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Long Term Relationship - Mortgage Issues

166 replies

CB20 · 19/11/2022 17:04

Hi All,

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds.

A bit of background for context. I met my partner 11 years ago, we have been properly together for 9 years, and lived together for 7 years. (Not married, no children)

When we met, he was at uni, so I often paid for more things (not living together at this point). Once he started working and we moved in together, we have always split everything 50/50 rent/bills/food etc. for the past 7 years.

He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50.

We said we were going to buy a house towards the end of 2021, but Covid happened and I ended up furloughed and on £800 per month, he still had his £100K salary working from home. I still payed half of the rent and bills, which wiped out my £800, so I could not save towards a deposit. He still had his job, plus had minimal expenses because of lockdown, so managed to save £50K, and his family very kindly gave him another £50K for a deposit.

He still wanted to buy at the end of 2021. I asked him to wait a year, as I was working again so I could save towards a deposit, he said no. I offered to sell my car to give £10K towards a deposit, and he said no. I asked to be put on the mortgage, with his deposit ring-fenced, I have no interest in trying to take his deposit, and he said no. He made up some excuses about us not being able to get the mortgage if I was on it that didn't make sense (as I was working again and have a very good credit score), but I had a lot going on with family at the time, so didn't probe more on this. I got upset a few times and said I felt we weren't a team, and should I just move back in with family, and he was just buying a house on his own - to which he said he would be our house. He then said that we would get an agreement that ring-fenced what he put in, and what I would be contributing, so I thought that this would happen and we would get an agreement, which would be fine. In fact, at one point he was even saying he only wanted to ring fence what his family put in, and that what he put in would be split with me, which he didn't have to do, as i was happy for him to protect all of his deposit - however, this is not what has happened since, so I feel like this all might have been a lie to placate me.

So we then moved into the property, and I paid for half of the renovations which cost £5K each, plus I have paid for half of the mortgage from the start which is £865 each per month, plus half of the bills/food/everything else.

3 months in, I brought up the subject of the agreement, as nothing had materialised and I was paying for half of everything. He got very angry and said this would cost a few grand at a solicitors. So I questioned why he didn't just put me on the mortgage from the start, ring-fencing his deposit of course, as that wouldn't have cost anything. He then said I was "money grabbing", and "must have thought I had won the lottery". I was very hurt and confused by this, as we have been together so long, and I have always contributed half towards everything, even though I earned less money (there were extenuating circumstances/I asked him to wait and offered to sell my car, so I deffo wasn't money grabbing). In fact, I went to uni later (different background from him), and only graduated recently, but I made sure I still worked all through my degree to make sure I paid for half of everything, so I have never sat on my butt doing nothing expecting a free ride, we are just from different backgrounds. Even recently I have had to take on more work to support my family (I don't have kids it was for an unwell family member). I then said to him that when he saved for his deposit, I was furloughed with very little and still paid for half the rent/bills etc, whilst he was on £100K (plus bonus), so perhaps if he had contributed more proportionally, I would have had something to put towards the deposit - he then was very angry and said "what, you expect handouts". He then also said the house wouldn't be half mine just because I was paying for half of it, and I said obviously I knew it wasn't fully half mine, as £100K worth is his ring-fenced, but then after that I thought it would be half and half, as I was paying for half of everything, to which he said it wasn't at all, and I was "trying to get a windfall". This is completely different to the agreement that he said to me we would have before we moved in - which at one point he was even saying he would only ring-fence what his family put in.

Anyway, this really played on my mind. A lot was going on in my family life, a family member became unwell, which needed a lot of focus and attention emotionally, and was costing a lot of money, so I took on extra work. I was (and still am) working Mon-Fri 9am - 5pm, plus I work Mon/Weds/Fri/Saturday night 10:30pm - 2am. So I was very busy, emotionally drained, and very tired. He knows how hard I work and how tired I am, I regularly fall asleep driving on the way home from my second job, so it's not like I am lazy and expect handouts. However, still no agreement materialised. so when 6 months passed, I called a break. I told him that I felt taken for granted, and felt like he was not committed, that he doesn't want to act like a team or partnership, so he needed to make his mind up - it's either that or he's controlling, and that he just wanted everything his way - he gets half his mortgage and half the renovations paid on a house that is all his. Plus, whilst I am paying for half his mortgage, I can't afford to save up for one of my own. Plus, it is quite hard to even get a mortgage on an average salary alone, I always thought we were going to do it together as a team, so I am not sure I will even be able to get one alone.

