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Long Term Relationship - Mortgage Issues

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CB20 · 19/11/2022 17:04

Hi All,

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds.

A bit of background for context. I met my partner 11 years ago, we have been properly together for 9 years, and lived together for 7 years. (Not married, no children)

When we met, he was at uni, so I often paid for more things (not living together at this point). Once he started working and we moved in together, we have always split everything 50/50 rent/bills/food etc. for the past 7 years.

He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50.

We said we were going to buy a house towards the end of 2021, but Covid happened and I ended up furloughed and on £800 per month, he still had his £100K salary working from home. I still payed half of the rent and bills, which wiped out my £800, so I could not save towards a deposit. He still had his job, plus had minimal expenses because of lockdown, so managed to save £50K, and his family very kindly gave him another £50K for a deposit.

He still wanted to buy at the end of 2021. I asked him to wait a year, as I was working again so I could save towards a deposit, he said no. I offered to sell my car to give £10K towards a deposit, and he said no. I asked to be put on the mortgage, with his deposit ring-fenced, I have no interest in trying to take his deposit, and he said no. He made up some excuses about us not being able to get the mortgage if I was on it that didn't make sense (as I was working again and have a very good credit score), but I had a lot going on with family at the time, so didn't probe more on this. I got upset a few times and said I felt we weren't a team, and should I just move back in with family, and he was just buying a house on his own - to which he said he would be our house. He then said that we would get an agreement that ring-fenced what he put in, and what I would be contributing, so I thought that this would happen and we would get an agreement, which would be fine. In fact, at one point he was even saying he only wanted to ring fence what his family put in, and that what he put in would be split with me, which he didn't have to do, as i was happy for him to protect all of his deposit - however, this is not what has happened since, so I feel like this all might have been a lie to placate me.

So we then moved into the property, and I paid for half of the renovations which cost £5K each, plus I have paid for half of the mortgage from the start which is £865 each per month, plus half of the bills/food/everything else.

3 months in, I brought up the subject of the agreement, as nothing had materialised and I was paying for half of everything. He got very angry and said this would cost a few grand at a solicitors. So I questioned why he didn't just put me on the mortgage from the start, ring-fencing his deposit of course, as that wouldn't have cost anything. He then said I was "money grabbing", and "must have thought I had won the lottery". I was very hurt and confused by this, as we have been together so long, and I have always contributed half towards everything, even though I earned less money (there were extenuating circumstances/I asked him to wait and offered to sell my car, so I deffo wasn't money grabbing). In fact, I went to uni later (different background from him), and only graduated recently, but I made sure I still worked all through my degree to make sure I paid for half of everything, so I have never sat on my butt doing nothing expecting a free ride, we are just from different backgrounds. Even recently I have had to take on more work to support my family (I don't have kids it was for an unwell family member). I then said to him that when he saved for his deposit, I was furloughed with very little and still paid for half the rent/bills etc, whilst he was on £100K (plus bonus), so perhaps if he had contributed more proportionally, I would have had something to put towards the deposit - he then was very angry and said "what, you expect handouts". He then also said the house wouldn't be half mine just because I was paying for half of it, and I said obviously I knew it wasn't fully half mine, as £100K worth is his ring-fenced, but then after that I thought it would be half and half, as I was paying for half of everything, to which he said it wasn't at all, and I was "trying to get a windfall". This is completely different to the agreement that he said to me we would have before we moved in - which at one point he was even saying he would only ring-fence what his family put in.

Anyway, this really played on my mind. A lot was going on in my family life, a family member became unwell, which needed a lot of focus and attention emotionally, and was costing a lot of money, so I took on extra work. I was (and still am) working Mon-Fri 9am - 5pm, plus I work Mon/Weds/Fri/Saturday night 10:30pm - 2am. So I was very busy, emotionally drained, and very tired. He knows how hard I work and how tired I am, I regularly fall asleep driving on the way home from my second job, so it's not like I am lazy and expect handouts. However, still no agreement materialised. so when 6 months passed, I called a break. I told him that I felt taken for granted, and felt like he was not committed, that he doesn't want to act like a team or partnership, so he needed to make his mind up - it's either that or he's controlling, and that he just wanted everything his way - he gets half his mortgage and half the renovations paid on a house that is all his. Plus, whilst I am paying for half his mortgage, I can't afford to save up for one of my own. Plus, it is quite hard to even get a mortgage on an average salary alone, I always thought we were going to do it together as a team, so I am not sure I will even be able to get one alone.

