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Long Term Relationship - Mortgage Issues

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CB20 · 19/11/2022 17:04

Hi All,

Some advice needed as to if I am being unreasonable, as my partner has bought a house and I pay for half the mortgage and bills, but he refuses to put me on the mortgage/deeds.

A bit of background for context. I met my partner 11 years ago, we have been properly together for 9 years, and lived together for 7 years. (Not married, no children)

When we met, he was at uni, so I often paid for more things (not living together at this point). Once he started working and we moved in together, we have always split everything 50/50 rent/bills/food etc. for the past 7 years.

He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50.

We said we were going to buy a house towards the end of 2021, but Covid happened and I ended up furloughed and on £800 per month, he still had his £100K salary working from home. I still payed half of the rent and bills, which wiped out my £800, so I could not save towards a deposit. He still had his job, plus had minimal expenses because of lockdown, so managed to save £50K, and his family very kindly gave him another £50K for a deposit.

He still wanted to buy at the end of 2021. I asked him to wait a year, as I was working again so I could save towards a deposit, he said no. I offered to sell my car to give £10K towards a deposit, and he said no. I asked to be put on the mortgage, with his deposit ring-fenced, I have no interest in trying to take his deposit, and he said no. He made up some excuses about us not being able to get the mortgage if I was on it that didn't make sense (as I was working again and have a very good credit score), but I had a lot going on with family at the time, so didn't probe more on this. I got upset a few times and said I felt we weren't a team, and should I just move back in with family, and he was just buying a house on his own - to which he said he would be our house. He then said that we would get an agreement that ring-fenced what he put in, and what I would be contributing, so I thought that this would happen and we would get an agreement, which would be fine. In fact, at one point he was even saying he only wanted to ring fence what his family put in, and that what he put in would be split with me, which he didn't have to do, as i was happy for him to protect all of his deposit - however, this is not what has happened since, so I feel like this all might have been a lie to placate me.

So we then moved into the property, and I paid for half of the renovations which cost £5K each, plus I have paid for half of the mortgage from the start which is £865 each per month, plus half of the bills/food/everything else.

3 months in, I brought up the subject of the agreement, as nothing had materialised and I was paying for half of everything. He got very angry and said this would cost a few grand at a solicitors. So I questioned why he didn't just put me on the mortgage from the start, ring-fencing his deposit of course, as that wouldn't have cost anything. He then said I was "money grabbing", and "must have thought I had won the lottery". I was very hurt and confused by this, as we have been together so long, and I have always contributed half towards everything, even though I earned less money (there were extenuating circumstances/I asked him to wait and offered to sell my car, so I deffo wasn't money grabbing). In fact, I went to uni later (different background from him), and only graduated recently, but I made sure I still worked all through my degree to make sure I paid for half of everything, so I have never sat on my butt doing nothing expecting a free ride, we are just from different backgrounds. Even recently I have had to take on more work to support my family (I don't have kids it was for an unwell family member). I then said to him that when he saved for his deposit, I was furloughed with very little and still paid for half the rent/bills etc, whilst he was on £100K (plus bonus), so perhaps if he had contributed more proportionally, I would have had something to put towards the deposit - he then was very angry and said "what, you expect handouts". He then also said the house wouldn't be half mine just because I was paying for half of it, and I said obviously I knew it wasn't fully half mine, as £100K worth is his ring-fenced, but then after that I thought it would be half and half, as I was paying for half of everything, to which he said it wasn't at all, and I was "trying to get a windfall". This is completely different to the agreement that he said to me we would have before we moved in - which at one point he was even saying he would only ring-fence what his family put in.

Anyway, this really played on my mind. A lot was going on in my family life, a family member became unwell, which needed a lot of focus and attention emotionally, and was costing a lot of money, so I took on extra work. I was (and still am) working Mon-Fri 9am - 5pm, plus I work Mon/Weds/Fri/Saturday night 10:30pm - 2am. So I was very busy, emotionally drained, and very tired. He knows how hard I work and how tired I am, I regularly fall asleep driving on the way home from my second job, so it's not like I am lazy and expect handouts. However, still no agreement materialised. so when 6 months passed, I called a break. I told him that I felt taken for granted, and felt like he was not committed, that he doesn't want to act like a team or partnership, so he needed to make his mind up - it's either that or he's controlling, and that he just wanted everything his way - he gets half his mortgage and half the renovations paid on a house that is all his. Plus, whilst I am paying for half his mortgage, I can't afford to save up for one of my own. Plus, it is quite hard to even get a mortgage on an average salary alone, I always thought we were going to do it together as a team, so I am not sure I will even be able to get one alone.