Anyway, the break dragged on with no resolution, we are talking more again, so I asked about it again. Now he is saying that because I went on a break with him, he definitely won't put me on the house, not for a few years and even then "I shouldn't get my hopes up", and that what I am paying him is rent (this is very different to what he said when we moved in). I also literally went on a break with him because of this, so it seems very circular. I have tried again from a different position, as I have said that if the house is all his, and he doesn't want me on the deeds or mortgage, then I shouldn't be paying the mortgage - and I especially shouldn't be paying it, as when we moved, I moved in under the premise that we were getting this agreement and I had a stake in the house, that is why I was paying for half of everything - and now he is saying that what I am paying him is rent. He is furious about this and has said that I need to pay it as rent, or move out.

He said today that he thinks I don't "deserve" to be on the mortgage/deeds because I didn't save for a deposit, but, as I mentioned above covid happened - which he said was "very convenient"/I asked him to wait a year/ offered to sell my car etc, plus have always paid for half and of course expected him to ring-fence and protect his deposit. Plus, I would never had had the level of his deposit anyway, as I was on an average salary, plus paying half the rent - he is on £100K plus deposit, plus family help - so I would never have had anywhere near what he has put in. Lots of my friends were in similar situations, with someone having a bigger deposit, but people just protect and ring-fence it. I would understand if I was a new partner, or he had had bought the house before he met me, but we have been together so long, planned to buy together (there were extenuating circumstances and he didn't want to wait), and I have always contributed half of everything. In fact, my family live 10 minutes away, his live in the countryside 3 hours away, but he moved to London to work here, so I could have lived with my family down the road and saved if I had known we weren't a partnership/team, as I've spent about £67K in rent/bills living with him for the past 7 years.

I guess I am just posting this, as I don't know if I am crazy and unreasonable really, and just want some opinions please. Should I be paying for half of the mortgage if I am not on the mortgage/deeds? Should I be paying it when the terms have changed, he originally said we would have an agreement that gave me a stake in the house, but now he's saying what I am paying is rent - which tbh is what I think he planned all along, or he would have got the agreement drawn up from the start right? I've paid £13,650 in mortgage payments and for the renovations since we moved in 10 months ago, under the premise that I had a stake in the house and we were getting an agreement drawn up, which didn't materialise, and I've since been told that what I am paying him will be rent. I think, if he had told me this from the start, I would have moved back in with my family to save my own deposit, as I would have felt we weren't a team and he wasn't committed.

If I don't pay his mortgage, then I could save for my own mortgage, my family member is a little better now and I still have both the jobs - so I might be offered a big enough mortgage by the bank as my salary looks better, but I can't keep up both the jobs forever, as I am falling asleep driving home, so it isn't ideal - plus I have no social life and am very tired. Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

Sorry it was so long...

OP posts:
Fireflygal · 19/11/2022 18:42

He doesn't respect or love you as of he did he wouldn't treat you as a lodger. He has made it very clear what his intentions are..get away and learn from this relationship.

He took money for renovations knowing he wasn't going to let you build up equity.

If you can prove you paid half for renovations you maybe able to get him to refund that- even if it means smalls claims court.

Ikeameatballs · 19/11/2022 18:46

LTB.

I earn 100k+ and would never treat my lower earning partner like this.

meditrina · 19/11/2022 18:52

You seem to be sleepwalking into financial dependency.

Remember that this is his house, you are not married, you have no share in it.

You need to consider what happens if you split up, if either one of you becomes injured/ill/incapacitated and unable to work, or if he dies.

Always remember he can evict you at any point.

I think it is important that you have enough in savings to cover the deposit for a new place for you to live, plus to cover the first few months rent. This may take time to amass.

Id the bill for living with him higher or lower than if you were living independently. If lower, save the difference. If higher, look at moving out. And if you go, look at getting back what you paid towards renovating his property

Think about what circumstances you want to be in in 3, 5, 10 years time. It's probably not being financially vulnerable and unable to leave.

BTW, this is not a set-up into which to being DC

RandomPerson42 · 19/11/2022 18:52

You are wasting your life with him imho.

Get your money back for the renovations - even if it’s only by not paying anything more for a year - then adios.

Mummy2mybear · 19/11/2022 18:53

Don't invest any more time in this i would leave as soon as possible dont pay any more towards his mortgage leave im so sorry this is happening what a selfish selfish man 😔 you will be so much better off emotionally and financially without him.