Anyway, the break dragged on with no resolution, we are talking more again, so I asked about it again. Now he is saying that because I went on a break with him, he definitely won't put me on the house, not for a few years and even then "I shouldn't get my hopes up", and that what I am paying him is rent (this is very different to what he said when we moved in). I also literally went on a break with him because of this, so it seems very circular. I have tried again from a different position, as I have said that if the house is all his, and he doesn't want me on the deeds or mortgage, then I shouldn't be paying the mortgage - and I especially shouldn't be paying it, as when we moved, I moved in under the premise that we were getting this agreement and I had a stake in the house, that is why I was paying for half of everything - and now he is saying that what I am paying him is rent. He is furious about this and has said that I need to pay it as rent, or move out.

He said today that he thinks I don't "deserve" to be on the mortgage/deeds because I didn't save for a deposit, but, as I mentioned above covid happened - which he said was "very convenient"/I asked him to wait a year/ offered to sell my car etc, plus have always paid for half and of course expected him to ring-fence and protect his deposit. Plus, I would never had had the level of his deposit anyway, as I was on an average salary, plus paying half the rent - he is on £100K plus deposit, plus family help - so I would never have had anywhere near what he has put in. Lots of my friends were in similar situations, with someone having a bigger deposit, but people just protect and ring-fence it. I would understand if I was a new partner, or he had had bought the house before he met me, but we have been together so long, planned to buy together (there were extenuating circumstances and he didn't want to wait), and I have always contributed half of everything. In fact, my family live 10 minutes away, his live in the countryside 3 hours away, but he moved to London to work here, so I could have lived with my family down the road and saved if I had known we weren't a partnership/team, as I've spent about £67K in rent/bills living with him for the past 7 years.

I guess I am just posting this, as I don't know if I am crazy and unreasonable really, and just want some opinions please. Should I be paying for half of the mortgage if I am not on the mortgage/deeds? Should I be paying it when the terms have changed, he originally said we would have an agreement that gave me a stake in the house, but now he's saying what I am paying is rent - which tbh is what I think he planned all along, or he would have got the agreement drawn up from the start right? I've paid £13,650 in mortgage payments and for the renovations since we moved in 10 months ago, under the premise that I had a stake in the house and we were getting an agreement drawn up, which didn't materialise, and I've since been told that what I am paying him will be rent. I think, if he had told me this from the start, I would have moved back in with my family to save my own deposit, as I would have felt we weren't a team and he wasn't committed.

If I don't pay his mortgage, then I could save for my own mortgage, my family member is a little better now and I still have both the jobs - so I might be offered a big enough mortgage by the bank as my salary looks better, but I can't keep up both the jobs forever, as I am falling asleep driving home, so it isn't ideal - plus I have no social life and am very tired. Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

Sorry it was so long...

OP posts:
Pebbledashery · 19/11/2022 20:35

I got a third of the way through your post and couldn't read anymore. LTB.

YukoandHiro · 19/11/2022 20:38

Leave and demand he repays you your half of the renovations

Shitfather · 19/11/2022 20:40

What are you seeking? You may have sufficient grounds to seek a share in the property as a beneficial owner. If you can prove he intended for the property to be shared, I’d sue the fucker. It will cost ££££ and a lot of stress though. All the posters who advise that this won’t get better are correct. Get out, get your money back, and start a new life. I speak from very bitter experience of being in a similar situation.

badbaduncle · 19/11/2022 20:46

This man is an unmitigated cunt.

