s time to step forward again and insist on half of the bills - or simply stop all the direct debits - strange how you pay them all from your account - are they in your name too? How did that come about?

this has got nothing to do with love this guy is greedy and tight. ‘What’s mine is mine and I’ll have some of what is yours too’

you know he is sitting very tight on his 100k deposit and quite delighted about the whole financial arrangement that he has orchestrated

take action today - don’t delay!!

message him and ask what his thoughts are since your letter? Ask him if it was a fair arrangement and if it wasn’t then what is he going to do about it? Don’t let him ignore you!!

Readaboutyourself · 09/12/2022 09:05

You’re flogging a dead horse with this relationship.

Regardless of subject, you can’t even have a discussion without writing it in a letter (?!) & then just ignores it and so do you. He’s wasting your time & money.

Fireflygal · 09/12/2022 09:08

Op, if you are an honest person it's difficult to accept that there are others in the world who don't have the same values as you.

He is very typical of a highly skilled manipulator - arguments that just confuse you and never lead to resolution. The super nice behaviour afterwards but never addressing the issue. He is keeping you sweet so that you drop the issue but he won't actually take any action.

Just a warning - this type of person is very likely to discard you quickly if they decide you are not going to be manipulated anymore. They often start to line someone else up to replace you. No healthy relationship should leave you feeling confused. It's a sign that you should leave.

You can rebuild your life without him.

rookiemere · 09/12/2022 09:21

Whose name are the bills in ?

If yours get them transferred or if joint get yourself removed.
At the minute you're displaying sunk cost fallacy. Granted you're paying a bit less than you were, but presumably you'd pay less and be happier at your DPs?

Write off the money you've spent - except the renovations I think you should be able to get your share back - and stop waiting for this guy to turn good.

GG1986 · 09/12/2022 09:22

I agree with what others are saying, as hard as it may be you need to leave him. He is selfish and if you have children with him it will get even worse. Please protect yourself and your money and get rid. X

Cuddlywuddlies · 09/12/2022 09:28

@CB20 you are not getting anything but grief and stress from this relationship. You would be way better off without him and you know it. Red flags EVERYWHERE. Just leave.

CurlsandSwirls · 09/12/2022 09:29

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Nik2015 · 09/12/2022 09:31

Wow!

Ask for your money back and leave, you’re wasting you time with this one!

BaconMassive · 09/12/2022 09:54

He must have a golden cock or something because I can see no other positives.

SuperFly123 · 09/12/2022 10:05

Christ just leave. You have seriously been had.

Isthisreasonable · 09/12/2022 10:05

Transfer all the accounts you are currently paying into his name. His property, his bills. If he wants you to pay rent it needs to be a formal arrangement and you get your own room. He categorically won't want to do this. You might need to check out financial disassociation from him.

Probably not worth pursuing the renovation money but certainly stop paying for anything so you can recoup something. Get everything of importance to your mums so it's safe.

The only user in this relationship is him and you really don't need that in your life. Move out and start a fresh life without him bleeding you dry.

Stomacharmeleon · 09/12/2022 10:14

LTB.... you are just tying yourself up in knots.

Go and save with your mum at your family home and leave him to it.

He is being nice as he thinks he has one over on you...

This is not the behaviour of someone who loves you and he doesn't deserve your love.

LTB!!!

Bronnau · 09/12/2022 10:24

It's not just about the money OP. He is manipulative and cruel. Many threads on here about relationships are actually more complex than they seem, but this one really isn't- He is treating you very, very badly and you won't be able to fully see/acknowledge it until you've left and taken a few months to yourself. This is in no-way normal.
The fact that he sees you, his life partner, as a gold digger should tell you all you need to know. Why would you want to live with, or be with, someone with such a low opinion of you? He lets you work until you're literally falling asleep whilst he has the means to not just make life easier for you, but to ensure you're not in a dangerous situation. What does that tell you about what kind of man this is? What does it tell you about any future you might have with him?

My DP earns significantly less than me and I would never in a million years even consider treating him in this way. It's so dehumanising and unkind. You deserve so much better than this shit.

Crikeyalmighty · 09/12/2022 10:42

He is absolutely taking the piss-and is simply self interested- this suits very nicely- a reliable lodger who shares bills and mortgage and no doubt housekeeping services and sex. You are way better than this OP- and he has some brass neck thinking that's all fine and dandy.

Ofcourseshecan · 09/12/2022 10:42

BlueSuffragette · 19/11/2022 17:54

He treats you with disrespect and no way does he see your relationship as a partnership. Ask for the money back you paid for renovations. Stop paying anything to do with HIS property. Leave the relationship and value your own self worth. He may be rich but he's mean and selfish. Move on with your life.

This, 100%.