BornBlonde · 19/11/2022 19:01

He does not respect you or see you as a partner

Sorry to be blunt but you can do better and deserve better

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Jantetha · 19/11/2022 19:07

End it and find someone better. He sounds absolutely awful, don't waste any more energy on him

Pashazade · 19/11/2022 19:09

I was on the mortgage from the start despite earning way way less than my partner and then husband. I'm really sorry but I'd cut my losses, consider it as if you'd been renting these past few years, write it off and leave to start fresh by yourself.

Mummy2mybear · 19/11/2022 19:19

I'm sorry to say but this man is truly awful you have to get out of this OP don't underestimate your worth you can do so much better than this he has no respect he is using you. What a truly horrible nasty peice of work he is 😓

LTB1234 · 19/11/2022 19:30

I married and had children with one of these - a tight, selfish b**tard, and trust me it didn’t get better. Get out now while you still can, even if you lose the money you spent on renovations, and chalk it up to experience. I’m divorcing him now and £5k is a drop in the ocean compared to what it’s costing me. As previous posters have said, he sees you as a lodger and nothing more, and as hard as it is to admit that to yourself, it doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Teapleasebobb · 19/11/2022 19:37

He sounds hideous op! Definitely do no have children with him.
A future with him will be grim. You will never be equal.

Cluelessdiyer · 19/11/2022 19:43

He’s told you very clearly what his position is

unambiguously

he won’t change it

up to you if you accept it

i wouldn’t

LexMitior · 19/11/2022 19:56

This guy does not value you and does not want to build a life together. Cut your losses but move on.

You can never argue someone into putting you into a mortgage. It should have been done at the start.

Seeingadistance · 19/11/2022 19:59

As others have already said, LTB and don't give him another penny. Get out now and don't look back. The guy is an arsehole and you can do better whether that's on your own or with someone who treats you with respect.

Smooshface · 19/11/2022 20:06

If you can prove you were contributing to household mortgage, renovations and council tax you might be able to get a solicitor to fight for your right to part of the property, that is what they told me when me and my partner split. Unmarried but we have kids so that might feature differently.

This sounds horrid though, might be best to just make a clean break of it, imagine spending the rest of your life "renting" from this guy

PurBal · 19/11/2022 20:08

MayMoveMayNot · 19/11/2022 17:28

I got half way through your post, I could see where it was going.

Leave him, he won't change.

Anyone on 100K a year with their partner earning so much less expecting be 50/50 is a selfish arse.

Stop paying him anything and look to get out.

Exactly this. I actually couldn’t bear to read your whole post OP. He isn’t treating you as an equal partner.

geraniumsandsunshine · 19/11/2022 20:13

Stop paying and don't move out straight away (save the money you don't pay him). See what he says. Very annoying that he has manipulated you in this way.

geraniumsandsunshine · 19/11/2022 20:14

I say that as if you are his partner, you don't need to pay rent!

ConkerBonkers · 19/11/2022 20:16

What CatherinedeBourgh said, get your 5k back, either from him, or non payment of rent, then get back to your parents and start saving. He is darvo ING saying you must have won the lottery. No, he must have won the lottery as he is playing you and taking so much from you with nothing in return, just lies, manipulation, and twisting the truth. Get your 5k back and get out.

Notplayingball · 19/11/2022 20:18

You should have got married before getting a mortgage together.

Move in with family and save your own deposit for your own property.

BEAM123 · 19/11/2022 20:20

I am sorry but towards the end of your post it becomes clear that he is being disgusting and arrogant. A total condescending nasty arse.

Stop paying the mortgage and start saving to move out. Do you have any evidence of what you paid for the renovations?

Smartiepants79 · 19/11/2022 20:26

I haven’t even really read past the first couple of paragraphs and all I can say is
LEAVE AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!!
He is a grabby twat who does not care about you at all.
Do not pay him anymore money and find somewhere else to live ASAP.

Coffeesnob11 · 19/11/2022 20:27

Leave him, he is being cruel and mean, don't carry on a relationship with him. He should want to share with you, he sees you as a meal ticket to build up equity. If you have any proof about the 5k, I would ask for it back and if not find out if you can take him to the small claims court. He got that money via deception. Find someone who treats you as an equal.

Winter2020 · 19/11/2022 20:29

Hi OP,
Don't let this man string you along one second longer with his false promises.

Go home to your family and start saving a deposit for your own place. Get back on the dating scene when you are ready and find someone that actually wants to share their life.

Quit the second job before you kill yourself or somebody else falling asleep driving.

Walk out with your head held high and go work towards the life you deserve.

blebbleb · 19/11/2022 20:30

Please leave this selfish git.