OldFan · 19/11/2022 20:48

He sounds awful @CB20 , the way he's talking to you is horrible, what he accuses you of is so hurtful. I would just finish it and not have anything to do with this nasty man anymore.

CB20 · 19/11/2022 20:49

Thanks for the replies. It's hard and I'm not sure what to do, because I do love him, it just doesn't seem fair or right, and he makes out that it is me being unreasonable, he also said I was being controlling by telling him what to do (I haven't been telling, I've been asking and giving my reasons as to why I thought it was unfair). So, I thought I would ask neutral people to see what they think, as friends/family can be biased.

I probably do have proof of the £5K renovations, but I didn't really want to go down that route, I just wanted to work things out if possible. I do try to understand his point of view or way of thinking, but it just doesn't seem right, and it seems that he can't see my point at all - he acts like I'm completely crazy for thinking this. He also said I broke up with him so he deffo wouldn't put me on the house now, but I didn't break up with him - I called a break because of precisely this situation, not because I wasn't committed, it's exactly the opposite. I did break up with him for a month 5 years ago as he did something not nice, but again, it wasn't because I wasn't committed, it was because of something he did - so he can't really make out I'm non-committed or flighty, so a risk to him to put on the house, as I'm precisely the opposite, want to have a loyal committed relationship. He has also said that he was saying to all of his friends that he wanted to marry me and have kids with me just before I called the break, but since I called the break, he is now unsure.

To clarify, with the two jobs I have a comfortable salary, thankfully (still a lot less than him), but I was scraping by even with the two jobs when I had to support my family member (and also during covid when I was furloughed), but I have just stopped paying for the situation with my family member, so now I have both salaries for myself. So the bank might give me an ok mortgage if I get a deposit together. I am just not sure how much longer I can sustain working both jobs, as I am falling asleep driving home, and have no social life, so it's not an ideal situation - but I am very grateful to have both jobs of course, and know other people do not have that and would be in a worse situation.

I just wanted to understand other people's views on it really, and find out if I was in the wrong and I was being unreasonable and crazy, as then I could change my point of view and work out the relationship by changing my expectations, but it seems a lot agree with me. I am unsure why he thinks like this, I've thought about it a lot and it could be a few things: he's either not committed and doesn't really like/love me, so doesn't want to build a future with me - in which case, I don't know why he doesn't admit it, and what's he keeping me around for - to pay half of everything maybe, but that would be really mean and weird, and why did I not realise he was like that sooner. Or he is unreasonably controlling and wants to be in control of owning the house or whatever - also not a great reason, but maybe with counselling or self-reflection he could work on that? Or maybe it's something else, I'm just not sure. It really is a shame, as I just wanted a happy committed loving team-like relationship. I was just seeking advice here I guess

OP posts:
OldFan · 19/11/2022 20:52

Falling asleep at the wheel could kill you (or someone else) and nothing is worth that. xx

CornishTiger · 19/11/2022 20:52

It really shouldn’t be that difficult. He’s wasted your twenties in hope of something he’ll never give you.

Run fast.

CB20 · 19/11/2022 20:57

Winter2020 · 19/11/2022 20:29

Hi OP,
Don't let this man string you along one second longer with his false promises.

Go home to your family and start saving a deposit for your own place. Get back on the dating scene when you are ready and find someone that actually wants to share their life.

Quit the second job before you kill yourself or somebody else falling asleep driving.

Walk out with your head held high and go work towards the life you deserve.

Yes I don't want to put others in danger either when I am driving, I am a careful driver and it is the middle of the night so not many people about, but not an excuse really, as I do fall asleep often and it is dangerous and that isn't good. I really did have to have both jobs previously due to the situation with my family, it really was a very important situation - but now I would love to leave one of them - but with this situation I feel like I still need both, but you're right - not worth mine or someone else's life

OP posts:
iloveorange · 19/11/2022 20:59

In my opinion, when you build a family (and a family doesn't require kids or marriage), every penny earned belongs to the family. Obviously if you are married the law imposes that to some extent, but to me it's just ethically right. Family members support each other and see the value in each other beyond how much each of them earns.