Anyway, the break dragged on with no resolution, we are talking more again, so I asked about it again. Now he is saying that because I went on a break with him, he definitely won't put me on the house, not for a few years and even then "I shouldn't get my hopes up", and that what I am paying him is rent (this is very different to what he said when we moved in). I also literally went on a break with him because of this, so it seems very circular. I have tried again from a different position, as I have said that if the house is all his, and he doesn't want me on the deeds or mortgage, then I shouldn't be paying the mortgage - and I especially shouldn't be paying it, as when we moved, I moved in under the premise that we were getting this agreement and I had a stake in the house, that is why I was paying for half of everything - and now he is saying that what I am paying him is rent. He is furious about this and has said that I need to pay it as rent, or move out.

He said today that he thinks I don't "deserve" to be on the mortgage/deeds because I didn't save for a deposit, but, as I mentioned above covid happened - which he said was "very convenient"/I asked him to wait a year/ offered to sell my car etc, plus have always paid for half and of course expected him to ring-fence and protect his deposit. Plus, I would never had had the level of his deposit anyway, as I was on an average salary, plus paying half the rent - he is on £100K plus deposit, plus family help - so I would never have had anywhere near what he has put in. Lots of my friends were in similar situations, with someone having a bigger deposit, but people just protect and ring-fence it. I would understand if I was a new partner, or he had had bought the house before he met me, but we have been together so long, planned to buy together (there were extenuating circumstances and he didn't want to wait), and I have always contributed half of everything. In fact, my family live 10 minutes away, his live in the countryside 3 hours away, but he moved to London to work here, so I could have lived with my family down the road and saved if I had known we weren't a partnership/team, as I've spent about £67K in rent/bills living with him for the past 7 years.

I guess I am just posting this, as I don't know if I am crazy and unreasonable really, and just want some opinions please. Should I be paying for half of the mortgage if I am not on the mortgage/deeds? Should I be paying it when the terms have changed, he originally said we would have an agreement that gave me a stake in the house, but now he's saying what I am paying is rent - which tbh is what I think he planned all along, or he would have got the agreement drawn up from the start right? I've paid £13,650 in mortgage payments and for the renovations since we moved in 10 months ago, under the premise that I had a stake in the house and we were getting an agreement drawn up, which didn't materialise, and I've since been told that what I am paying him will be rent. I think, if he had told me this from the start, I would have moved back in with my family to save my own deposit, as I would have felt we weren't a team and he wasn't committed.

If I don't pay his mortgage, then I could save for my own mortgage, my family member is a little better now and I still have both the jobs - so I might be offered a big enough mortgage by the bank as my salary looks better, but I can't keep up both the jobs forever, as I am falling asleep driving home, so it isn't ideal - plus I have no social life and am very tired. Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

Sorry it was so long...

OP posts:
Olios · 22/11/2022 07:36

I only read a few paragraphs but he is the greedy grabby one not you. You sound reasonable and fair. I also don't think it's fair you pay half the mortgage and contribute to house updates, you have no security in the house whatsoever.

SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain · 22/11/2022 09:31

This greedy fucker has decided that feathering his own nest is more important than his relationship with you and that is why he is calling you every name under the sun to try and distract you from what he is doing - so it is windfall, undeserving, controlling. Go and live with your family and start saving for your own future, there is no future for you with this grabby cunt.

altmember · 22/11/2022 09:47

I have a deed of trust defining our share of the property we own together. It cost a couple of hundred to have drawn up, although it was done at the time of purchase and we were both on the mortgage and deeds from the outset.

Ask him to marry you. His reaction to that will make it clear (although his actions far seem pretty clear already).

billy1966 · 22/11/2022 10:18

I think checking out how easy it is to register an interest in the property would be a good idea.

He's taken you for a fool.

Tell him if he doesn't repay EVERY penny you have invested in the property you will register an interest in it.

He will not want this.

Hopefully you will be repaid.

He is and has used you.

He certainly doesn't love you.

You have been used and continue to be.

BodenCardiganNot · 22/11/2022 10:21

Thank your lucky stars you don't have children with him.

BodenCardiganNot · 22/11/2022 10:22

Plus, it just feels really sad that we can't be a team, I've never expected handouts and pay for half. Where does that leave our relationship.

It's not a relationship. He is exploiting and using you.

terryschocolateorangee · 22/11/2022 21:46

Leave, immediately. Stop paying the mortgage.