Cavagirl · 09/12/2022 11:12

Oh OP.

Forget the money for a minute. Forget who's paid what and relative incomes etc etc.

This is someone you've been with for TEN YEARS who won't jointly discuss a future with you, work as a team or treat you as an equal partner in your relationship.

You're now guessing at what his response to your letter means, because he won't discuss it. This is not love.

Are you hoping he will change? Are you hoping if you do or say the "right" things enough you will meet the required standard for him to magically have a personality transplant and turn into a decent life partner who treats you as his equal?

How long are you prepared to wait? Those ten years are gone now, but you have the rest of your life ahead of you. The first day of that is tomorrow. How will you spend it?

CB20 · 09/12/2022 11:32

Hey, the replies do make it seem like i'm being silly and that I should just leave, but in reality it feels more difficult than that. I love him and have been with him so long, that I don't really want to leave, that's the difficulty. That's why it's very confusing.

Just to clarify someone asked if anything had been discussed beforehand, which it had, he said we would have an agreement that ring-fenced his deposit and then I get what I put in - I was paying half of everything. The agreement never materialised, hence the rest of the situation. Plus, also to clarify, I do not think I should get a chunk of his £100K, I always said to ring-fence that, I have no interest in that at all.

The main issue is what the situation means for what he thinks of me and the relationship, as it didn't seem right to me.

Also, I know driving tired is dangerous, I didn't have a choice before as I needed to for a family member, very grave situation and extremely important (literally life/death also) so I felt I had to take the risk. That situation is possibly easing now, I wouldn't be able to buy a house without both jobs, but that is not worth risky driving, agreed.

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PauliesWalnuts · 09/12/2022 11:44

You might love him OP, but from his actions he doesn’t love you. “Deeds not words” is a very apt phrase here.
This is going to sound really harsh, but he doesn’t love you and doesn’t see any kind of future with you. I’m all for financial independence but he just sees you as a lodger and cleaner and partner for sex. Get out whilst you can.

liarliarshortsonfire · 09/12/2022 11:53

Op he's been bleeding you dry to feather his own nest. You can kiss your 5k and any mortgage payments goodbye. He's even stopped paying the bills to try and recoup his lost mortgage payments. He's using you and happy to do it, not only that, he's got you working 2 jobs to do so.

Move back in with your Mum, start to save and buy yourself an house. If he truly loves you he'll completely understand why, and support your decision and he'll still want a relationship with you.

SuperFly123 · 09/12/2022 11:57

When someone shows you who they are, believe them. You are worth so much more than his treatment of you. Until you really start to believe that, you will likely remain with him and he will continue to fleece you. Good luck whatever you decide to do.

Bookworm20 · 09/12/2022 12:00

cantba · 09/12/2022 08:49

Your not married. He has put £100k in. Why should he put you on the deeds. Its right you pay rent imo. I would be asking for the home improvement money back though.

You have bigger relationship issues though. I can't see this going the distance but im totally unclear why you think you are due a chunk of his money. If you take the share you have been paying, is it more or less than market rent?

OP was clear about him ringfencing the deposit he put in.

They have been together over a decade and were buying a house together. they are a couple! And hes charging her rent to pay HIS mortgage, in a house they were planning to buy together. But he went ahead and did it in his name and expects OP to pay for half of it.

She doesn't want a chunk of his money ffs! She wants to be paying towards a mortgage on a property she owns WITH her partner.

Not paying the greedy fuckers mortgage FOR him.
He won't put her on the deeds, because then , if they split up, she would be entitled to half of the property, that she had been paying for! minus his deposit amount. If she isn't on the deeds, he gets the whole bloody lot, even though he has only been paying half the mortgage.

How can you not see how totally fucked up that is?

FlowerArranger · 09/12/2022 12:06

I love him and have been with him so long, that I don't really want to leave, that's the difficulty

And he knows this and he is strategically using your emotional attachment for his own benefit.

I’m all for financial independence but he just sees you as a lodger and cleaner and partner for sex. Get out whilst you can.

Sadly this is probably true.

Op he's been bleeding you dry to feather his own nest. You can kiss your 5k and any mortgage payments goodbye. He's even stopped paying the bills to try and recoup his lost mortgage payments

That's the cold hard truth.

Cheeseandhoney · 09/12/2022 12:08

I believe he has behaved badly in not meeting his commitments and the way he speaks to you. I believe you behaved badly in expecting to live rent free as a fully grown adult. You’re not married. He’d made it clear you should pay rent and I also would see you as a free loader. You should not have paid renovations though.

im astonished about just how often you mention his actual salary and not once do you articulate what yours actually is , and quite frankly how much you earn is not his fault

so for me, you should pay rent and half the bills.

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