You've been with this man for 9 years and he still doesn't treat you as his family. That's why it feels like you're not a team - because you are not.

I find it mind boggling that so many couples separate their finances so obsessively even when they've been living together for years! I understand the practicalities of it, but to me it's a sign of lack of commitment and appreciation for the other. It doesn't make sense for one person in a relationship to live lavishly while the other barely scrapes by.

HundredMilesAnHour · 19/11/2022 20:59

OP do you actually understand how appallingly he's treated you, and continues to treat you? And when you (far too gently) raise it, he gaslights you and says you're controlling and he won't marry you or put you on the deeds?

HE WILL NOT CHANGE. He's been using you for years. He lies to you. He doesn't care about you because you don't treat people you care about this way.

You need to leave him. And get legal advice to see if you can get your renovation money back. You deserve better than this tight gaslighting arsehole.

There will always be someone in life who doesn't see your worth. He doesn't see it. You need to see it for yourself and get out!

lovenaps · 19/11/2022 21:04

This is not great OP. He probably sees himself as the one with all the money + savings and thinks it's only fair if he is the solo owner. And yet somehow he had no issues taking your money for renovations and taking massive mortgage payments from you each month. Seems he is happy to accept your money but only for things that don't make you a co-owner of the house.
Your half of the mortgage is a crazy amount of money as well, would it not be cheaper to rent solo? I suppose depends on where you are.

grandmashotdoodlebugs · 19/11/2022 21:04

You do realise you're suffering from domestic abuse ? He's emotionally abusive. And financially abusive.

You must leave him and never go back.

supersop60 · 19/11/2022 21:09

Leave. It won't magically get better. Ever.

iloveorange · 19/11/2022 21:12

CB20 · 19/11/2022 20:49

Thanks for the replies. It's hard and I'm not sure what to do, because I do love him, it just doesn't seem fair or right, and he makes out that it is me being unreasonable, he also said I was being controlling by telling him what to do (I haven't been telling, I've been asking and giving my reasons as to why I thought it was unfair). So, I thought I would ask neutral people to see what they think, as friends/family can be biased.

I probably do have proof of the £5K renovations, but I didn't really want to go down that route, I just wanted to work things out if possible. I do try to understand his point of view or way of thinking, but it just doesn't seem right, and it seems that he can't see my point at all - he acts like I'm completely crazy for thinking this. He also said I broke up with him so he deffo wouldn't put me on the house now, but I didn't break up with him - I called a break because of precisely this situation, not because I wasn't committed, it's exactly the opposite. I did break up with him for a month 5 years ago as he did something not nice, but again, it wasn't because I wasn't committed, it was because of something he did - so he can't really make out I'm non-committed or flighty, so a risk to him to put on the house, as I'm precisely the opposite, want to have a loyal committed relationship. He has also said that he was saying to all of his friends that he wanted to marry me and have kids with me just before I called the break, but since I called the break, he is now unsure.

To clarify, with the two jobs I have a comfortable salary, thankfully (still a lot less than him), but I was scraping by even with the two jobs when I had to support my family member (and also during covid when I was furloughed), but I have just stopped paying for the situation with my family member, so now I have both salaries for myself. So the bank might give me an ok mortgage if I get a deposit together. I am just not sure how much longer I can sustain working both jobs, as I am falling asleep driving home, and have no social life, so it's not an ideal situation - but I am very grateful to have both jobs of course, and know other people do not have that and would be in a worse situation.