CB20 · 09/12/2022 00:35

So I stopped paying the mortgage, he asked me a few times why, I tried to explain reasonably in a calm/quiet way, but it descended into him not being have to have a respectful adult conversation (circles/personal jipes/nit picking/rage etc). So wrote a letter instead explaining everything instead and gave it to him when I went to work. I just said why I thought it was unfair, how i have paid 50/50 throughout the relationship. Plus, if he hadn't wanted any agreement from the start, he shouldn't have said that we would get one, as I wouldn't have paid £5k for half the repairs, and I wouldn't have agreed to pay half the mortgage £865, plus bills - £1215 (rooms to rent around here are £800, and I possibly wouldn't have agreed to move in, as I would have realised that I needed to save to buy my own place, and my mum lives down the road where I can live rent free anyway (plus I have spent £60K renting with him, when I could have lived at home). I also said that some couples split things proportionally to salary, but I've always paid 50/50 and if maybe we had done that I would have had more money saved for a deposit - and pointed out that isn't "expecting handouts", other people do that. I also said I would like to know what it means for our relationship, as if you don't want to buy with someone you have been with for a decade seems strange - the only reasons I could come up with are that he doesn't actually want to commit, as he doesn't like/love me, as some people have said on here (if so he should admit that so we can move on and I asked why has he kept me around as that's using someone)- or he genuinely things I'm gold digging - but I literally pay for half of everything and work 2 jobs and have been with him so long paying for half of everything - or that maybe he is controlling, which if that's the case he would need to work on it.

Since I gave the letter he hasn't mentioned anything in the letter at all. Except he has been super nice, really really nice. Making more of an effort. Plus, he hasn't asked for the mortgage payments at all, but hasn't mentioned what the outcome is. All the bills, except the mortgage, come out of my account, so I asked him for half the bills, to try to initiate a convo about it. He just ignored me twice and didn't pay them. So I am guessing he's thinking I will pay the bills and he pays the mortgage. Except it's strange he won't have a convo about it. That would mean I would pay about £700 per month instead of £1215 - however, it still stands that I moved in thinking we were buying a place together with an agreement, and I prob wouldn't have moved in if I knew I was just paying rent - I would have moved back to my mum's. Plus, there is the £5K I put into renovations, plus for 10 months I was paying a total of £1215 which is way more than £700. Plus, I am more concerned what that means about the relationship, it seems a very odd way to be with someone you have been with this long and supposedly love. So still in a confusing place.

I guess i posted here hoping people would tell me I was wrong and unreasonable, as friends/family are biased and take your side anyway, and this whole thing has really upset me, but most people on here seem to think I wasn't wrong in my thinking

OP posts:
CB20 · 09/12/2022 00:39

Can't work out how to edit posts lol:

But wanted to add that I wanted to buy a house with my partner of a decade, not rent a room off him - that feels like something you do with someone you've not been with that long

OP posts:
LexMitior · 09/12/2022 00:44

He is still basically using some of your money in a way, just less.

I do not think he loves you, or sees you as long term. That is why he has been super quiet after your letter. I am sure he is being really nice because he wants you around, but these attitudes he has came from somewhere, it is what he really thinks, and so no, it looks very unlikely you will get your wish to settle down and jointly own a home.

TinFoilHatty · 09/12/2022 00:52

To whom did you pay the 'mortgage' money? The bank? To him?

grandmashotdoodlebugs · 09/12/2022 07:15

Well done. You took a giant leap
of faith. The being super nice is typical of an abuser. He will be really nice as he waits for you to step back into line. He probably can't hold it for very long so watch for red flags - the nit picking type behaviour will creep back in.

He clearly struggled with his communication too. You could suggest he writes back to your letter if he finds words difficult to find. Mind you, in a letter he can love bomb you (google it) so make absolutely sure his actions match his words.

Just sit tight and breath a while. Have a nice Christmas. Make sure he pays for the food! Then you can reconsider everything in the new year.

I also suggest a diary - on your phone perhaps. Note when he is being an arse and over what. Perhaps you'll see a pattern and the regularity of it may surprise you.

Tessabelle74 · 09/12/2022 07:21

Be very, very wary OP! He's being super nice so you eventually go back to doing what you did before. It'll be gradual but I guarantee he'll be a bit short one month, can you just pay it, then before you know it you're paying it every month again. If he still won't talk you, you're definitely just a lodger. Pack your things, move to your mum's and cut your losses.

Tangelablue · 09/12/2022 07:27

He really doesn't like you much does he? Its him who sounds like the money grabber and if you are paying rent then he must view you as a lodger. Dont waste any more time or money on him

Mumsanetta · 09/12/2022 07:35

Falling asleep while driving is incredibly dangerous and selfish. It doesn’t matter that there aren’t a lot of cars on the road, you could still have an accident and kill someone else. It is illegal to drive when you are that tired and is the same drunk driving. If you continue to drive while tired I sincerely hope you are caught by the police and lose your licence because your job and wish to get on the property ladder is not worth someone else’s life.

PauliesWalnuts · 09/12/2022 07:49

He is being nice because he hopes it will all go away and actually anything that you pay for in the house (e.g bills) is something that he won’t have to pay for. The minute you leave there is nobody to share the financial load with.

I’d leave. He doesn’t love you or care about you - he is just using you. If I were you I’d leave before Christmas and move back in with your mum. Set yourself a year to live simply, work on your health and happiness and self-esteem, and squirrel away every spare penny you have for a deposit of your own. And don’t look back.
As a woman who lives on her own I can tell you that there are few nicer feelings than sitting in your own home that you’ve worked hard for to buy.

SomeoneInTheLaaaaaounge · 09/12/2022 07:51

In reality HE is the money grabber. And is using you to fund his mortgage and lifestyle.

RandomMess · 09/12/2022 07:58

You don't need to break up with him (yet) just move back to your Mums and start saving up and you will soon have a nest egg.

Once you move out you'll soon find out where you really stand.

He can get a lodger in to help pay HIS bills.

1Wanda1 · 09/12/2022 08:06

I was once in a vaguely similar situation with a boyfriend who kept saying he wanted to move in together, but somehow the goalposts kept changing. First he was willing to move into my house, then he wanted to get back on the property ladder himself. Fine, I said, I'll sell mine and let's buy a house together. Then he prevaricated about that. After months of this one day he told me he'd just exchanged on a house which he was buying with a family member - that was the first I'd heard he'd been in the process of buying one. The house was a 2.5 hour drive away from me. He then didn't call or text me for a month, after which I emailed him to say our relationship was obviously over and he could collect his stuff. He then went nuts because apparently it was me being unreasonable.

This is weird, controlling behaviour from your partner, who is never going to give you what you want. Cut your losses and start a new life without him now. Don't waste any more time on a man who at best, doesn't share your priorities or values.

Butterfly44 · 09/12/2022 08:24

CB20 · 09/12/2022 00:39

Can't work out how to edit posts lol:

But wanted to add that I wanted to buy a house with my partner of a decade, not rent a room off him - that feels like something you do with someone you've not been with that long

Did you say that to him at the start? Was that the deal, or have you assumed, as that should have been made clear. You are essentially contributing as renting but not under contract. You could have stayed home and just gone to visit/stay over occasionally in that case. Did he invite you to move in? What money discussions were had?
This isn't going away. You aren't married to have any rights. It speaks volumes about your his character and what he think is to your relationship so I would walk away tbh.

pumpkinsareshortlived · 09/12/2022 08:30

He's realised from your letter you have his measure. I'd tell him he needs to be jointly responsible for bills by having them in his name too and that everything except the mortgage (his responsibility) is split....after you've recovered your £5K and previous mortgage payments you made so you are not out of pocket. You will know where you standfrom his reaction.

Personally I'd leave as it's very clear he's using you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/12/2022 08:35

You have been well and truly used here by him and at great cost, not just financial, to you. You will not see that money again and he has taken you for a right fool. He really does think you have MUG written on your forehead.

This earlier comment you made is another red flag amongst so very many re him:
" He went into a finance career and was soon on double, then triple what I was earning, but we still split everything 50/50"

Now he is doing the nice part of the nice/nasty cycle of abuse which is a continuous one. The relationship is over in any case so start the process of rebuilding your life along with returning to your mother's.

whoareyouinviting · 09/12/2022 08:40

This post gives me the rage towards your partner. He has been utterly selfish and non committal to you. Please don't stay with this person as he will ruin your life when he doesn't marry you and you are left unable to have kids. Please take control over your life.

whoareyouinviting · 09/12/2022 08:43

It's disgusting what he has done to you :-(

cantba · 09/12/2022 08:49

Your not married. He has put £100k in. Why should he put you on the deeds. Its right you pay rent imo. I would be asking for the home improvement money back though.

You have bigger relationship issues though. I can't see this going the distance but im totally unclear why you think you are due a chunk of his money. If you take the share you have been paying, is it more or less than market rent?

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