I just wanted to understand other people's views on it really, and find out if I was in the wrong and I was being unreasonable and crazy, as then I could change my point of view and work out the relationship by changing my expectations, but it seems a lot agree with me. I am unsure why he thinks like this, I've thought about it a lot and it could be a few things: he's either not committed and doesn't really like/love me, so doesn't want to build a future with me - in which case, I don't know why he doesn't admit it, and what's he keeping me around for - to pay half of everything maybe, but that would be really mean and weird, and why did I not realise he was like that sooner. Or he is unreasonably controlling and wants to be in control of owning the house or whatever - also not a great reason, but maybe with counselling or self-reflection he could work on that? Or maybe it's something else, I'm just not sure. It really is a shame, as I just wanted a happy committed loving team-like relationship. I was just seeking advice here I guess

He is playing you, manipulating you, and making you believe it's your fault. It's not. I don't know the guy, but I'm confident that he completely understands where you are coming from and gets why you are upset about this. He just won't admit it to you because, obviously, life is a lot easier if someone pays for half your bills, food AND mortgage while you keep the house to yourself.

Of course, if he loved you (or was a decent human being) he wouldn't be doing this to you.

Teapleasebobb · 19/11/2022 21:13

He has also said that he was saying to all of his friends that he wanted to marry me and have kids with me just before I called the break, but since I called the break, he is now unsure.

I wouldn't believe this tbh op. It just justifies why he won't marry and lay the blame for that at your feet.
He sounds awful and abusive.

Shitfather · 19/11/2022 21:23

Classic gaslighting. You won’t see his abuse until you leave. I suggest you seek some sort of support to get clarity on this. I think the posts are unanimous - in the words of a previous poster, he’s an unmitigated cunt. You’ve written how appalling his behaviour is towards you.

Susieblue18 · 19/11/2022 21:24

I think he sounds very manipulative and if you are with someone like that long enough you lose sight of your self worth. I wonder if going to counselling yourself would help you see things more clearly. It’s very difficult when you love him but I think he sounds emotionally abusive.

LadyLapsang · 19/11/2022 21:24

I think you should move out and he should repay you the 5k contribution towards renovations. To be fair to him, you wouldn’t get much for a rent of 865 pcm in London.

Acheyknees · 19/11/2022 21:35

I'd stop paying him. What an unpleasant, nasty greedy man he is. You can't love a man like this. You've wasted too many years on him. Stop paying, look for your own place.

Brigante9 · 20/11/2022 09:47

He’s never going to put you on the mortgage. You may as well leave.

KnickerlessParsons · 20/11/2022 10:10

I didn't read all of your v long post. I only needed to read the first para to realise how foolish you've been

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds

All the rest of the info just makes the situation worse and worse.

Why do women (and it is mostly women) keep getting themselves into this situation?

LemonTT · 20/11/2022 10:32

Give up on this relationship. It is falling apart and it will end. He is 100% protecting himself and his own interests. You aren’t even a passenger in his life anymore which is what you were before.

Ask for the £5k back when you have somewhere else to go. I doubt you would get anymore even if you went to court at huge expense. Find somewhere new to live. Make your plans and don’t tell him.

He won’t let you stay there if you don’t contribute and he can easily get you removed. Unless you have somewhere else to go, don’t risk coming home to changed locks and your belongings packed up.

Aprilx · 20/11/2022 10:39

If a woman came in here and said a man had moved into her house and only paid bills but no rent / mortgage, he would be called a cocklodger. So in a small way I can understand the “rent” argument. And I do mean in a small way, a very small way.

My main takeout when I got to the end of the post was that this is no partnership and I have noticed since poster upon poster saying the same. You have made some very reasonable suggestions such as rung fencing his deposit, but he seems determined to prevent you from being a homeowner. I have no idea how old you are but he could turn around tomorrow or when you are in your 50s and kick you out without a second thought and you know what, something tells me he will.

He seriously does not give one shit about you, your future, your security or your financial well-being. He doesn’t even care about your physical well being as he watches you work two jobs whilst you help pay off his mortgage.

He is utter garbage. You should never have given him any money for renovations, you need to try and get that back, threaten you will be applying for a beneficial interest unless he does so. Then collect your belongings and leave this scumbag.

Holymackerelhead · 20/11/2022 10:44

Fuck that. You’re paying half of the mortgage but he doesn’t want you to own any of the house? And he’s accusing you of gold-digging. He sounds awful, what an utter prick. I wouldn’t pay a penny more, you could be renting somewhere cheaper and saving for your own deposit.